Coaching thoughts going forward

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

Better is relative.  They still allowed KC two-thirds of their first game with us in the second half.  

 

 

That's good because it wasn't, in either half.  But for a team who's high in points scored on the season was 30, once, 29 points was more than enough to win it had even an average defense showed up.  

 

 

I think you're missing what I'm saying.  The D allowed the Chiefs to have their best offensive output ALL SEASON.  

 

Carolina did better.  Are we not at least as good as Carolina, who ranked 32nd in D?  
 

Also, 4-0 in the Regular Season, 0-4 in the Postseason.  Same teams each year.  Does much more have to be said.  

 

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is yes, more needs to be said, because that isn't the entire picture. The entire picture is that they had our D again but also that in the key situations they had our O again too. And we have to ask why that is as much as we do anything else.

[PBF81]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is yes, more needs to be said, because that isn't the entire picture. The entire picture is that they had our D again but also that in the key situations they had our O again too. And we have to ask why that is as much as we do anything else.

 

Great question.  So why?  

 

You've dismissed coaching based upon your reactions and statements.  So what is it?  And please don't say because we don't have the talent.  For the umpteenth time, we performed worse than many bottom 10 defense, which also clearly aren't loaded with talent. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Exactly.  This train is driven by Allen and Beane whom drafted him.  McDermott isn't doing his part.  Hence none of his defensive coaches are getting HC interviews.  

 

He's a good coach but he's not the one to beat the Chiefs.  He can't do it.  It's not that Josh can't do it or Beane isn't getting him good enough players.  He can't get it done.

 

I dispute that it isn't Beane. I think it very much is Beane not getting him enough good players.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Exactly.  This train is driven by Allen and Beane whom drafted him.  McDermott isn't doing his part.  Hence none of his defensive coaches are getting HC interviews.  

 

He's a good coach but he's not the one to beat the Chiefs.  He can't do it.  It's not that Josh can't do it or Beane isn't getting him good enough players.  He can't get it done.

Nah beane is getting him dog ***** players.

 

Josh almost won MVP because this team is largely ass. 
 

Our #1 WR tonight was a better version of Marcus Easley. Rousseau was getting pancaked by Kareem Hunt. Von was a ghost. Coleman seems to run fade routes like he’s blocking on run plays. Bishop was a disaster. Elam may have negative trade value. Kincaid is a tweener TE that can’t catch and can’t block.

 

Josh Allen is an all time legendary talent. A 1 of 1 guy, who put together the best season of his career dragging this group of bums to the conference chip. This team is picking top 3 without Josh. I think I’d trade the rest of our entire roster for the Raiders roster tomorrow.

Edited Monday at 04:19 AM by FireChans

[White Linen]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea, I do. The coaching wasn't faultless tonight. Not at all. Too cute on both sides of the ball first half. Not enough Cook and too much man coverage. But made good halftime adjustments and helped us get back in the game. 

 

I think Elam being a liability, Kincaid's drops (two but obviously the big one at the end) and the Worthy - Coleman misstep all contributed pretty significantly to the outcome because of plays they did or didn't make. That is the last three years of first round decision making and in the biggest game of the year it looks like all those decisions were wrong.

 

Well it's widely speculated McD loved Elam, so I suppose he got what he wanted.  That was also when many picks were used on his side of the ball.  I've acknowledged Worthy vs Coleman in another thread but to me that also circles back to coaching.  It's time for a different philosophy, IMO.  I doubt you think with 3-4 better roster choices, McD takes down Reid.  

[Bangarang]

I honestly put more blame on Beane than McD. Aside from Josh, it's not an overly talented roster. 

 

I was kinda hoping Brady got poached by the Saints. I'm just not a huge believer in his ability to consistently create mismatches with his scheme and play calling. I think he relies way too much on Josh putting his body on the line. 

[White Linen]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I dispute that it isn't Beane. I think it very much is Beane not getting him enough good players.

 

That's because you're an amateur talent evaluater and that's your bias.  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Great question.  So why?  

 

You've dismissed coaching based upon your reactions and statements.  So what is it?  And please don't say because we don't have the talent.  For the umpteenth time, we performed worse than many bottom 10 defense, which also clearly aren't loaded with talent. 

 

I have not dismissed coaching as a reason we lost. I've been clear on that. 

 

On offense we still lack talent. The guard who wiffed on the critical block? 2nd round pick. The guy who had the critical drop? 1st round pick. The guy who couldn't get open when we needed him to on that drive? 33rd overall pick and oh... to get him we gifted the Chiefs their leading receiver on the day.

 

If people want to pretend those personnel decisions are not a critical fact then go ahead. But they absolutely are. And they are holding us back at the end. When you have an elite Quarterback if you get to that point in an AFCCG - 3 minutes left, with the ball, a touchdown wins it - you are supposed to win. The reason we are not is because in those situations there is not enough around Josh. Scheme goes out of the window at that point. It's about players not plays. And we don't have the horses to get it done.

[White Linen]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I honestly put more blame on Beane than McD. Aside from Josh, it's not an overly talented roster. 

 

I was kinda hoping Brady got poached by the Saints. I'm just not a huge believer in his ability to consistently create mismatches with his scheme and play calling. I think he relies way too much on Josh putting his body on the line. 

 

I'd squint to see who McD would've picked next to run the offense.

[bouds]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

I honestly put more blame on Beane than McD. Aside from Josh, it's not an overly talented roster. 

 

I was kinda hoping Brady got poached by the Saints. I'm just not a huge believer in his ability to consistently create mismatches with his scheme and play calling. I think he relies way too much on Josh putting his body on the line. 

 

I have to agree here.  We have too many first round selections not doing enough, Greg R the most consistent of the bunch.  Very little talent between the ends on the DL. 

 

We have some decent pass catchers, but too often when we intend to run they are not on the field, they just roll with Coleman/Hollins because they're good blockers which I understand but boy down the stretch it seemed predictable and it makes any playaction predictable. 

 

Coaches can do a better job, but for sure the front office hasn't hit enough.

[appoo]

didn't really have an issue with the coaching. Almost all the issues came down to the chiefs having better players on both sides.

[Governor]

There’s been so many huge whiffs on offense by Beane. There doesn’t seem to be much room for growth from Kincaid or Coleman. You can see they don’t have it at all. A rookie 1st round WR should not be totally invisible week after week. He doesn’t even have great size. There’s nothing you can point to and say he looks promising.

 

Then there’s the defensive whiffs. 

Edited Monday at 04:26 AM by Governor

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, colin said:

I'd take the guy the cowboys just let go over MCD.  He has a ring and got a dumpster fire in Dallas to compete.

 

Beane should go too.

 

Zero wr talent w the best QB, right ends suck, we got away from the run, d is constantly cheeks.

 

How can a team hope to win a chip over KC with flipping babbich and Brady as coordinators?  These guys are chumps, no resume for either of them.

McCarthy blows.  That would be a downgrade. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

That's because you're an amateur talent evaluater and that's your bias.  

 

No it's not. It is because of the evidence on the field tonight. His guys made the critical mistakes. 

 

1st round corner who can't play

1st round pass catcher who can't catch

2nd round blocker who whiffed on the key block

33rd overall receiver invisible while the guy we gave them goes off.

 

That isn't bias. Those are objective facts.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

In may humble opinion,  McDermott has become Marty Schottenhiemer(sp) is it unfortunately time to move on???

 

GO BILLS !!!

compare Sean’s postseason record to Marty.  No contest

[Nephilim17]

I think McDermott is a good but not great coach. He's a defensive specialist but our defense cannot stop our greatest adversary in the playoffs. 

Is drafting and FA partly to blame — meaning we don't have enough talent? Sure, but I don't buy for a second that Beane drafts players and signs FAs without Sean's input and direction. 
 

We probably have seen more of Josh's prime years than we will see going forward. I don't know who the replacement should be but I have little faith that McDermott can beat Reid in the playoffs.

[GoBills808]

 

1 minute ago, appoo said:

didn't really have an issue with the coaching. Almost all the issues came down to the chiefs having better players on both sides.

I had a big problem w the coaching when the Mahomes rollout to the right was completely unstoppable for some reason and we got shut down on 4th and 1 like five times

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No it's not. It is because of the evidence on the field tonight. His guys made the critical mistakes. 

 

1st round corner who can't play

1st round pass catcher who can't catch

2nd round blocker who whiffed on the key block

33rd overall receiver invisible while the guy we gave them goes off.

 

That isn't bias. Those are objective facts.

let's stop pretending like Worthy is some wholly superior artifact to Coleman. One is being put into positions to succeed and the other isn't

[White Linen]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

There’s been so many huge whiffs on offense by Beane. There doesn’t seem to be much room for growth from Kincaid or Coleman. You can see they don’t have it at all. A rookie 1st round WR should not be totally invisible week after week. He doesn’t even have great size.

 

Then there’s the defensive whiffs. 

 

They could be Whiffs and it could be the HC rarely turns a draft pick into an excellent player.

[FireChans]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

 

I had a big problem w the coaching when the Mahomes rollout to the right was completely unstoppable for some reason and we got shut down on 4th and 1 like five times

FWIW we were 4/5 on 4th and short lol

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

 

let's stop pretending like Worthy is some wholly superior artifact to Coleman. One is being put into positions to succeed and the other isn't

 

One can separate. The other can't.