MJS Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: It's not my job to figure out who up and coming coaches to get. All I know is McD has taken this team as far as he can. His defense has played the same every playoff with the same results. My thoughts are many are afraid if McD goes the Bills go back to being irrelevant. I legitimately believe McDermott is a really good coach and I would be bummed to lose him. That day might come eventually, but I have always been a fan of McDermott. The defense lacks talent and difference makers. And previous years had key injuries in the playoffs. Edited February 12 by MJS 1 Quote
jaybeezee Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, MJS said: I legitimately believe McDermott is a really good coach and I would be bummed to lose him. That day might come eventually, but I have always been a fan of McDermott. The defense lacks talent and difference makers. And precious years had key injuries in the playoffs. Not true... we had all pros and problems on defense, along with a prime Diggs and Josh balling out and still lost because of McD and his soft zone defense. His loyalist will argue that he has learned but he hasn't and it shows every year. 2 2 1 2 1 4 Quote
Don Otreply Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 hours ago, MJS said: I legitimately believe McDermott is a really good coach and I would be bummed to lose him. That day might come eventually, but I have always been a fan of McDermott. The defense lacks talent and difference makers. And previous years had key injuries in the playoffs. I agree with you for the most part, but the scheme hasn’t worked well against top teams, it imo, needs to be adjusted / tweaked / changed in some way, we give up easy yards way to frequently, that is my beef with Sean’s scheme, Always hoping for the best 🤞 Quote
MJS Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I agree with you for the most part, but the scheme hasn’t worked well against top teams, it imo, needs to be adjusted / tweaked / changed in some way, we give up easy yards way to frequently, that is my beef with Sean’s scheme, Always hoping for the best 🤞 I think we need better players. But yeah, they need to continue to evolve the scheme. And they have been. They ran a lot more man this year and blitzed more. They ran that odd mirror defense with Milano spying that was extremely effective against Denver and Baltimore in the playoffs. That was a really nice scheme. A good pass rusher would really go a long way... 1 1 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 57 minutes ago, MJS said: I think we need better players. But yeah, they need to continue to evolve the scheme. And they have been. They ran a lot more man this year and blitzed more. They ran that odd mirror defense with Milano spying that was extremely effective against Denver and Baltimore in the playoffs. That was a really nice scheme. A good pass rusher would really go a long way... He's had 8 years to build the defense and scheme that he wants. Why doesn't it take good defensive coaches anywhere close to that long to do that? And you're always going to have some injuries. McDermott has let us down in the biggest games in every single postseason. He and his side of the ball have never pulled their weight. It's fine if you like the guy, but it's the objective truth that his side of the ball has been a big letdown in his time here. 1 2 2 2 Quote
MJS Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: He's had 8 years to build the defense and scheme that he wants. Why doesn't it take good defensive coaches anywhere close to that long to do that? And you're always going to have some injuries. McDermott has let us down in the biggest games in every single postseason. He and his side of the ball have never pulled their weight. It's fine if you like the guy, but it's the objective truth that his side of the ball has been a big letdown in his time here. What specifically would you change with the scheme and what specifically do you think the issues are? Or play calling, etc? Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 1/26/2025 at 7:07 PM, Monty98 said: Look I get it, McDermott has been a great coach and person for the community. But at what point are his short comings in big time games more his flaw vs just bad luck? Tony Dungy couldn't get it done in Tampa, left got Gruden and won, and even then Dungy was all world regular season but couldn't win the big game in Indy outside of one-year. For a coach who's scheme and learning was under Jim Johnson in Philly and the vaunted Double A gap formation, he's had some really sub par defensive performances. We all know KC runs spinner roll out right in big moments and we don't have a defensive play call to stop it. Where as KC knows Allen rolls out right in big moments or tries to sneak left...KC had their defense ready for both. I get it, this is frustration of falling short again, but at some point we need to buck the trend of falling short in KC again and again and again We’re not losers. We win 10+ games every year. We’ve been Super Bowl favorites enough times to know McDermott isn’t capitalizing even when he’s had the horses. There are coaches who take very good teams and apply the finishing touches. Listen if he’s going to stick around after 13 seconds, all the game clock/timeout/red flag blunders, losing to the Chiefs FOUR STRAIGHT PLAYOFF GAMES (his little four falls) then what are we even talking about here?? 😫 Okay, I’ll tell you what. As long as Beane is the GM, he ain’t firing McDermott and TP is not keeping Beane over McDermott unless they have some Romero and Juliet thing going on. Beane has to go, if we want a HC that can get it done. . We match up better against the Eagles, than the Chiefs. The fact that McDermott cannot even make a dent against KC (do they ever looked bothered playing against us for enough of the game for us to capture the moment..??) in the playoffs and he’s still the coach five years after losing to them for the first time in the playoffs… Something other than McDermott has to change for McDermott to be gone. We are holding on too tight. Gotta let him go. Gotta let him go. 1 1 Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted February 13 Posted February 13 McDermott brings: stability culture winning defense… except when it matters 🙄 even though we can see his deficiencies, I know in my heart of hearts the guy wants it, and he wants it for the City of Buffalo and all Bills fans. He’s an undeniable homer and I love him for that. McDermott lacks: Can’t beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. We’re at the point where this will be on his headstone unless JA17 bails his ass out once and for all time. For whatever reason, Beane can’t draft ‘em and McDermott can’t make ‘em great. I’ll put that on Beane, but we better not waste a talent like Garrett because McDermott simply can’t come off his prejudicial pre snap, pre game, pre season, pre draft, pre everything defensive system. He needs to be more fluid, and maybe that will allow for players to ball, and ballers to come here to ball out. Maybe <— I don’t like having to ask this question eight years on in a coach’s tenure. We’re not running a charity here, pal. 1 Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted February 13 Posted February 13 He talks too much like a defensive coach. Like, ummmmm, he never sounds like he knows exactly what’s going on offensively. Just be complimentary so my ailing defensive doesn’t give up 40.. I don’t know if this is the case or not. Anyone else get that? Belichick was a defensive guru, and he never seemed deficient in comprehending other areas of the team. McDermott lets screwy offensive things happen, he lets screwy special teams things happen. He lets screwy clock things happen. He lets screwy timeout things happen. He lets screwy challenge flag things happen. He lets screwy defensive things happen like 13 seconds and giving up ten yards a pop to the Chiefs in the AFCCG (just replay this game to see how bad he can be). Belichick has control over all these things. He was always talking to Tom when needed. When McDermott talks to Allen in/game all he ever does is scare him into thinking Complimentary Football To replace McDermott, I’d go to the great QBs who are willing to talk and ask them for an hour and pick their brains about their head coach experiences. Then I’d compare notes after doing the same with Josh. See what you find… 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13 Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: He talks too much like a defensive coach. Like, ummmmm, he never sounds like he knows exactly what’s going on offensively. Just be complimentary so my ailing defensive doesn’t give up 40.. I don’t know if this is the case or not. Anyone else get that? Belichick was a defensive guru, and he never seemed deficient in comprehending other areas of the team. McDermott lets screwy offensive things happen, he lets screwy special teams things happen. He lets screwy clock things happen. He lets screwy timeout things happen. He lets screwy challenge flag things happen. He lets screwy defensive things happen like 13 seconds and giving up ten yards a pop to the Chiefs in the AFCCG (just replay this game to see how bad he can be). Belichick has control over all these things. He was always talking to Tom when needed. When McDermott talks to Allen in/game all he ever does is scare him into thinking Complimentary Football To replace McDermott, I’d go to the great QBs who are willing to talk and ask them for an hour and pick their brains about their head coach experiences. Then I’d compare notes after doing the same with Josh. See what you find… From 2024: 9-men on the field for the final punt against LA The timeout called at the end of the Rams game 3 passes verses 3 runs at the end of the Texans game The Hail Mary defense against the Jets that made that game a nail biter all the way to the end 1 Quote
Cray51 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: From 2024: 9-men on the field for the final punt against LA - Smiley was fired because of this stuff - which are Smiley's issues The timeout called at the end of the Rams game - Fair 3 passes verses 3 runs at the end of the Texans game - Joe Brady calls the offense The Hail Mary defense against the Jets that made that game a nail biter all the way to the end - Babich calls the defense Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: McDermott brings: stability culture winning defense… except when it matters 🙄 even though we can see his deficiencies, I know in my heart of hearts the guy wants it, and he wants it for the City of Buffalo and all Bills fans. He’s an undeniable homer and I love him for that. McDermott lacks: Can’t beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. We’re at the point where this will be on his headstone unless JA17 bails his ass out once and for all time. For whatever reason, Beane can’t draft ‘em and McDermott can’t make ‘em great. I’ll put that on Beane, but we better not waste a talent like Garrett because McDermott simply can’t come off his prejudicial pre snap, pre game, pre season, pre draft, pre everything defensive system. He needs to be more fluid, and maybe that will allow for players to ball, and ballers to come here to ball out. Maybe <— I don’t like having to ask this question eight years on in a coach’s tenure. We’re not running a charity here, pal. There is another narrative building. 13 seconds happened. But since then Josh Allen had a terrible game vs Cincinnati and had the ball last failing to take the lead vs KC twice. Thats 3 straight years. So yeah, the defense isn’t good enough, but that’s not the only story. Edited February 13 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Quote
cgg716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 20 hours ago, MJS said: I legitimately believe McDermott is a really good coach and I would be bummed to lose him. That day might come eventually, but I have always been a fan of McDermott. The defense lacks talent and difference makers. And previous years had key injuries in the playoffs. The defense is built EXACTLY the way McDermott prefers, the scheme is what's lacking 18 minutes ago, Cray51 said: So all of your excuses point to him being an hc that does absolutely nothing. So we'll be fine without him Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13 Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, Cray51 said: Yes Cray - again not burning a pitchfork here, just some of the weird issues that came up this season as the @Thrivefourfive post originally talked about weird things that happen. Also, you pin this on his assistants - it should be noted McDermott is the HEAD coach. Quote
Gregg Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I know nothing will happen for 2025 but if next year is another year where the defense gets destroyed AGAIN in the playoffs then the Bills either need to think about replacing McDermott or bring in a DC from outside the organization and give him total control to run the defense. What the Bills have been doing hasn't been working and it really shows at the most important times in January. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 13 Posted February 13 22 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: It's not my job to figure out who up and coming coaches to get. All I know is McD has taken this team as far as he can. His defense has played the same every playoff with the same results. My thoughts are many are afraid if McD goes the Bills go back to being irrelevant. Because there's a very high probability that if a new coach comes in, the team will get worse, maybe not irrelevant, but worse. The new coach of the Jets or Jax could come in and win 5 more games than last year. That won't happen in Buffalo, extremely unlikely he'd win 4 more or even 3 more as only been done twice in think I read last 50 years to go 16-1. There's many more opportunities to get worse compared to improved. Sorry but statistically that's just the reality of it. 2 Quote
FireChans Posted February 13 Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Because there's a very high probability that if a new coach comes in, the team will get worse, maybe not irrelevant, but worse. The new coach of the Jets or Jax could come in and win 5 more games than last year. That won't happen in Buffalo, extremely unlikely he'd win 4 more or even 3 more as only been done twice in think I read last 50 years to go 16-1. There's many more opportunities to get worse compared to improved. Sorry but statistically that's just the reality of it. I think the goal with a new coach wouldn’t be to go 16-1 or 17-0 but to not lose to KC in the playoffs again. Quote
HappyDays Posted February 13 Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Because there's a very high probability that if a new coach comes in, the team will get worse, maybe not irrelevant, but worse. The new coach of the Jets or Jax could come in and win 5 more games than last year. That won't happen in Buffalo, extremely unlikely he'd win 4 more or even 3 more as only been done twice in think I read last 50 years to go 16-1. There's many more opportunities to get worse compared to improved. Sorry but statistically that's just the reality of it. I'll agree the regular season results could turn out worse, but the playoff result really could not. I keep repeating myself on this - we have never made KC punt more than twice in our playoff matchup. This last game they spent the 1st half moving the ball at will on 4 consecutive drives, and the only reason they didn't score a TD on one of those was Mahomes randomly dropping the ball. It is impossible to do any worse than that. The way that Mahomes looks against just about every other playoff defense is starkly different from how he looks against us year after year. 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'll agree the regular season results could turn out worse, but the playoff result really could not. I keep repeating myself on this - we have never made KC punt more than twice in our playoff matchup. This last game they spent the 1st half moving the ball at will on 4 consecutive drives, and the only reason they didn't score a TD on one of those was Mahomes randomly dropping the ball. It is impossible to do any worse than that. The way that Mahomes looks against just about every other playoff defense is starkly different from how he looks against us year after year. Am I going crazy or was McDermott .500 through 8 weeks just a season ago and had to pull a rabbit out of his hat to get the team to 11-6? not saying it was bad, but is that really an upper echelon of regular season success that is difficult to replicate with the best QB in football? 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Am I going crazy or was McDermott .500 through 8 weeks just a season ago and had to pull a rabbit out of his hat to get the team to 11-6? not saying it was bad, but is that really an upper echelon of regular season success that is difficult to replicate with the best QB in football? Yeah I'm sure a lot of head coaches out there could replicate what he's done. In theory yes we could do worse, that's a valid consideration, but at this point it's Super Bowl or bust. We're already not getting to or winning the Super Bowl. So "worse" is kind of meaningless. We'll see what happens. At this point the most likely outcome is we win our division and then lose in the playoffs to a team that punts no more than twice and whose offense looks better than they have all season. McDermott has a chance to rewrite that story. But if that outcome happens again I hope everyone will be on the same page as Allen enters his 30s. The clock is ticking and "it could be worse!" isn't exactly a convincing argument. Edited February 13 by HappyDays 1 Quote
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