Coaching thoughts going forward

[tigerthelion]

9 minutes ago, colin said:

 

No one really thinks the GM, who the coach picked after he started who he knew from his old team that never won sh1t, where they also got a bunch of bust of players from by the way, is picking players without big input from MCD 

Apparently,  some people do believe that, as crazy as it sounds. 

[appoo]

Just now, White Linen said:

 

McDermott's defensive lines have been abject failures since he's been here and had to have Lotulelei.  We've been giving him multiple draft picks and free agents, year after year and he can't get it done with any of them.

And I would also point out that prior to the final drive, the Chiefs had what 5 drives? They had 2 scores. One of them off a bogus turnover that deflated the entire team.

 

This loss wasn't neccesarily on the defense. In fact you can argue the D did what it had to do.

 

Reality is that Bills were driving, got a first down in the middle of grinding drive, and if things had gone right, would have resulted in the Bills grabbing an 8 point lead, and likely with Josh having th ball last with a shot at winning it.

 

The Bills D did their ***** jobs. The refs decided the Chiefs get an extra possession in a deflating way 

[BillMafia716ix]

McDermott has a good scheme but his scheme lacks play makers. I feel like he does a good job with what he has but the talent desperately needs to be upgraded and that’s on Beane. 

[OldNMBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Sorry, old fan, you must have fallen asleep. Just trust those of us that actually watched the game.

No, I was having deep flashbacks of old JA

[streetkings01]

2-14-1

 

Thats KC’s record this season if every team that played them scored 29 points. 29 points should’ve been more than enough to beat that team!

 

Bill would’ve been 14-3 using the same formula.

Edited Monday at 04:53 AM by streetkings01

[appoo]

Like if I told you this season was gonna come down to Josh Allen having the ball with 2:30 left and 3 TOs and down 3, in the AFCCG, how would you feel about that?

[MPT]

5 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

No, I was having deep flashbacks of old JA

 

Those are called dreams, old fan. They happen when you fall asleep after the first drive.

[Shortchaz]

7 minutes ago, appoo said:

a bunch of mid level FAs, a late first rounder for Groot, and then a big contract for Von Miller, who tore his ACL 10 games into the contract in the midst of an elite season

Conveniently leave Oliver and epenesa off the list. 

[PBF81]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I'm not hedging anything. And it is 4.30am. I am going to bed. 

 

And BTW, it was that first half that sunk us.  

 

There's one reason for the delta in play of the defense between the two halves.  One.  Same talent.  

 

 

Edited Monday at 04:57 AM by PBF81

[OldNMBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Those are called dreams, old fan. They happen when you fall asleep after the first drive.

LOL, no I was already on my second bucket.

[DC Greg]

1 hour ago, Special K said:

The problem is Andy Reid....name a Defense that consistently shuts him down.

Yeah, Reid is great, but no defense gave up 30 points to them all season… except McDermott’s. Our defense freaking blows and has for years. Forget any BS stats they rack up vs crap teams in the regular season. They have ALWAYS sucked vs the good offenses in the league. They always let down in the biggest moments. It’s sickening.

 

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have not dismissed coaching as a reason we lost. I've been clear on that. 

 

On offense we still lack talent. The guard who wiffed on the critical block? 2nd round pick. The guy who had the critical drop? 1st round pick. The guy who couldn't get open when we needed him to on that drive? 33rd overall pick and oh... to get him we gifted the Chiefs their leading receiver on the day.

 

If people want to pretend those personnel decisions are not a critical fact then go ahead. But they absolutely are. And they are holding us back at the end. When you have an elite Quarterback if you get to that point in an AFCCG - 3 minutes left, with the ball, a touchdown wins it - you are supposed to win. The reason we are not is because in those situations there is not enough around Josh. Scheme goes out of the window at that point. It's about players not plays. And we don't have the horses to get it done.

 

This is where I’m at.  The overall roster was flawed from a talent standpoint.  It’s not like this was a “Super Bowl or Bust” team.  
 

The Bills prepared fans for a reset and that was because they knew they wouldn’t be able to upgrade as many needs as they had.  
 

I kind of felt that the lack of talent was on display today and it definitely caught up with them

[MPT]

1 minute ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

LOL, no I was already on my second bucket.

 

Holy cow. Half asleep and half buzzed. No wonder you can't remember anything.

[colin]

14 minutes ago, appoo said:

And I would also point out that prior to the final drive, the Chiefs had what 5 drives? They had 2 scores. One of them off a bogus turnover that deflated the entire team.

 

This loss wasn't neccesarily on the defense. In fact you can argue the D did what it had to do.

 

Reality is that Bills were driving, got a first down in the middle of grinding drive, and if things had gone right, would have resulted in the Bills grabbing an 8 point lead, and likely with Josh having th ball last with a shot at winning it.

 

The Bills D did their ***** jobs. The refs decided the Chiefs get an extra possession in a deflating way 

 

The d did not.  They allowed mahomes his season high EPA and EPA per drop back.  They sucked balls

[OldNMBillsFan]

Just now, MPT said:

 

Holy cow. Half asleep and half buzzed. No wonder you can't remember anything.

Please do not insult me, half buzzed starts on the 3rd bucket, who do you think I am, a millennial?

[White Linen]

46 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

McDermott has a good scheme but his scheme lacks play makers. I feel like he does a good job with what he has but the talent desperately needs to be upgraded and that’s on Beane. 

 

Oh yes we should really help McDermott and give him more draft picks and free agents on defense.  Especially going up against that loaded Chiefs offensive roster.  Haha

[BuffaloRebound]

48 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

McDermott has a good scheme but his scheme lacks play makers. I feel like he does a good job with what he has but the talent desperately needs to be upgraded and that’s on Beane. 

Mcdermott’s scheme is trash when it counts.  Chiefs marched down the field at will.  Just like last year and against the Bengals and 13 seconds and in the AfC championship game in 2021.  We were lucky to even get them to 3rd down.  Josh and the offense had to convert twice as many 3rd and 4th downs as the Chiefs did. It’s the same story with this conservative undersized soft defense.  Face a good team in the playoffs and they provide zero resistance.  

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

And BTW, it was that first half that sunk us.  

 

There's one reason for the delta in play of the defense between the two halves.  One.  Same talent.  

 

I think you are under a misapprehension that I have defended the defensive performance in that first half in some way. I most definitely have not. I have also said very clearly and pointedly that the initial gameplan was wrong - we tried to play man coverage and we don't have the horses to play an coverage against the speed the Chiefs have. We played a lot of man in week 11, with some success, but they didn't have Hollywood or Pacheco and we did have Benford and Rapp - and we got away with Worthy and Mahomes missing on a critical big play even then where yesterday they hit on one. That is squarely on coaching unless you think me criticising the opening gameplan (on both sides btw I thought the first half plan on offense was wrong too) is a criticism of someone else?

 

All of that is accepted. 

 

But there is a second reason we lost this game - and it is that a whole bunch of the big draft decisions that Brandon Beane has made in recent years and that have no worked out but have been papered over by an MVP style year from Josh and some clever coaching (particularly on offense from Joe Brady) came home to roost. It is Beane himself who always says your last game often reveals your biggest flaws. That is true. And one of them is three botched first rounds in a row and all three of those showed up BIG at critical moments of this game. 

5 hours ago, JohnNord said:

 

This is where I’m at.  The overall roster was flawed from a talent standpoint.  It’s not like this was a “Super Bowl or Bust” team.  
 

The Bills prepared fans for a reset and that was because they knew they wouldn’t be able to upgrade as many needs as they had.  
 

I kind of felt that the lack of talent was on display today and it definitely caught up with them

 

Yea, McDermott may be on the hotseat next year, he may not be, but Brandon Beane darn well needs to be. You don't get to mess up the first round three years in a row when you are in an arms race with the Chiefs and in two of those three years we were fishing in the same pool as them:

 

Both wanted a corner in 2022

Both wanted a receiver in 2024

 

Brandon Beane lost both of those battles. Do I think yesterday goes differently if you flip McDuffie - Elam (who was btw the Chiefs fallback if they missed McDuffie re. The Athletic article a couple of years ago) and Worthy - Coleman? Yes. Yes I do. 

[colin]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think you are under a misapprehension that I have defended the defensive performance in that first half in some way. I most definitely have not. I have also said very clearly and pointedly that the initial gameplan was wrong - we tried to play man coverage and we don't have the horses to play an coverage against the speed the Chiefs have. We played a lot of man in week 11, with some success, but they didn't have Hollywood or Pacheco and we did have Benford and Rapp - and we got away with Worthy and Mahomes missing on a critical big play even then where yesterday they hit on one. That is squarely on coaching unless you think me criticising the opening gameplan (on both sides btw I thought the first half plan on offense was wrong too) is a criticism of someone else?

 

All of that is accepted. 

 

But there is a second reason we lost this game - and it is that a whole bunch of the big draft decisions that Brandon Beane has made in recent years and that have no worked out but have been papered over by an MVP style year from Josh and some clever coaching (particularly on offense from Joe Brady) came home to roost. It is Beane himself who always says your last game often reveals your biggest flaws. That is true. And one of them is three botched first rounds in a row and all three of those showed up BIG at critical moments of this game. 

 

Yea, McDermott may be on the hotseat next year, he may not be, but Brandon Beane darn well needs to be. You don't get to mess up the first round three years in a row when you are in an arms race with the Chiefs and in two of those three years we were fishing in the same pool as them:

 

Both wanted a corner in 2022

Both wanted a receiver in 2024

 

Brandon Beane lost both of those battles. Do I think yesterday goes differently if you flip McDuffie - Elam (who was btw the Chiefs fallback if they missed McDuffie re. The Athletic article a couple of years ago) and Worthy - Coleman? Yes. Yes I do. 

 

do you really think beane handles the drafting and contracts on his own?  he was hired by the HC, who knew him from carolina.  mcd has as much influence as a HC on the roster as any other nfl head coach.  he calls the shots.  he's very very married to his terrible schemes and philosophies, and all the picks scream scheme picks.

 

beane sucks, no argument here, but beane works for mcd, not the other way around.  mcd is calling the shots and the shots suck.  don't you remember getting brown and bease out of retirement to suck in the playoffs in 2022 when shakir rotted on the bench because he's a rookie?  don't you remember getting klien last season while williams rotted on the bench?  do you think beane thought of that on his own?  mcd's finger prints are all over this roster in both who gets picked/signed and who gets burn.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, colin said:

 

do you really think beane handles the drafting and contracts on his own?  he was hired by the HC, who knew him from carolina.  mcd has as much influence as a HC on the roster as any other nfl head coach.  he calls the shots.  he's very very married to his terrible schemes and philosophies, and all the picks scream scheme picks.

 

beane sucks, no argument here, but beane works for mcd, not the other way around.  mcd is calling the shots and the shots suck.  don't you remember getting brown and bease out of retirement to suck in the playoffs in 2022 when shakir rotted on the bench because he's a rookie?  don't you remember getting klien last season while williams rotted on the bench?  do you think beane thought of that on his own?  mcd's finger prints are all over this roster in both who gets picked/signed and who gets burn.

 

I know for a fact from people who have been inside the building that Beane runs the draft and while McDermott definitely has the power of veto in reality he has total faith in Beane to execute. 

 

I disagree on your "terrible schemes and philosophies point" and Shakir wasn't ready as a rookie and Dorian Williams is still up and down as a second year player. Those usage decisions are obviously Sean McDermott's though. That isn't Beane.