Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

Anybody that thinks their is a league wide conspiracy among all the refs to help rig the Super Bowl for the Chiefs to be in it don't have two functioning brain cells.  Dumb is the polite way I can put it.

Who is talking about a league wide conspiracy among all refs? Talk about brain cells! Refs are pawns in a multi-billion dollar conglomerate that is the NFL. They do not make any extra money for having Taylor Swift at the games. 

 

If you think that everything is on the up and up and all of these calls going against us and for the Chiefs are a mere coincidence, more power to ya! It does seem as if milions of fans don't agree, but unlike you; I am not going to resort to name calling or insults. This no matter how short sighted or limited your thinking would appear to be,

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am a small bettor and make 10-15 bets per year, mostly on college but yes; I did make a profit this sesason. How about you?

 

So you’re saying you made small bets on KC for a profit? Because that’s what the question was. It wasn’t a question about your gambling acumen. You seem to believe a rigged system for KC. Which begs the question why ‘small bets’? If it’s really rigged for them and you have profited from that belief, shouldn’t the bets be big and profits substantial?

 

And yes. I did do well this season but it wasn’t because of any rigged systems. Thank you for asking. I know if I am certain of any sporting event outcome because it’s ‘rigged’ I wouldn’t be making small bets. 

[Kelly to Allen]

Gambling in one degree or another infects/corrupts everything and more importantly the perception of everything. It's generally an environment of con artists/ liars/ low quality ppl

 

It's a problem ( even if only in an optics context) and it's something that won't be fruitful and good for sports in the long run. 

 

I think you're naive about the world if you don't think organized crime, corruption etc exist. There are much greater conspiracies that have been proven in history, some very tragic.

 

It's a tale as old as time

 

The NFL needs to get away from it's partnership with legalized gambling. It's just going to get worse imo

 

Just look up on how many of these gambling institutions even came about. It's pretty evil 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[zow2]

I nearly forgot about this beauty of a sequence in the 2023 AFC Championship.  Good thing the sports world never forgets. The Chiefs had their punt unit on the field for gosh sakes.  Then the flag on the next play. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFgErVYyDIf/?igsh=bWMza3c5ZGppdThn

[Bill from NYC]

55 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

 

So you’re saying you made small bets on KC for a profit? Because that’s what the question was. It wasn’t a question about your gambling acumen. You seem to believe a rigged system for KC. Which begs the question why ‘small bets’? If it’s really rigged for them and you have profited from that belief, shouldn’t the bets be big and profits substantial?

 

And yes. I did do well this season but it wasn’t because of any rigged systems. Thank you for asking. I know if I am certain of any sporting event outcome because it’s ‘rigged’ I wouldn’t be making small bets. 

Why are you putting words in my mouth. I'm surprised because you seem really bright. 🤔

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

If you think that everything is on the up and up and all of these calls going against us and for the Chiefs are a mere coincidence, more power to ya! It does seem as if milions of fans don't agree, but unlike you; I am not going to resort to name calling or insults. This no matter how short sighted or limited your thinking would appear to be,

That’s different than a league wide conspiracy right up there that the earth is flat people. I just don’t buy it but get why people think it is which is only a good thing because it hopefully make the product better.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Gambling in one degree or another infects/corrupts everything and more importantly the perception of everything. It's generally an environment of con artists/ liars/ low quality ppl

 

It's a problem ( even if only in an optics context) and it's something that won't be fruitful and good for sports in the long run. 

 

I think you're naive about the world if you don't think organized crime, corruption etc exist. There are much greater conspiracies that have been proven in history, some very tragic.

 

It's a tale as old as time

 

The NFL needs to get away from it's partnership with legalized gambling. It's just going to get worse imo

 

Just look up on how many of these gambling institutions even came about. It's pretty evil 

 

 

 

Look no further than Tim Donaghy and the NBA if people think it’s not POSSIBLE (I never said it was fact) that there is corruption in some form going on behind the scenes and that one ref can’t change an entire game. Dude was able to manipulate an entire 7 game series sending the Lakers to the Finals. I think people just don’t want to believe because it will spoil something they’ve dedicated so much time & money on. I’m not asking people to pick a side, just do your due diligence and look at the facts and statistics. Kind of telling when a team wins 16 straight one score games and 3 SBs without a holding call when there’s holding on nearly every play. Seems we can always win the meaningless games against the Chiefs that ended up having zero effect on the seeding, but continually lose the ones that matter. Every single time. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That’s different than a league wide conspiracy right up there that the earth is flat people. I just don’t buy it but get why people think it is which is only a good thing because it hopefully make the product better.

Sports fixing has gone on since the Chicago White Sox won the World Series. Point shaving was a massive problem for college sports. Fighters have proven to take dives. The NBA had a massive scandal in the 2000s. Oh and the fact Goodell BURNED video tape evidence because it was SO damning that it would’ve demolished the league’s integrity. Why is it so hard to grasp something being at least possible? Unlike the Earth being flat, these things have actually existed across all sports mediums. 

Edited 2 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

They do not make any extra money for having Taylor Swift at the games. 

 

She attracts a demographic previously untargeted by the NFL. More eyes on the screen = more money.

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

 

She attracts a demographic previously untargeted by the NFL. More eyes on the screen = more money.

I agree 100%. I was talking about the refs. I don't think that every single ref is paid off. 

[90sBills]

41 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Why are you putting words in my mouth. I'm surprised because you seem really bright. 🤔

I did? Was I wrong to assumed they were small bets since you said you’re a ‘small bettor’?

If you made substantial gains off your belief that it’s rigged for KC then congrats. It’s hard to imagine how substantial out of the ‘10-15 bets per year’ that you made. Especially when most were on college games. Again, this is from the information you provided. That’s all I’m going off of. You also haven’t definitively answered if you made the profits by betting on KC because of your rigged belief. So I’m not sure where you stand with that.

 

Appreciate you saying I seem bright. But believe me, I not very bright at all. Haha

 

Anyway, I was just curious why you’re so adamant about it being rigged. Especially since you do bet sports. I don’t think the house would appreciate the league rigging it for KC so someone like you could collect profits from it. Now imagine millions of people like you. Vegas would be bankrupted. 

 

[Doc Brown]

16 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Sports fixing has gone on since the Chicago White Sox won the World Series. Point shaving was a massive problem for college sports. Fighters have proven to take dives. The NBA had a massive scandal in the 2000s. Oh and the fact Goodell BURNED video tape evidence because it was SO damning that it would’ve demolished the league’s integrity. Why is it so hard to grasp something being at least possible? Unlike the Earth being flat, these things have actually existed across all sports mediums. 

How many refs are in the league and how would not one of them spill the beans?

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

How many refs are in the league and how would not one of them spill the beans?

How did none of the NBA refs spill the beans on Tim Donaghy

 

But he was the fall of guy .. certainly not the only NBA ref doing what he did 

 

Certainly not

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I did? Was I wrong to assumed they were small bets since you said you’re a ‘small bettor’?

If you made substantial gains off your belief that it’s rigged for KC then congrats. It’s hard to imagine how substantial out of the ‘10-15 bets per year’ that you made. Especially when most were on college games. Again, this is from the information you provided. That’s all I’m going off of. You also haven’t definitively answered if you made the profits by betting on KC because of your rigged belief. So I’m not sure where you stand with that.

 

Appreciate you saying I seem bright. But believe me, I not very bright at all. Haha

 

Anyway, I was just curious why you’re so adamant about it being rigged. Especially since you do bet sports. I don’t think the house would appreciate the league rigging it for KC so someone like you could collect profits from it. Now imagine millions of people like you. Vegas would be bankrupted. 

 

I understand your point, but I'm not exclusively talking about KC covering. I'm saying that the league wanted them in the Super Bowl. Now they are in it and the league will get the extra Taylor Swift fans viewing the game (and the advertisements), so it might not matter as much who wins. 

 

Perhaps I am too cynical. I don't claim to know exactly what is happening. What I do know is that fans across the country (not just Bills Fans) are very suspicious. I'm just posting an opinion.

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

How did none of the NBA refs spill the beans on Tim Donaghy

 

But he was the fall of guy .. certainly not the only NBA ref doing what he did 

 

Certainly not

So you think over 130 refs that compromise at maximum 17 crews a week are working with Goodell to rig the games for the Chiefs because of the Taylor Swift bump?

[ToGoGo]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

So you think over 130 refs that compromise at maximum 17 crews a week are working with Goodell to rig the games for the Chiefs because of the Taylor Swift bump?

You’re creating an extreme straw man to not allow the moderate view to enter. 
 

La Nova is owned by he who shall not be named. Yet they’re all over the Bills and Sabres. Why won’t anybody spill the beans?

 

Because institutions are complex.  

[SinceThe70s]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I understand your point, but I'm not exclusively talking about KC covering. I'm saying that the league wanted them in the Super Bowl. Now they are in it and the league will get the extra Taylor Swift fans viewing the game (and the advertisements), so it might not matter as much who wins. 

 

Perhaps I am too cynical. I don't claim to know exactly what is happening. What I do know is that fans across the country (not just Bills Fans) are very suspicious. I'm just posting an opinion.

 

I think that anyone who dismisses out of hand that something shady may be going on has their head in the sand. At the same time I can readily admit that it's entirely possible they are right.

 

I remember one year in the midst of baseball's steroid era when balls were flying out of the park and MLB claimed it was due to a new manufacturer that was winding the strings in the baseball tighter. Gullible me bought it hook, line and sinker. Roger and the ref associations righteous statements are meaningless to me. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

So you think over 130 refs that compromise at maximum 17 crews a week are working with Goodell to rig the games for the Chiefs because of the Taylor Swift bump?

I never said that 

 

But there's enough money going on and enough low character in America that some refs can take the game into their hands in a game of inches 

 

That's what makes football so great it really is a game of inches 

 

So one down/side judge who is corrupt can impact the game at high leverage situations 

 

A down judge who doesn't call lining up in the neutral zone... And then on the same play has a a yard different than the line judge is highly questionable 

 

NFL referees are the best of the best and you'll see the difference in spots between a high school college and pro game.. a down judge making two errors on one critical play actually shouldn't happen at the NFL level 

 

They can maybe miss one call a game.. certainly not 2 on 1 play that's high school level

[Homelander]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

So you think over 130 refs that compromise at maximum 17 crews a week are working with Goodell to rig the games for the Chiefs because of the Taylor Swift bump?

 

All it takes is one.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Homelander said:

 

All it takes is one.

That's obvious and probable after the Donaghy scandal.  Every ref given the orders by Goodell to rig it for the NFL ratings for Swifties is a bit too much for me though.