Coaching thoughts going forward

[colin]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I know for a fact from people who have been inside the building that Beane runs the draft and while McDermott definitely has the power of veto in reality he has total faith in Beane to execute. 

 

I disagree on your "terrible schemes and philosophies point" and Shakir wasn't ready as a rookie and Dorian Williams is still up and down as a second year player. Those usage decisions are obviously Sean McDermott's though. That isn't Beane. 

 

look, beane sucks.  i get that, he's shown it.  he lucked out in the biggest way when denver and the jets passed on 17 (and i suppose clevland too).  mcd as you said has veto power in the draft, that means he is in control.  if he has total faith in beane, it means he gets final say and he trusts a guy who consistently has a roster with bad bad contracts and zero speed on either side of the ball.  

 

shakir isn't some top talent, and won't ever be.  as a rookie he was a better player than bease or brown who were out of football.  williams is not a smart lb and looks worse being bad in coverage than our other linebackers, who look a bit better while being bad in coverage, but aj klien was 100% certain to suck when he was brought in out of retirement.

 

if mcd makes the roster decisions himself (which he clearly did w shakir vs the corpses, or williams vs the other corpse) or if he gets final say and doesn't use it (as you say on the draft) he's still the man in charge and he stinks.  mcd has shown bad judgement on who he defers to, and bad judgement when he's clearly calling the shots.  he's a runt himself and loves his runt azz players like the out of retirement guys above, hamlin, peterman, and way past due von and star and dq jones.  feel good charity moves like extending hyde/poyer, knox, and even the diggs (just a shocking shocking extension for a 30 year old wr who isn't big or fast and had a history of locker room disruption) one shows fear and an unwillingness to make moves for change.  kc let hill go for value and rebuilt their entire roster after their what, 4th consecutive afc chip game?  we haven't made a move for a real veteran coordinator or a strong push to add talent (which means letting go of people who don't get it done) after 5 consecutive bad playoff beats on the back of woat level defensive play.

 

in a normal organization, the buck stops w the gm and if he doesn't make necessary coaching changes you can the gm and the coach.  in ours, mcd is the man in charge and he obviously won't make the gm changes, and his side of the ball has consistently been historically bad in the playoffs.  if you have a front office structure where it's unclear who to blame for the bad moves then the fix is to remove the front office because they have created a bad losing structure.

 

im not disagreeing with your main point that beane is dogwater, he's a fool and he sucks.  im saying removing him is a half measure, and we need to make a full one.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I watched slow JuJu Smith Schuster shake our best CB on the field in man coverage for a huge catch and run in crunch time.

 

All I see are coaching threads.

[Turbo44]

What’s the over/under for smiley getting fired. Horrific ST year ending with another subpar performance last night

[Kirby Jackson]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think Beane has been skating far too long personally. This game was like his personal referendum.

 

Send them both packing to turn Carolina back into a Wild card team. That’s what they are really good at.

I’m good with it. Last year’s draft looks awful so far. You got a depth WR that’s never open and a safety that has no idea what he’s doing. The year before you got a rotational TE and the year before that a corner that can’t play. Beane has been good with the middle and back of the roster but failed at the top.

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m good with it. Last year’s draft looks awful so far. You got a depth WR that’s never open and a safety that has no idea what he’s doing. The year before you got a rotational TE and the year before that a corner that can’t play. Beane has been good with the middle and back of the roster but failed at the top.

I have a major issue with the fact that Elam was a first round draft pick who was never trusted to be on the field from the start. That rarely happens with a first round corner. Yet this regime allowed him to be one injury away from playing in a conference championship game. It doesn’t make sense to me. 

[Fan in Chicago]

I didn't want to post yesterday as I was just too depressed like all of you. The unhappiness stems from knowing that Mahomes isn't going anywhere and with this staff, we won't get past him and Reid. 

As I couldn't sleep well, a thought came to mind. (Apologies if already mentioned in this thread). 

Would you fire McD and promote Brady to HC? We would have the offensive minded HC some of us want. I agree that it doesn't solve the problem of drafting badly at the top of the drafts. But at least Brady may influence the GM into investing better in receiving talent 

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, saundena said:

He's a good coach. But....

 

I don't know what else to say.  We can't win in big moments.  We should have been going for XP instead of 2pt and on that 4th down where we didn't convert, that should have been a FG.  The Chiefs were ready for every short yardage play.  For crying out loud; can't we try running it to the right once?

 

McDermott was ok on this game, not great, but Spags took Brady to the woodshed.

 

KC has had a horseshoe shoved up their ass all years.  In retrospect, this outcome was not surprising 

 

 

Andy Reid took McDermott/Babich to the woodshed 

Can we trade for Mike Tomlin?? He showed that he can win a Super Bowl with a good/great QB and average defense.🤷

[zman44]

The chiefs are a dynasty bc of Mahomes, Reid and Spags.   Spags owned Brady as much as Reid owned McD.  They were perfectly prepared for the sneaks, putting Jones in the gap Allen always goes to and having the Bills cadence down to a T.   The most important play of the game, they blitzed 5 with 4 coming off the D left side where Allen always scrambles to his right.  It was a masterclass of coaching all around and the Bills didn’t have a single counter punch prepared.

Edited January 27 by zman44

[YodaMan79]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I watched slow JuJu Smith Schuster shake our best CB on the field in man coverage for a huge catch and run in crunch time.

 

All I see are coaching threads.

How about that awful angle Hamlin took on the first drive?  Douglas can only play zone and I'm not sure what Hamlin can actually do.  Our best player in the secondary can't be a nickel corner. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, YodaMan79 said:

How about that awful angle Hamlin took on the first drive?  Douglas can only play zone and I'm not sure what Hamlin can actually do.  Our best player in the secondary can't be a nickel corner. 

I’ll send this to Brandon Beane and McDermott. It’s sad that they developed Elam into a soft CB because he was supposed to be exactly what we’re missing. A physical man CB. Watching him bail out all night made me sad.

 

 

[YodaMan79]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’ll send this to Brandon Beane and McDermott. It’s sad that they developed Elam into a soft CB because he was supposed to be exactly what we’re missing. A physical man CB. Watching him bail out all night made me sad.

 

 

Can you send him the breakdown for TEs under the age of 24, DTs and DEs while you're at it?  It would be a great favor for all of us. 

 

I had no idea Kincaid was a man playing against boys in college.

Edited January 27 by YodaMan79

[Coach Tuesday]

They lack team speed more than anything else.  They just haven’t prioritized it.

[YodaMan79]

Do we have a Dan Reeves situation here?  

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think you are under a misapprehension that I have defended the defensive performance in that first half in some way. I most definitely have not. I have also said very clearly and pointedly that the initial gameplan was wrong - we tried to play man coverage and we don't have the horses to play an coverage against the speed the Chiefs have. We played a lot of man in week 11, with some success, but they didn't have Hollywood or Pacheco and we did have Benford and Rapp - and we got away with Worthy and Mahomes missing on a critical big play even then where yesterday they hit on one. That is squarely on coaching unless you think me criticising the opening gameplan (on both sides btw I thought the first half plan on offense was wrong too) is a criticism of someone else?

 

Good post, thanks!  Now to your points.  

 

You say all of that as if Pacheco was more than an average RB, or Hunt, or Smith-Shuster more than an average WR, Worthy more than a role-playing rookie WR, Hopkins and Kelce more than washed up as receivers with the latter on the cusp of retirement, or Brown anything beyond average.  

 

Their leading WR on the season ranked 60th in receiving.  Kelce ranked 4th among receiving TEs, down about 30% in both YPR and receiving yards from prior years.  It's not like we were up against Detroit's offense or the Rams etc.  This offense on the season was patently average, in both skill-position talent and as a whole.  Except in this game of course where they were made to look like the Chiefs' offenses of the recent past.  

 

 

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

But there is a second reason we lost this game - and it is that a whole bunch of the big draft decisions that Brandon Beane has made in recent years and that have no worked out but have been papered over by an MVP style year from Josh and some clever coaching (particularly on offense from Joe Brady) came home to roost. It is Beane himself who always says your last game often reveals your biggest flaws. That is true. And one of them is three botched first rounds in a row and all three of those showed up BIG at critical moments of this game. 

 

Here's the thing with that take, Carolina, the league's 32nd (DFL) ranked Defense, held KC to 30 points.  We allowed more points, more 1st-Downs, comparable total yards, all but identical passing yards, and only marginally fewer rushing yards, and also similar drive lengths.  

 

So is your argument that our talent on D is no better than Carolina's then?  

 

Also, what's your explanation, apart from an average RB Pacheco having been out, and a couple of other routine things otherwise mentioned above, for why the Chiefs only put up about 2/3 of what they did in this game in the first matchup?  Surely Benford and Rapp having been present doesn't account for the Chiefs putting up nearly twice the rushing yards from that first game to this one.  

 

 

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Yea, McDermott may be on the hotseat next year, he may not be, but Brandon Beane darn well needs to be. You don't get to mess up the first round three years in a row when you are in an arms race with the Chiefs and in two of those three years we were fishing in the same pool as them:

 

Both wanted a corner in 2022

Both wanted a receiver in 2024

 

Brandon Beane lost both of those battles. Do I think yesterday goes differently if you flip McDuffie - Elam (who was btw the Chiefs fallback if they missed McDuffie re. The Athletic article a couple of years ago) and Worthy - Coleman? Yes. Yes I do. 

 

To start, McDermott may be on the hotseat with fans and media, but he'll never be on the hotseat with Pegula, at least not until there's a season or two under our feet in the new stadium, but as some have pointed out, Allen will be 31 or older by then.  

 

But otherwise, it's naive to think that given how the hiring process in bringing Beane on board, that McDermott has no significant say in which players Beane drafts.  He's on record as telling his OC's what he wants and expects from them.  The whole "everyone eats" philosophy is driven from the top, obviously.  

 

One last thing, we've essentially mitigated Allen and his passing in the four games prior to this one, a stretch during which he's averaged 17 for 26, for 166 Yards and 1.25 passing TDs.  That's a 25% reduction from his season average in passing yards, and about a 40% reduction in his season average in passing TDs.  Maybe he was a little rusty in going from game-manager to big-time arm passing QB.  Just a thought there.  But that's the risk you take when you embark on such a strategy, aka run first.  

 

But it's no secret that from the top we favor the rushing game.  It's obviously a philsophical difference in the argument over whether or not it's better to take a generationally talented QB with arguably the strongest arm that the NFL's ever seen, and turn him into an "everyone eats" game-managing QB as he's largely been this season apart from his rushing, with approximately a 20% reduction in his passing metrics over the past four seasons on average.  

 

The counter of course is to not force the square peg into the round hole and make the passing game, given that circumstance, the focal point of your offense.  But that's not what our version of complimentary football is.  So it's definitely a philosophical difference.  

 

The biggest thing that I would question about our offensive philosophy, is rotating our WRs in/out like we do with our DL-men, and not playing the better WRs (Shakir e.g.) more often and allowing them to get into a rhythm.  Again, that's also part of the "everyone eats" philosophy, which has its flaws as such.  Shakir, our best WR, has barely over a 50% Snap Count.  Coleman, our big hurrah from the draft has about the same.  

 

It definitely raises question as to overall strategy.