Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[Niagara Dude]

18 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Sorry, I really don’t care what people say. The refs let us down on two HUGE plays. The first was the Worthy catch on the 4 yard line and the second was that horrible disgusting spot on 4th down. The first down marker was at the 40 yard line and about 1/3 of the ball crossed over it. Even Gene Steratore pointed it out. I don’t care how horrible you say the Bills played. They had the game tied at that point and ended up losing by 3 points. In an extremely close game like that, the officiating is absolutely critical. Go ahead and blame it on the defense all you want when the Chiefs pretty much score on everybody. NOBODY can stop them and when they get called for like 3 penalties the entire game, it makes it even harder. The refs threw the Bills a bone just to not make it look blatant, but every call that mattered went against Buffalo. I had my heart absolutely ripped out today and am a little emotional, but I stand by my words. 

I think the Chiefs still score because there was a holding call on Hamlin, they could have easily chewed up the remainder of clock and Bills don't have opportunity to score before the end of half

[Harold Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

I hope that you guys are just trolling...

 

You think the league has it out for the Bills when they play the Chiefs yet you still spend time watching because it's entertaining?

 

 

 

Is freedom of choice and thoughts that hard to understand?  

Who said the league had/has it out for the Bills? None of the owners are complaining. The NFL is one organization. Not 32 separate rogue armies. 

If you want to take the losses personal, that's your business. But I said they would lose this game and I was correct. Apparently I have some right ideas about the entertainment business. 

It is what it is

 

[Scott7975]

I view that play as an easy first down. The ref that could see the ball was going to call it a first down. The ref that could only see Allens back and not the ball called it short. The ref that could see the ball then called it short. Who the hell goes with the guy that can't see the ball.  On replay you can absolutely piece together the angles and see its a first down. I've watched every media outlet this morning and they all said that was a first down. The ex ref in the booth said it was a first down. If you don't see a first down there then you are just dense. We got screwed there.

 

That said, I don't even care about that play. I care that Kincaid dropped the pass. His time was called to make a play and he didn't make it. Thats the difference between the Chiefs and the Bills. When it's someone on the Chiefs and their time is called to make a play, they always make it. When someone on the Bills time is called to make a play, they don't.

 

I would also blame Brady on that play. Calling spread offense in that situation is just inviting the pressure. They should not been in spread. Allen also shifted the protection the wrong way. A lot of things went wrong on that play. At the end, Allen made the play anyways. Kincaid didn't.

Edited Monday at 09:49 PM by Scott7975

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, Dancing Fool said:

The Chiefs have consistently been the favorite of the refs since they got the face of the league.

 

How lucky!

I believe the chiefs have made enough plays outside of the refs calls to give them credit where it’s due.  They have the best situational defensive play caller in the league and it usually shows up at a high rate in the 4th qtr.  Mahomes has Reid to steer him right while having enough athleticism and feel to always make a play when needed

 

edit: but the refs have helped them along the way- they certainly benefitted more from close calls than we did last games. Calls that could go either way- went their way this game

Edited Monday at 09:51 PM by NewEra

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I view that play as an easy first down. The ref that could see the ball was going to call it a first down. The ref that could only see Allens back and not the ball called it short. The ref that could see the ball then called it short. Who the hell goes with the guy that can't see the ball.  On replay you can absolutely piece together the angles and see its a first down. I've watched every media outlet this morning and they all said that was a first down. The ex ref in the booth said it was a first down. If you don't see a first down there then you are just dense. We got screwed there.

 

That said, I don't even care about that play. I care that Kincaid dropped the pass. His time was called to make a play and he didn't make it. Thats the difference between the Chiefs and the Bills. When it's someone on the Chiefs and their time is called to make a play, they always make it. When someone on the Bills time is called to make a play, they don't.

 

I would also blame Brady on that play. Calling spread offense in that situation is just inviting the pressure. They should not been in 5 wide. Allen also shifted the protection the wrong way. A lot of things went wrong on that play. At the end, Allen made the play anyways. Kincaid didn't.

Kinda crazy Romo and nantz were openly laughing at how frequently the bills spots were coming in a yard or two short every time 

[BillsFanNC]

3 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

 

Is freedom of choice and thoughts that hard to understand?  

Who said the league had/has it out for the Bills? None of the owners are complaining. The NFL is one organization. Not 32 separate rogue armies. 

If you want to take the losses personal, that's your business. But I said they would lose this game and I was correct. Apparently I have some right ideas about the entertainment business. 

It is what it is

 

 

Personal? I think I have a far more rational take on what transpired last night than your left field bleachers take.

 

Still I want to make sure I understand your stance with total clarity. 

 

Because the NFL is a business, Taylor Swift, Mahomes etc. it's your contention that the outcome last night was pre determined, that there's nothing the Bills could have done with coaching and execution that could have changed the outcome?

[DrBob806]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

I would also blame Brady on that play. Calling 5 wide in that situation is just inviting the pressure.

They should not been in 5 wide. Allen also shifted the protection the wrong way. A lot of things went wrong on that play. At the end, Allen made the play anyways. Kincaid didn't.

Agree, definitely an odd play call.

 

Regarding Kincaid, he laid out for it, coming back for it. I wouldn't be so harsh. It was a desperation pass that nearly worked out. Maybe a more agile WR hauls that in. 

 

The whole situation sucks.

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

Agree, definitely an odd play call.

 

Regarding Kincaid, he laid out for it, coming back for it. I wouldn't be so harsh. It was a desperation pass that nearly worked out. Maybe a more agile WR hauls that in. 

 

The whole situation sucks.

 

Kincaid was a first round pick. If you want to be a champion then you have to make a champion play. It wasn't a prayer ball. Josh seen him wide the hell open and got a pass where it needed to be while off the ground falling backwards. It was an incredible throw. Behind him a bit yes, but consider Josh was falling backwards off the ground with guys in his face, incredible throw. That ball was something that was more like a fair catch ball. He absolutely should have caught it. Nobody around him. It wasn't a dart. He just didn't make it.

 

Had he caught the ball, that play would be something people talked about as one of the greatest plays in NFL playoff history. Thats what a champion does.

Edited Monday at 10:00 PM by Scott7975

[DrBob806]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Kincaid was a first round pick. If you want to be a champion then you have to make a champion play. It wasn't a prayer ball. Josh seen him wide the hell open and got a pass where it needed to be while off the ground falling backwards. It was an incredible throw. Behind him a bit yes, but consider Josh was falling backwards off the ground with guys in his face, incredible throw. That ball was something that was more like a fair catch ball. He absolutely should have caught it. Nobody around him. It wasn't a dart. He just didn't make it.

 

Had he caught the ball, that play would be something people talked about as one of the greatest plays in NFL playoff history. Thats what a champion does.

It certainly was an incredible throw but that CB blitz caught him off guard. A split second more time, maybe it's a dart to him.

[Harold Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Personal? I think I have a far more rational take on what transpired last night than your left field bleachers take.

 

Still I want to make sure I understand your stance with total clarity. 

 

Because the NFL is a business, Taylor Swift, Mahomes etc. it's your contention that the outcome last night was pre determined, that there's nothing the Bills could have done with coaching and execution that could have changed the outcome?

Dude, as I said, millions already know and have known for years. I've known over a decade.

You're talking to me as though I'm some unicorn. 

For Christ sake man, a rookie QB winning games in the last 60 seconds or less for multiple weeks? The Chiefs doing the same almost every week this season. Balls hitting goal posts wayyy too much more than naturally possible. 

After Barkley scored his first TD yesterday. I said this game is already over. I got a few negative emojis lol for that. He scored his second. I said - yep definitely. Some of you thought - oh look it's 14-10. They've got a chance! Nope. You've seen these scenarios over and over. Yet you keep falling for them. 

Hell, you'd think after the 13 seconds game you'd get wise by now. Come on, man

[Warriorspikes51]

KC was allowed to line up blatantly in the neutral zone on the 4th down play and the 2 pt try.  
 

 

Pause it at :12 of this clip

[BillsFanNC]

6 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

Dude, as I said, millions already know and have known for years. I've known over a decade.

You're talking to me as though I'm some unicorn. 

For Christ sake man, a rookie QB winning games in the last 60 seconds or less for multiple weeks? The Chiefs doing the same almost every week this season. Balls hitting goal posts wayyy too much more than naturally possible. 

After Barkley scored his first TD yesterday. I said this game is already over. I got a few negative emojis lol for that. He scored his second. I said - yep definitely. Some of you thought - oh look it's 14-10. They've got a chance! Nope. You've seen these scenarios over and over. Yet you keep falling for them. 

Hell, you'd think after the 13 seconds game you'd get wise by now. Come on, man

 

Interesting.

 

So what happens if say Mahomes and Kelce both tear ACLs in the 1st quarter?

 

Does the league pivot and allow the Bills into the Super Bowl or is the Taylor effect so huge that the league decides to ramp up the rigging so that the Carson Wentz Chiefs win anyway?

 

Kelce laid up in the suite with Tay Tay and camera shots after every other play?

 

HUGE ratings man!

 

 

 

 

[Harold Jackson]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Interesting.

 

So what happens if say Mahomes and Kelce both tear ACLs in the 1st quarter?

 

Does the league pivot and allow the Bills into the Super Bowl or is the Taylor effect so huge that the league decides to ramp up the rigging so that the Carson Wentz Chiefs win anyway?

 

Kelce laid up in the suite with Tay Tay and camera shots after every other play?

 

HUGE ratings man!

 

 

 

 

It's a valid question. Why do you think they made the rules so flag football like, now. Safer for the outcomes.

Just like wrestling, both fake and real injuries happen. 

Think about the fact that Wentz played on Eagles, Washington, Chiefs. He's got a chance for another back up ring.

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

It's a valid question. Why do you think they made the rules so flag football like, now. Safer for the outcomes.

Just like wrestling, both fake and real injuries happen. 

Think about the fact that Wentz played on Eagles, Washington, Chiefs. He's got a chance for another back up ring.

 

Love it.

 

Rock on man!

 

[Dancing Fool]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

I hope that you guys are just trolling...

 

You think the league has it out for the Bills when they play the Chiefs yet you still spend time watching because it's entertaining?

 

 

I do not think the league has it out for the Bills, I think the league has preferences and is willing to nudge the scales a bit to get the result they want.

 

That being said it is not a very high bar to appear on my second monitor while I am playing Magic the Gathering on my main screen. At one point I would have hung out with friends for such an event, perhaps went to a bar or viewing party. Because of my extreme lack of hype for this match I decided to stay home and I feel I made the correct choice.

 

*Shrug*

 

I used to billieve.

[NewEra]

59 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

Dude, as I said, millions already know and have known for years. I've known over a decade.

You're talking to me as though I'm some unicorn. 

For Christ sake man, a rookie QB winning games in the last 60 seconds or less for multiple weeks? The Chiefs doing the same almost every week this season. Balls hitting goal posts wayyy too much more than naturally possible. 

After Barkley scored his first TD yesterday. I said this game is already over. I got a few negative emojis lol for that. He scored his second. I said - yep definitely. Some of you thought - oh look it's 14-10. They've got a chance! Nope. You've seen these scenarios over and over. Yet you keep falling for them. 

Hell, you'd think after the 13 seconds game you'd get wise by now. Come on, man

Come on man…. LOL.  As if he’s the minority here.  Yes- many think that there is something fishy going on - but only a small % of the population would go so far as you in saying that it’s all predetermined.  

[UKBillFan]

I try not to go down conspiracy theories, but the refs were really favoring the Chiefs yesterday and, in a three point game that's key.

 

Twice the Chiefs were in the neutral zone (one of the two point conversions and *that* 4th down) but no infraction called.

The constant spotting the ball short, which cost the Bills severely in the end, though hated the sneak call which put it in the officials hands. But Kincaid seemed to have the first before that.

The Worthy 'catch' though, of course, a flag had been thrown anyway so the Chiefs would have got something either way

Hamlin being called for taunting when it was led by Kelce

Why did the flag suddenly disappear after Kincaid dropped the ball?

The punt return with two holds and a block in the back? No, that's fine, carry on.

The facemask call on Elam.

 

Did the Bills have one controversial call favour them?

 

The Bills had issues with play calls and executions throughout the evening, there is no denying that. But in a close game one of these decisions would have an impact. How many do we have here. Eight, nine, ten? All favoring the Chiefs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I have been watching this sneak play all day and the far judge that runs in marking it a first down had it exactly right imo.  Very very bizarre that got moved back. Once it went to review Chris jones’ fat head blocks an angle that would’ve made it super obvious but the call on the field was straight doodoo

 

mcd even said ‘the marker was right next to me…it was just short of the 40’ which makes it insane 

Edited Monday at 11:18 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Harold Jackson]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Come on man…. LOL.  As if he’s the minority here.  Yes- many think that there is something fishy going on - but only a small % of the population would go so far as you in saying that it’s all predetermined.  

I'd say it's a very large small lol.

And as the human mind works. Plenty agree but don't dare say it because they don't want to be kicked from the herd. 

 

 

[The Wiz]

just saw this overhead view (not sure if posted yet).  How the refs could mark that short is amazing to me.