Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[stevewin]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Thnx!!

 

Go with the tech tennis uses??

They say they can't use the optical systems as they exist bc bodies etc can interfere.  They definitely should be able to improve the accuracy of the chip so that it can be used - and it can be synced in time to video to determine things like location when knee down etc - it is just a matter of making it a focus and investing in it. Hopefully this will spur that

[ExiledInIllinois]

10 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Spots have been crappy all year long.  One of literally a thousand examples. Week before against Ravens near the end of the game. Josh is tackled at the one. For some reason unbeknownst to anyone, it’s spotted at the two. If it was spotted at the one, maybe tush push TD and no late game theatrics and no onside kick and no Benford concusssion.  

I think what they are doing is, soas NOT to bring out the chain gang... They are ballparking to nearest on field marker.

 

That would make sense, easier to tell if there's a first down and keeps play running smooth.

 

Only hitch is close games.

 

I haven't seen chains out since Miami 2023.

Edited 6 hours ago by ExiledInIllinois

[Buffalo03]

If I'm McDermott, I'm sending this video to the NFL and asking them for an explanation and exposing this

[LabattBlue]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I think what they are doing is, soas NOT to bring out the chain gang... They are ballparking to nearest on field marker.

 

That would make sense, easier to tell if there's a first down and keeps play running smooth.

 

Only hitch is close games.

 

I haven't seen chains out since Miami 2023.

I have mentioned the lack of chain measurements before.  Clearly in an attempt to speed up the game. 
 

Not referring to you, but there is no conspiracy regarding this. Ball spotting is not an exact science.  There will be mistakes made. Unfortunately in this case, it appears to have hurt the Bills more than their opponent. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I have mentioned the lack of chain measurements before.  Clearly in an attempt to speed up the game. 
 

Not referring to you, but there is no conspiracy regarding this. Ball spotting is not an exact science.  There will be mistakes made. Unfortunately in this case, it appears to have hurt the Bills more than their opponent. 

They avoid chains if they spot on the lines, hashes of the well marked field. 

 

Notice line to gain is always ending up on paint.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by ExiledInIllinois

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I have mentioned the lack of chain measurements before.  Clearly in an attempt to speed up the game. 
 

Not referring to you, but there is no conspiracy regarding this. Ball spotting is not an exact science.  There will be mistakes made. Unfortunately in this case, it appears to have hurt the Bills more than their opponent. 

Not blaming you but this kind of decision is a terrible look from the officials, speeding up the game when it is truly a " game of inches" makes everything easier to make the accusation of rigging.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

Also a missed spot, like I have been saying, on 4th Down is as good as a team getting a turnover by fumble.

 

A turnover on downs is a turnover and should be counted as such!

[Big Turk]

48 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Look I'm not a conspiracy theorist. 

 

However, I do have a significant background in ice hockey. Hockey referees miss calls yes, but in general practice there is the infamous even up call. The culture within the hockey world is for the referees to not want to impact outcomes. To keep the games as safe and fair as possible. In the NFL it's something different going on. THE ODDS WOULD APPEAR TO BE ASTRONOMICAL OF GETTING SO MANY CLOSE CALLS TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION. And, some would argue across many games. How does this happen? Is it the NFL philosophy of we have to get it right? Yet they refuse to keep it at only a select group of plays are reviewable and not all plays as some like Belichick wanted. It just seems to easy to say this is just coincidence. WHAT SAY YOU ALL? keep it rational please, the odds really bother me and it's not just Bills/Chiefs games. What the hell is going on?

 

This is exactly what I was saying...it wasn't just on that one 3rd or 4th down play, it was throughout the night.  Nantz was incredulous by the 3rd quarter as to why the refs kept marking the Bills short when he would call first down.  Happened at least 7 or 8 times. Never seen that happen as frequently as that game...it was ridiculous.

[LabattBlue]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

This is exactly what I was saying...it wasn't just on that one 3rd or 4th down play, it was throughout the night.  Nantz was incredulous by the 3rd quarter as to why the refs kept marking the Bills short when he would call first down.  Happened at least 7 or 8 times. Never seen that happen as frequently as that game...it was ridiculous.

So Jim Nantz can tell the spot from a couple hundred feet away instantly.  I’d love to see a video clip of him doing this 7 or 8 times during the game.  
 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

34 minutes ago, stevewin said:

The chips aren't currently used for spots bc they say they are only accurate to 6 inches.  I've commented in multiple threads the NFL needs to invest some of their billions of dollars in annual revenue in perfecting the technology so that it is more accurate and can be used.  They are bringing this on themselves when they don't make full use of eye in the sky to immediately reverse all plays that are obviously wrong, and technology to spot the ball properly 

This was Ryan Fitzpatricks thought as well on his podcast with Whitworth. The point is it shouldn't have even gotten to fourth down on that play.

Edited 6 hours ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Random idea but why not microchip the footballs to help measure how far it was advanced on those tough to judge plays like the tush push? 

[stevewin]

12 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Random idea but why not microchip the footballs to help measure how far it was advanced on those tough to judge plays like the tush push? 

It's been brought up in multiple threads (and above).  The ball currently has a chip that is used for various statistical gathering - but it is only accurate to 6 inches so it is not used for spot location.  Hopefully the NFL invests in improving the technology so it can be accurate enough to be used to spot the ball

Edited 5 hours ago by stevewin

[Big Turk]

37 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

So Jim Nantz can tell the spot from a couple hundred feet away instantly.  I’d love to see a video clip of him doing this 7 or 8 times during the game.  
 

 

 

He has people in his ear...or don't you know how broadcasts work? Also after having done it tens, if not hundreds of thousands of times throughout his career calling games, pretty sure he should be mostly accurate with those...at least in every other game I have heard him or any other announcer call they have been.  Not this game.

Edited 5 hours ago by Big Turk

[LabattBlue]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He has people in his ear...or don't you know how broadcasts work? Also after having done it tens, if not hundreds of thousands of times throughout his career calling games, pretty sure he should be mostly accurate with those...at least in every other game I have heard him or any other announcer call they have been.  Not this game.

What about him bringing up the spot being wrong 7 or 8 times.  I get the Bills fans frustrations, but a loss brings out exaggeration to all time highs. 

[BillsfaninChicago]

It is pretty appropriate that the theme song for the Bills this season was Mr. Brightside since it is about a dude getting F’ed over. 

[Big Turk]

38 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What about him bringing up the spot being wrong 7 or 8 times.  I get the Bills fans frustrations, but a loss brings out exaggeration to all time highs. 

 

That's true. He had to correct himself that many times after he said it was a first down.  Was happening all night long.

Edited 4 hours ago by Big Turk

[bigduke6]

hard to beat the Chefs,  Refs,  and homefield.  homefield matters.

[Fleezoid]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That's true. He had to correct himself that many times after he said it was a first down.  Was happening all night long.

 

They couldn't use roughing calls to keep the Chiefs drives alive because those would be hugely scrutinized.  So, they had to come up with something else. Someone in the NFL headquarters says, "let's just use ball placement to limit the Bills drives." And the overall response was, "Brilliant!" 

[ShakAttack]

As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.

 

KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.

 

It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs.  And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.

 

And after all, it's human nature to favor your friends in difficult situations, whether you realize you're doing it or not.  For instance, I'm watching the 4th and 1 play in the mic'd up video, and as soon as the play is over, the Chiefs are so animated about stopping us short; they have NO DOUBT.  I didn't see that from the Bills, even though we clearly DID get the first down.  These guys are in the refs heads whether the refs are aware of it or not!  They are doing this right in front of the refs.  And yes, I know that happens a lot anyway, and I know the refs are "professionals" and trained to be neutral, not swayed by the players/coaches, etc, but when you look at how friendly these guys are with the refs before the game, and if you think back to a situation in your own life when your best friend is making their case to you about something important, aren't you typically biased toward them?  In contrast, if a JAG (let's say) is in your ear about getting a call wrong, who cares?  Who's that person to you anyway?  Doesn't quite have the same weight as Mahomes being upset, does it?  (from the ref's perspective)

 

The ONE time I recall the Chiefs experiencing a decisive call that did NOT go in their favor was the Kadarius Toney "offensive Offside".  And even though it was the correct call, we all saw Mahomes throw a tantrum on the sidelines and continue this hissy fit during the post-game press conference.  It reminded me of, dare I say, someone that had just been betrayed by a good friend?  And was in complete and utter shock that this friend actually had the nerve to do it?  

 

Could it be, that ever since that incident, these refs decided they did not want to cross the Chiefs again?  They did not want to interfere with "greatness" again?  Boy, I mean, if PATRICK MAHOMES is treating you like his best buddy, wouldn't you feel honored?  Wouldn't you feel, maybe even slightly (because that's all it takes) that you don't want to be the one to let him down?  Or Kelce?  Or Swift?   Or hell, maybe even Chris Jones?

 

I just think, if this was being done purposely, the optics would be a little different.   Instead, these terrible calls seem to come in the form of being favored any time there is a "borderline" call.  And even when reviewed, they refuse to overturn it, especially in the playoffs.  

 

Listen, something is obviously going on here, because it 100% can't be coincidence that throughout this entire season, every decisive flag thrown by a referee has gone against the Chiefs opponent and NOT ONE has gone against the Chiefs.  It just has to go both ways sometimes, but it doesn't?  But does that mean they are intentionally rigging it?  I just don't know.  To me, it seems more realistic that they're doing it subconsciously, but the Chiefs, on the other hand, are fully aware of what they are doing and they are 100% intentional about going out of their way to buddy up with these refs...

[Kelly to Allen]

Look there's probably a pushing of the envelope but the bills issues trying to win a championship are internal. It doesn't have much to do with any team that is more talented or the refs