Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[tigerthelion]

17 minutes ago, transient said:

This is where I’m at. Whether or not it’s the right thing, he’s not going anywhere. If he truly has a “growth mindset” and if he and Beane are truly introspective about what’s holding this team back then he should find the most innovative DC candidate he can and hire him and then let him run with it, even if it means altering his defensive philosophy to some degree. Anything less at this point in my opinion is just stubborn hubris and will likely ultimately lead to undoing. 

Mcdermott has too much pride for that, unfortunately.  I think that's a big reason why the last two coordinator searches were not real searches at all.  I don't believe there was a concerted effort to find the best candidates.  Rather, they went with inexperienced coaches who were a lot easier to scapegoat.  Bringing in an experienced coordinator would mean briniging in someone who may intimidate Sean Mcdermott or perhaps challenge his  systems.  I don't believe there is room for two big names on the coaching staff.  I don't believe Sean Mcdermott has much flexibility at all in his defensive system.  He's very stubborn.   I know this opinion will not be shared by many, but that doesn't mean it has no merit. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:49 PM by tigerthelion

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Mcdermott has too much pride for that, unfortunately.  I think that's a big reason why the last two coordinator searches were not real searches at all.  I don't believe there was a concerted effort to find the best candidates.  Rather, they went with inexperienced coaches who were a lot easier to scapegoat.  Bringing in an experienced coordinator would mean briniging in someone who may intimidate Sean Mcdermott or perhaps make him insecure that he wasn't in complete control of the team.  I don't believe there is room for two big names on the coaching staff.  Then, maybe the limelight would be shared a bit.  I know this opinion will not be shared by many, but that doesn't mean it has no merit. 

I don't think it's as malicious as you make it. All of us have jobs and many of us have have had a boss who gave us the ownership to live and die by the ideas we had. Which really empowers you to create and be innovative. It gives you ownership and passion towards the results. Then many of us have had a boss who made sure we CC'ed them on every email. Who made us consult them on every decision. Which eventually just makes you feel like you have no authority to make decisions and eventually removes ownership. The difference in those two people is how they're wired. Just because your boss is one way or another doesn't make them a prick or not talented. But one approach leads to innovation and another leads to the status quo. The status quo can be fine if you're Bill Belichick or Andy Reid, but it can also not be fine if your level of ingenuity isn't at that level. Which very few ever will reach while also being able to be the HC of a team. McD is clearly the boss you CC on every email. Which means we will only be as innovative as he is. Which as I said earlier sort of kills his best asset as a potentially great CEO.  

Edited Tuesday at 11:59 PM by Mikie2times

[Buffalo Boy]

   His ass should have been fired after 13 Seconds and send Beane with him!

   He have Josh and Cooke and an O line.

   The rest of this team are JAGS. Some have had a nice season but not a one of them is a HOFer other than Josh. Who has Beane drafted other than Josh who’s a guaranteed HOFer?

    Josh is clearly at the halfway point or worse with the way he plays football.

    McD and Beane have had enough tries. They have both demonstrated their lack of acumen regarding their positions. 
   Add to that the league rigging the damned game and 🤷‍♂️ If we had blown them out it would have been doable but as usual we came out tight and scared. Tight and scared like the HC.

   Every Single Time

   

 

[JohnNord]

The national media is laughing at some of your takes. 
 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The national media is laughing at some of your takes. 
 

 

 

That's rich. Do you recall tagging me like 4 times in this game thread to proclaim how right you were about the Texans defense sucking? Tell me, are we playing in the Super Bowl if we had the Texans defense? Your opinions have aged about as well as an old mans dick. 

 

[TBBills Fan]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:24 PM, SectionC3 said:

Yeah but we have Kaiir Elam running around in the secondary.  I wouldn’t do it either with that magnet patrolling a corner. 

And Douglas who was garbage all year.  

 

Our secondary was filled with replacement level guys

[T.E.]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

If we had blown them out it would have been doable but as usual we came out tight and scared. Tight and scared like the HC.

   Every Single Time

   

 

This is a huge issue. He's got Allen way too worried about turnovers and now JA is playing tenetively. The team always starts flat. They are never aggressive and never proactive about anything. We react to what the other team is doing; we'd rather play to avoid their strengths rather that play to accentuate ours, etc.

 

This is all McDermott. It's maddening to watch. The guy can't even give a locker room speech after a big win without being as uninspiring and milquetoast as humanly possible.

[tigerthelion]

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The national media is laughing at some of your takes. 
 

 

 

So, Dan Orlovsky says it's preposterous to let Mcdermott go and then goes on to talk about how they need an actual, legitimate WR, one or two difference makers in the secondary, and another game changer on defense.  Do you trust Mcdermott and Beane to fill those holes?  Find those difference makers?   You gotta believe that Mcdermott has a big say in the defensive players drafted, at least.  How many game changers on defense has the team drafted or signed in the last eight years?  

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

That's rich. Do you recall tagging me like 4 times in this game thread to proclaim how right you were about the Texans defense sucking? Tell me, are we playing in the Super Bowl if we had the Texans defense? Your opinions have aged about as well as an old mans dick. 

 

🤣 Nice straw man argument Mickie.  When the hill you choose to die on get laughed at by the media, you change the subject.   You’d be a great politician.  
 

When did I say the Bills defense is better than the Texans?  
 

My point is that you’re grandstanding about firing McDermott is getting laughed at by the pros.  Well done 👏👏👏👏

 

Got any more takes?  
 

 

[T.E.]

4 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

So, Dan Orlovsky says it's preposterous to let Mcdermott go and then goes on to talk about how they need an actual, legitimate WR, one or two difference makers in the secondary, and another game changer on defense.  Do you trust Mcdermott and Beane to fill those holes?  Find those difference makers?   You gotta believe that Mcdermott has a big say in the defensive players drafted, at least.  How many game changers on defense has the team drafted or signed in the last eight years?  

We've allocated tons of resources to the defensive line and secondary and both still need a complete overhaul. Can't win that way.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

🤣 Nice straw man argument Mickie.  When the hill you choose to die on get laughed at by the media, you change the subject.   You’d be a great politician.  
 

When did I say the Bills defense is better than the Texans?  
 

My point is that you’re grandstanding about firing McDermott is getting laughed at by the pros.  Well done 👏👏👏👏

 

Got any more takes?  
 

 

I don't have even a remote interest in debating this team with you. You balance arrogance with inaccuracy at a rate that would make Nick Wright blush. 

[JohnNord]

Some more national media dismissing at the “fire McDermott” takes:

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I don't have even a remote interest in debating this team with you. You balance arrogance with inaccuracy at a rate that would make Nick Wright blush. 

You don’t want to debate because you have nothing but emotion and vitriol. That’s why you tried changing the topic and used a pretty gross metaphor in the process.  

[tigerthelion]

That Kevin Cole character referencing defense in support of Mcdermott?  What does the EPA for the defense look like in the playoffs?  Regular season stats are basically meaningless at this point.  Beating up on the Jets, Pats, Jaguars, etc of the world in the regular season means little when facing legitimate offenses in the playoffs. 

 

If nothing significant changes, we will be having this exact same discussion next year.      Maybe that means keeping Mcdermott but making significant changes on defense with scheme and players.   Maybe that means Beane getting help with the draft.  Something has gotta change.  Getting decent players but no difference makers won't get it done.  You need to find some Mcduffies instead of Elams.   Maybe Beane needs to go.  Something has to change.  This status quo is not working. Hanging onto the Epenesas of the world won't get it done.  Cut them loose and get better talent and a better scheme, even if that means cutting guys learning on the job.  There is no time to learn on the job.  

[DuckyBoys]

Well his defense hasn't held a lead ever when it counted at the end and the 13 seconds it possibly the worst end of game collapse ever in playoff history  Guess we run it back next year and it ends again in the divisional or conference championship and we'll rationalize he gets another year to figure it out  This "process" seems to be taking a very long time  I feel like the Bills are in Groundhog Day

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

National media guys, know less about the Bills than the really good fans. I’m not sure how we still don’t get that. Who gives a ***** what any of them say or think about the Bills? They don’t watch anywhere near as much of them as we do. That’s why they all picked other teams to win the division in the offseason. They don’t know the team like we do. The defense is the problem. It’s been for 6 years. The head coach is responsible for that defense. He is a problem. That’s common sense. You want to keep him as the HC for appearances and bring in a total outsider to coach the defense? Fine. I’m ok with that. I just don’t want to waste another year with McDermotts Defense. It’s terrible. It’s not good enough to win and the players on that side of the ball will make no difference. The scheme is horseshit and the coach is either to clueless or stubborn to evolve 

[Dablitzkrieg]

For those of you wishing to move on from McD, who would you want?

[BillMafia716ix]

10 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

For those of you wishing to move on from McD, who would you want?

That’s what I want to know? And what proof is there that the next guy will be better? The last 8 years we’ve been spoiled. Not a lot of teams in the NFL have won as much as the Bills and there are teams with franchise QB’s just like us that are constantly watching our team playing in late January. So whatever McDermott is preaching in the locker room is clearly working 

Edited yesterday at 05:11 AM by BillMafia716ix

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

For those of you wishing to move on from McD, who would you want?

Whoever Pegula's search committee recommends

 

You know, same way they found McDermott.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

Well his defense hasn't held a lead ever when it counted at the end and the 13 seconds it possibly the worst end of game collapse ever in playoff history  Guess we run it back next year and it ends again in the divisional or conference championship and we'll rationalize he gets another year to figure it out  This "process" seems to be taking a very long time  I feel like the Bills are in Groundhog Day

 

The defense is historically atrocious in the playoffs. 

 

In 20 the defense was 16th in pts against , they won 13 games 

 

In 24 the defense was 11th in points against and they won 13 games lol

 

He's dick jaroun with an all time great QB 

 

It's astonishing to me that ppl cant see the distinction 

Edited yesterday at 06:12 AM by Kelly to Allen

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Whoever Pegula's search committee recommends

 

You know, same way they found McDermott.

Is that the same search committee that recommends on the Sabres coaches ?