Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I think the NFL is pry going to go overboard now in using the technology and making obvious penalties/non penalties reviewable.  Their biggest fear is that enough dumb people will think the game is rigged because of gambling and they'll stop watching.  Kind of the perfect storm of the Chief fatigue, bad officiating that went the Chiefs way, and the whole Taylor Swift story line.  

First of all, I think that calling people "dumb" because they have an opinion about this one topic is a bit much.

 

Second, those of us who can think outside the box can come up with other possibilities, such as the marketing value of Taylor Swift and how she alone will increase viewership and advertising revenues, but that's ok. I won't label you as "dumb" because you fail to see this as being possible. 

[zow2]

I don't think the NFL is rigged.  I don't think the refs are openly cheating.  However, I've felt for many years that the refs are subconsciously biased towards the home teams, especially in the playoffs.   A lot of Bills fans probably don't keep score on this but there's been some questionable calls and non-calls in Bills playoff home games that have benefited us.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just is.  Kansas City has hosted a ton of playoff games, so I do think they've had a bunch of "reffing" go their way.  Chris Jones lined up in the neutral zone on a few short yardage plays.  I'll be interested to see if stuff like that is enforced on a neutral field in the SB.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I think the NFL is pry going to go overboard now in using the technology and making obvious penalties/non penalties reviewable.  Their biggest fear is that enough dumb people will think the game is rigged because of gambling and they'll stop watching.  Kind of the perfect storm of the Chief fatigue, bad officiating that went the Chiefs way, and the whole Taylor Swift story line.  

Goodells responses have been awful.  To not admit that there are major issues is a problem-  I hope you’re right though and things change this offseason

[Brand J]

Refs: please, please, please let the Eagles extend a late game winning drive on a ticky tack call. It happened to the Eagles in the last SB they played. I’d love to hear the Chiefs fans whine about it. 

[finn]

4 hours ago, zow2 said:

I've felt for many years that the refs are subconsciously biased towards the home teams, especially in the playoffs.  

Their bias has been well documented. Read Scorecasting by Tobias Moskowitz.

 

But I suspect their bias isn't just unconscious. With billions of dollars hanging on the spread, wouldn't at least some interested parties try to persuade them to influence the game, even in a limited way? Think of a) how many highly motivated parties there are out there now with gambling legalized; b) how many ways refs can be "persuaded" to participate, the many variations of threats and bribes; c) how easy it would be for a ref to cheat; and d) how easy it would be to deny the cheating, especially with the full force of the league backing them, as well as many fans (albeit a dwindling number).

 

All these factors add up to a high probability that at least some games have been influenced by at least one corrupt ref, with higher likelihood of playoff games with their higher stakes. As someone pointed out, cheating might not even be illegal, pushing the probability even higher. 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Goodells responses have been awful.  To not admit that there are major issues is a problem-  I hope you’re right though and things change this offseason

Based on Schefter's tweets about making certain penalties re viewable like roughing the passer after the Chiefs/Texans game, the refs releasing a statement that they don't fix games (which is kind of funny because it implies incompetence on their part which is exactly what it is), and even Goodell having to publicly say the NFL isn't rigged I expect significant changes this off-season.  You lose the integrity of the game it's a huge problem with them in bed with gambling companies.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Based on Schefter's tweets about making certain penalties re viewable like roughing the passer after the Chiefs/Texans game, the refs releasing a statement that they don't fix games (which is kind of funny because it implies incompetence on their part which is exactly what it is), and even Goodell having to publicly say the NFL isn't rigged I expect significant changes this off-season.  You lose the integrity of the game it's a huge problem with them in bed with gambling companies.

A big issue was discussed in another thread that officials often call flags on what they think happened to vs what they actually see. See Dawkins penalty against the Ravens or the two roughing the passer penalties against Houston in their playoff game. On first look or in real time they looked legit. Yet on replay if was clearly not but because the calls are non reversable it just shows the ref messed up. The league has the tool to make things right and have to a degree where coaches don't have to waste challenges on calls that the ref in the sky reverses when it can. Until the league makes all calls objective vs subjective this will continue. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

Refs: please, please, please let the Eagles extend a late game winning drive on a ticky tack call. It happened to the Eagles in the last SB they played. I’d love to hear the Chiefs fans whine about it. 

Oh, you can guarantee some BS flags if the Chiefs find themselves in a hole early on. Then again, that won’t happen since they have free range to hold on every play if they want . Based on their 0 holding calls in the past 3 SBs (which is an insane stat line considering there is holding on every other play in the NFL) 

[90sBills]

7 hours ago, finn said:

That's like saying it's not a controversial statement to say Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were great players by pointing out how many home runs they hit in 1998. How many Super Bowls would Mahomes have won if the league, via the refs, weren't putting their thumbs on the scale? I don't care if he goes on to win ten Super Bowls. All but the first few will always carry an asterisk. 

 

One of the many disgusting aspects of the cheating, the one I'm least concerned about actually, is that it does diminish what Mahomes and the Chiefs have done. For this reason, rather than denying the cheating (which they have no part of), they should be first in line criticizing it. 

What cheating?

6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

First of all, I think that calling people "dumb" because they have an opinion about this one topic is a bit much.

 

Second, those of us who can think outside the box can come up with other possibilities, such as the marketing value of Taylor Swift and how she alone will increase viewership and advertising revenues, but that's ok. I won't label you as "dumb" because you fail to see this as being possible. 

Does this mean you’ve cashed in on the ‘cheating’ and made a bundle on betting KC games?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

A big issue was discussed in another thread that officials often call flags on what they think happened to vs what they actually see. See Dawkins penalty against the Ravens or the two roughing the passer penalties against Houston in their playoff game. On first look or in real time they looked legit. Yet on replay if was clearly not but because the calls are non reversable it just shows the ref messed up. The league has the tool to make things right and have to a degree where coaches don't have to waste challenges on calls that the ref in the sky reverses when it can. Until the league makes all calls objective vs subjective this will continue. 

I completely agree.  However, then you get into the slippery slope of all plays cans be reviewed which would severely disrupt game flow.  Look hard enough on any play and you can pry find a penalty in there.  I think maybe adding two coaching challenges (without the possibility of losing a time out) just for penalties per game could be a nice middle ground.

7 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

First of all, I think that calling people "dumb" because they have an opinion about this one topic is a bit much.

 

Second, those of us who can think outside the box can come up with other possibilities, such as the marketing value of Taylor Swift and how she alone will increase viewership and advertising revenues, but that's ok. I won't label you as "dumb" because you fail to see this as being possible. 

Anybody that thinks their is a league wide conspiracy among all the refs to help rig the Super Bowl for the Chiefs to be in it don't have two functioning brain cells.  Dumb is the polite way I can put it.

Edited February 5 by Doc Brown

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

HAHAHAHA 

[Orlando Buffalo]

30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I completely agree.  However, then you get into the slippery slope of all plays cans be reviewed which would severely disrupt game flow.  Look hard enough on any play and you can pry find a penalty in there.  I think maybe adding two coaching challenges (without the possibility of losing a time out) just for penalties per game could be a nice middle ground.

Anybody that thinks their is a league wide conspiracy among all the refs to help rig the Super Bowl for the Chiefs to be in it don't have two functioning brains.  Dumb is the polite way I can put it.

Two points- you limit the amount of reviews by making it a situation where you can miss one review but ask for second which is wrong will end your ability to get a review along with loss of time outs.

I do believe the officials are simply incompetent but at what point does the separation of impact between incompetent and conspiracy become irrelevant? 

[Repulsif]

31 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

HAHAHAHA 

There's also this one for Mahomes

 

https://youtu.be/PiiEDVRe7s8?si=rAUIH0cHoAdXiQI2

[TBBills Fan]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Goodells responses have been awful.  To not admit that there are major issues is a problem-  I hope you’re right though and things change this offseason

That adds fuel to the fire I think. His "nothing to see here" this is preposterous does not dismiss my concerns and side eye looks or anyone elses. In fact, it adds fuel to the fire because if he said, yes we see missed calls, wrong calls and are doing this, this and this to be as close to perfect as possible then I'd say okay, tin foil hat off.  Instead, he uses the old political, fake news line when he discusses the refs and missed/non/wrong calls. 

[Albwan]

It's hard to win when you have one good player on the field. Yes Tom Brady won an awful lot, but the Pats

always fielded a great team around him. Sorry I don't see it said much here, you can't win a Superbowl

at the Dollar General.

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Two points- you limit the amount of reviews by making it a situation where you can miss one review but ask for second which is wrong will end your ability to get a review along with loss of time outs.

I do believe the officials are simply incompetent but at what point does the separation of impact between incompetent and conspiracy become irrelevant? 

We'll see what they do.  They allowed coaches to challenge PI calls a few years back and it was a disaster.    Maybe they'll just make it so any personal foul is automatically reviewed upstairs and add a flopping penalty.  To your second point, it's already irrelevant and the NFL needs to act aggressively to make refs full time employees and do a better job of communicating on the live broadcasts to the public about why this is or isn't a penalty. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

We'll see what they do.  They allowed coaches to challenge PI calls a few years back and it was a disaster.    Maybe they'll just make it so any personal foul is automatically reviewed upstairs and add a flopping penalty.  To your second point, it's already irrelevant and the NFL needs to act aggressively to make refs full time employees and do a better job of communicating on the live broadcasts to the public about why this is or isn't a penalty. 

It is not about the refs being full time, if there is one issue with the refs that is most likely causing the issue is the age. Too many of them are just unable to keep up with the pace of the game, especially with the amount of rules they are supposed to call 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Two points- you limit the amount of reviews by making it a situation where you can miss one review but ask for second which is wrong will end your ability to get a review along with loss of time outs.

I do believe the officials are simply incompetent but at what point does the separation of impact between incompetent and conspiracy become irrelevant? 

At times it feels like refs make calls they know that are going to get reviewed so know have a replay or challenge bail them out.

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, 90sBills said:

What cheating?

Does this mean you’ve cashed in on the ‘cheating’ and made a bundle on betting KC games?

I am a small bettor and make 10-15 bets per year, mostly on college but yes; I did make a profit this sesason. How about you?

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

Anybody that thinks their is a league wide conspiracy among all the refs to help rig the Super Bowl for the Chiefs to be in it don't have two functioning brain cells.  Dumb is the polite way I can put it.

Who is talking about a league wide conspiracy among all refs? Talk about brain cells! Refs are pawns in a multi-billion dollar conglomerate that is the NFL. They do not make any extra money for having Taylor Swift at the games. 

 

If you think that everything is on the up and up and all of these calls going against us and for the Chiefs are a mere coincidence, more power to ya! It does seem as if milions of fans don't agree, but unlike you; I am not going to resort to name calling or insults. This no matter how short sighted or limited your thinking would appear to be,