Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

New angle (from NFL Films).

 

Yeah, Allen had that first down.

 

Yikes 😬 even worse than I thought. 

 

[Ballhawk]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

New angle (from NFL Films).

 

Yeah, Allen had that first down.

 

All I can think of when I see this is... "just give it to them"

[CaliBills]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Not only can you still not see the ball, but that image is also not perpendicular to the sideline and still taken from an angle that skews the perspective.

 

Doesn't matter if you can see the ball or not, assume the ball is in the right arm,  it is still right on the line.  

 

Look at Dawkins black under shirt.  right on the line and almost vertical from that spot.  Josh numbers are right in the middle of that line.  

 

Anyways, yes we should have won without those calls,  the issue is, just like phantom holding calls on O'Cyrus when Josh ran in for a TD early in the year that took points off the board.  These calls alter games and can take points off the board with a simple call, like marking the ball short on 3rd and 3 when it was clearly a first down, or short on the 4th and 1 when the ref ball side marked it a first down..

 

Gambling being made legal I truly believe is the reason this is happening more.

[finn]

Thought experiment: Imagine that the refs are in fact biased: they're instructed to "massage the outcome" as one commentator put it. How would those responsible (the cheaters) want everyone involved--players, coaches, fans, the media--to respond to complaints? Answer: They would be thrilled by much of the reaction here and elsewhere: "Boo hoo"; "losers whine, winners win"; "too bad you suck"; "it's lame to blame the refs," even "wait till next year."

 

In other words, if there is cheating (a big if), people sneering at those who are objecting are playing the role of stooge for the cheaters. Useful idiots.

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, finn said:

Thought experiment: Imagine that the refs are in fact biased: they're instructed to "massage the outcome" as one commentator put it. How would those responsible (the cheaters) want everyone involved--players, coaches, fans, the media--to respond to complaints? Answer: They would be thrilled by much of the reaction here and elsewhere: "Boo hoo"; "losers whine, winners win"; "too bad you suck"; "it's lame to blame the refs," even "wait till next year."

 

In other words, if there is cheating (a big if), people sneering at those who are objecting are playing the role of stooge for the cheaters. Useful idiots.

 

I actually don't think it is as big as an IF that you might think.

 

NBA had point shaving going on by Referees for a while until they used only 1 ref to be the scape goat.  

 

All it takes is a few calls to get some points taken away.

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

Doesn't matter if you can see the ball or not, assume the ball is in the right arm,  it is still right on the line.  

 

Look at Dawkins black under shirt.  right on the line and almost vertical from that spot.  Josh numbers are right in the middle of that line.  

 

Anyways, yes we should have won without those calls,  the issue is, just like phantom holding calls on O'Cyrus when Josh ran in for a TD early in the year that took points off the board.  These calls alter games and can take points off the board with a simple call, like marking the ball short on 3rd and 3 when it was clearly a first down, or short on the 4th and 1 when the ref ball side marked it a first down..

 

Gambling being made legal I truly believe is the reason this is happening more.

 

If you assume the ball is in his right arm and the rotate the camera to the left so it's actually lined up with the 40, then he's still probably short.

[finn]

Just now, CaliBills said:

 

I actually don't think it is as big as an IF that you might think.

 

NBA had point shaving going on by Referees for a while until they used only 1 ref to be the scape goat.  

 

All it takes is a few calls to get some points taken away.

I agree. In fact, someday the evidence will come out, and it will seem obvious to everyone, in hindsight, that of course the league had a finger on the scale. As you say, it's SO easy to sway the outcome of a game, and the stakes are SO high that it's ludicrously naïve to think they (or some other party, like gamblers or the mob) wouldn't jump at the many chances to cheat. Just follow the money. 

[Negan]

We should just bet the Chiefs to 3 peat, might as well bet them to 4 peat.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if they won 6-8 Super Bowls in a row.  I'm not kidding either.

[Einstein]

40 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Not only can you still not see the ball, but that image is also not perpendicular to the sideline and still taken from an angle that skews the perspective.

True. But that picture is the view the ref who spotted him short had. So how could he tell if this picture can’t?

The ref who spotted us with the first down is the ref on the side of the field that’s staring at the ball.

 

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy - I think it’s just a mistake. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:53 PM by Einstein

[90sBills]

33 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

Gambling being made legal I truly believe is the reason this is happening more.

A lot of people say this and I don’t get it. Why would this be the case? It’s not like casinos are barring you from betting on KC. If the NFL is intentionally favoring KC why not just put $ on them and profit. Why would casinos be in favor of influencing an outcome for KC? That would cost them $. 

[Motorin']

31 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If you assume the ball is in his right arm and the rotate the camera to the left so it's actually lined up with the 40, then he's still probably short.

 

He clearly made the first down. 

 

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[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

A lot of people say this and I don’t get it. Why would this be the case? It’s not like casinos are barring you from betting on KC. If the NFL is intentionally favoring KC why not just put $ on them and profit. Why would casinos be in favor of influencing an outcome for KC? That would cost them $. 

Not to mention, why would Pegula and other non-Chiefs owners be okay with it? Makes no sense. 

 

I think the refs are just bad at their job.

 

I really have no explanation for not overturning that Worthy catch either. That ball hit the ground.

[harmonkillebrew]

I'm a little more pissed at McDermott for not challenging that spot on Kincaid's 3rd down catch. Instead he tried to rush a 4th and 1 QB sneak with not enough heavy personnel.  KC's Dline had been stuffing that all night and rather than get guys in tight to push Allen, we tried to do a quick snap. Chiefs weren't fooled (even if the spot was horrible).  

 

Those spots were close, but wanted more from the officials and McDermott

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

True. But that picture is the view the ref who spotted him short had. So how could he tell if this picture can’t?

The ref who spotted us with the first down is the ref on the side of the field that’s staring at the ball.

 

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy - I think it’s just a mistake. 

 

it then went to NY though and you would think those guys have the technology that some of the home garage bloggers do that clearly show the ball relative to the line by superimposing or making Chris Jones invisible.  I'm not sure how NY couldn't have overturned that.

[Goin Breakdown]

20 minutes ago, Negan said:

We should just bet the Chiefs to 3 peat, might as well bet them to 4 peat.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if they won 6-8 Super Bowls in a row.  I'm not kidding either.

I agree 100% with you. Maybe not 6-8 but why not?  I think the goal is to keep them relevant and keep the records going. Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Lamar is the MVP and everyone else are basically supporting cast members. I have literally lost all my faith in the NFL. I still don't think it's totally fixed but I sure as hell think gambling and other factors have swayed the game. 

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Not to mention, why would Pegula and other non-Chiefs owners be okay with it? Makes no sense. 

 

I think the refs are just bad at their job.

 

I really have no explanation for not overturning that Worthy catch either. That ball hit the ground.

Exactly! Makes no sense.

 

Yeah that ball hit the ground. If it wasn’t for the illegal holding flag called on us I’d be more pissed. They were going to get the ball with a first down anyway.

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

I'm a little more pissed at McDermott for not challenging that spot on Kincaid's 3rd down catch. Instead he tried to rush a 4th and 1 QB sneak with not enough heavy personnel.  KC's Dline had been stuffing that all night and rather than get guys in tight to push Allen, we tried to do a quick snap. Chiefs weren't fooled (even if the spot was horrible).  

 

Those spots were close, but wanted more from the officials and McDermott

it then went to NY though and you would think those guys have the technology that some of the home garage bloggers do that clearly show the ball relative to the line by superimposing or making Chris Jones invisible.  I'm not sure how NY couldn't have overturned that.

This was what I was saying at the money it was going on. Why doesn't NY step in at times and not other times. Why not the mysterious men in black from the Houston playoff game?  Remember them when they showed up and gaslit us all as to why they took our TD away. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

48 minutes ago, Einstein said:

True. But that picture is the view the ref who spotted him short had. So how could he tell if this picture can’t?

The ref who spotted us with the first down is the ref on the side of the field that’s staring at the ball.

 

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy - I think it’s just a mistake. 

 

Which left me wondering why the official with the better view the ball didn't overrule the official with no view of the ball.

[jcamm1966]

Start by never running those darn WR screen or TE screens ever again, and run Cook . The stupid (package) with TY is another thing to be thrown out.

[Scott7975]

 

[Repulsif]

Out of curiosity, anyone knows what the "removed" flag was for ? On the kinkaid drop play