Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

 

[colin]

baldinger was on bussin w the boys.   he dropped some stat, i didn't check it, but something like how the chiefs have no holding calls on offense in teh playoffs, or very very few.

 

1000+ snaps, mostly vs top defenses in the nfl, and no holding?

 

i mean, we saw groots helmet come off on a play, he must have just pulled it off himself and we are lucky he didn't get flagged.

 

the sort of accepted unwritten rule that the refs put the whistles away in the playoffs is at best negligence.  it just opens up room for selective enforcement of rules.

[Big Turk]

13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The Chiefs could care less losing to us in the regular season.  It's not an important game to them.

 

A ridiculous statement. Anyone who got to that level did so because they either are extremely talented or extremely driven and hate to lose.  To win Super Bowls, you must be both.  None of those players want to lose any time they step onto that field.

[Zerovoltz]

.....regarding the 4th down play....

 

Let's assume it's called a 1st down.  No one knows what happens after that......but the case is made it was a game altering play.  Fine.  I concede that it was a pivotal moment in the game and that it's possible the Bills go on to score 3,7 or 8.  

 

But, If you are going to call that a pivotal play becuase of the unkown "what might have happend" then you have to consider that the Worthy catch probably ended up working out in the Bills favor right?  If that is ruled incomplete, insted of 1st and goal at the 5, it's first and 10 at the 20 instead (due to holding on Hamlin). KC MAYBE (we don't know what happens for sure) runs quite a bit more clock out before socring a TD to go up 21-10 and the Bills don't have the time to get the TD before halftime.

 

I am not saying that is what would happen and I am not trying to diminish the importance of the 4th down call when it happend.  I am simply saying, at that particular time and spot in the game, it's not the game changer that for example, the Rams Saints missed PI was when that happend..literally cost the Saints the game for sure.

 

Also....it's noteworthy to me that there were 4 Bills fumbles in this game and the Bills recovered all 4.  No one here has mentioned it at all....and how lucky/improbable it is to have 4 fumbles and recover all 4.  The Chiefs had 1 fumble and it was also recovered by the Bills.  I get it...those aren't on the refs....but they are potential game changing plays.  

 

Last...it has been menioned several times the Bills had the ball with 3 Timeout and 3 plus minutes left with a chance to win or tie.  If you were offered that scenario before the game started, would you take that shot?  With Josh Allen at QB?  I would think Bills fans would take their chances with the ball, 3 minutes plus, 3 TO left and down 3.  That's the time to shine.

 

And finally one last thing....13 seconds may well have been it.  Allen was heroic that game and would have/should have been a champion that year if not for the complete collapse that happend which had nothing to do with Allen.  He was awesome and clutch that game.

[LabattBlue]

4 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

.....regarding the 4th down play....

 

Let's assume it's called a 1st down.  No one knows what happens after that......but the case is made it was a game altering play.  Fine.  I concede that it was a pivotal moment in the game and that it's possible the Bills go on to score 3,7 or 8.  

 

But, If you are going to call that a pivotal play becuase of the unkown "what might have happend" then you have to consider that the Worthy catch probably ended up working out in the Bills favor right?  If that is ruled incomplete, insted of 1st and goal at the 5, it's first and 10 at the 20 instead (due to holding on Hamlin). KC MAYBE (we don't know what happens for sure) runs quite a bit more clock out before socring a TD to go up 21-10 and the Bills don't have the time to get the TD before halftime.

 

I am not saying that is what would happen and I am not trying to diminish the importance of the 4th down call when it happend.  I am simply saying, at that particular time and spot in the game, it's not the game changer that for example, the Rams Saints missed PI was when that happend..literally cost the Saints the game for sure.

 

Also....it's noteworthy to me that there were 4 Bills fumbles in this game and the Bills recovered all 4.  No one here has mentioned it at all....and how lucky/improbable it is to have 4 fumbles and recover all 4.  The Chiefs had 1 fumble and it was also recovered by the Bills.  I get it...those aren't on the refs....but they are potential game changing plays.  

 

Last...it has been menioned several times the Bills had the ball with 3 Timeout and 3 plus minutes left with a chance to win or tie.  If you were offered that scenario before the game started, would you take that shot?  With Josh Allen at QB?  I would think Bills fans would take their chances with the ball, 3 minutes plus, 3 TO left and down 3.  That's the time to shine.

 

And finally one last thing....13 seconds may well have been it.  Allen was heroic that game and would have/should have been a champion that year if not for the complete collapse that happend which had nothing to do with Allen.  He was awesome and clutch that game.

Oh goody.  Look who is here to rub it in our faces. 

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

.....regarding the 4th down play....

 

Let's assume it's called a 1st down.  No one knows what happens after that......but the case is made it was a game altering play.  Fine.  I concede that it was a pivotal moment in the game and that it's possible the Bills go on to score 3,7 or 8.  

 

But, If you are going to call that a pivotal play becuase of the unkown "what might have happend" then you have to consider that the Worthy catch probably ended up working out in the Bills favor right?  If that is ruled incomplete, insted of 1st and goal at the 5, it's first and 10 at the 20 instead (due to holding on Hamlin). KC MAYBE (we don't know what happens for sure) runs quite a bit more clock out before socring a TD to go up 21-10 and the Bills don't have the time to get the TD before halftime.

 

I am not saying that is what would happen and I am not trying to diminish the importance of the 4th down call when it happend.  I am simply saying, at that particular time and spot in the game, it's not the game changer that for example, the Rams Saints missed PI was when that happend..literally cost the Saints the game for sure.

 

Also....it's noteworthy to me that there were 4 Bills fumbles in this game and the Bills recovered all 4.  No one here has mentioned it at all....and how lucky/improbable it is to have 4 fumbles and recover all 4.  The Chiefs had 1 fumble and it was also recovered by the Bills.  I get it...those aren't on the refs....but they are potential game changing plays.  

 

Last...it has been menioned several times the Bills had the ball with 3 Timeout and 3 plus minutes left with a chance to win or tie.  If you were offered that scenario before the game started, would you take that shot?  With Josh Allen at QB?  I would think Bills fans would take their chances with the ball, 3 minutes plus, 3 TO left and down 3.  That's the time to shine.

 

And finally one last thing....13 seconds may well have been it.  Allen was heroic that game and would have/should have been a champion that year if not for the complete collapse that happend which had nothing to do with Allen.  He was awesome and clutch that game.

1. I am never team "the refs cost us the game". There are far too many plays, too many moments, and too many variables in a football game for it to ever be reasonable to say that the refs cost you a win with one or two decisions they made.

2. That 4th down spot was INDISPUTABLY an enormous moment in the game. As you say, there's no way to know what would have happened afterward, but the Bills were driving, up one, with a chance to go up by four, eight, or nine. Considering they lost the game by 3, any one of those scoring outcomes would have been huge. Momentum is also an undeniable factor, and that call undeniably swung it in the Chiefs' favor.

 

3. Chiefs fans like to point out the "Bills had the ball with 3 timeouts and 3 plus minutes left, down 3". But there's a decent to good chance that the Bills WOULDN'T have been down 3 in that moment had it not been for the blown 4th down spot earlier. The butterfly effect of one call in a football game is ultimately unknowable, but the entire remainder of the 4th quarter likely would've played out differently. The Bills may not have NEEDED to drive for points at the end if earlier play outcomes and been called differently. That's the point.

It can simultaneously be (and, in the opinion of almost everyone, IS) true that:

 

- The officials had several egregiously bad calls in a highly visible game, all of which favored the Chiefs, particularly in enormous, game-swinging moments, and it has soured a ton of NFL fans on the impartiality of the league. The Bills have reason to be upset.

- The officials are ultimately not the reason the Bills lost the game -- or at least not the SOLE reason. The Bills, at various times, were outcoached, out-schemed, and out-executed, and at the end of the day, the Chiefs did what they needed to do to win, and the Bills did not.

Our GM said as much in his end-of-season press conference. "Yes, the refs got those calls wrong, but no, that's not why we lost". Our HEAD COACH told the team prior to the game "we're not going to get the calls in this game, but we need to be able to play above it". They did NOT, ultimately, play above it, but the fact that the coach had to say that (and was right in saying it) speaks volumes.

The NFL has an officiating problem, and it has overwhelmingly helped the Chiefs this season. The ONLY people who refuse to admit it are Chiefs fans. Everyone else -- from fans, to play-by-play guys, to former officials like Dean Blandino, to analysts and journalists, to media talking heads -- can see it, clear as day.

Edited Friday at 08:49 PM by Logic

[ToGoGo]

16 minutes ago, Logic said:

1. I am never team "the refs cost us the game". There are far too many plays, too many moments, and too many variables in a football game for it to ever be reasonable to say that the refs cost you a win with one or two decisions they made.

2. That 4th down spot was INDISPUTABLY an enormous moment in the game. As you say, there's no way to know what would have happened afterward, but the Bills were driving, up one, with a chance to go up by four, eight, or nine. Considering they lost the game by 3, any one of those scoring outcomes would have been huge. Momentum is also an undeniable factor, and that call undeniably swung it in the Chiefs' favor.

 

3. Chiefs fans like to point out the "Bills had the ball with 3 timeouts and 3 plus minutes left, down 3". But there's a decent to good chance that the Bills WOULDN'T have been down 3 in that moment had it not been for the blown 4th down spot earlier. The butterfly effect of one call in a football game is ultimately unknowable, but the entire remainder of the 4th quarter likely would've played out differently. The Bills may not have NEEDED to drive for points at the end if earlier play outcomes and been called differently. That's the point.

It can simultaneously be (and, in the opinion of almost everyone, IS) true that:

 

- The officials had several egregiously bad calls in a highly visible game, all of which favored the Chiefs, particularly in enormous, game-swinging moments, and it has soured a ton of NFL fans on the impartiality of the league. The Bills have reason to be upset.

- The officials are ultimately not the reason the Bills lost the game -- or at least not the SOLE reason. The Bills, at various times, were outcoached, out-schemed, and out-executed, and at the end of the day, the Chiefs did what they needed to do to win, and the Bills did not.

Our GM said as much in his end-of-season press conference. "Yes, the refs got those calls wrong, but no, that's not why we lost". Our HEAD COACH told the team prior to the game "we're not going to get the calls in this game, but we need to be able to play above it". They did NOT, ultimately, play above it, but the fact that the coach had to say that (and was right in saying it) speaks volumes.

The NFL has an officiating problem, and it has overwhelmingly helped the Chiefs this season. The ONLY people who refuse to admit it are Chiefs fans. Everyone else -- from fans, to play-by-play guys, to former officials like Dean Blandino, to analysts and journalists, to media talking heads -- can see it, clear as day.

Frankly, if things are this rigged, why would we say we were out coached? 
 

What if they knew our plays and audibles? What if the reason Allen was so shook on the 1st drive was because the Chiefs knew our script? 
 

Who’s to say it begins and ends with the refs? 

[Zerovoltz]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

The NFL has an officiating problem, and it has overwhelmingly helped the Chiefs this season. The ONLY people who refuse to admit it are Chiefs fans. Everyone else -- from fans, to play-by-play guys, to former officials like Dean Blandino, to analysts and journalists, to media talking heads -- can see it, clear as day.

 

I agree with all of what you say EXCEPT the highlighted.....

 

As a Chiefs fan, I am biased of course....but as a Chiefs fan, the part that frustrates me is that we AGREE the refs suck.  I will agree we get bad calls that go in our favor.  What bothers me is no one notices or cares about all the times we get calls that do not benefit us.  No one remembers those because we win. or have been winning. Also...some things that are ACTUAL CORRECT CALLS....get thrown into the bucket of "KC wins on controversial calls"....when there was nothing controversial about the call.

 

A couple of those examples would be the AFCCG against the Bengals in a tie game late, the Bengals clearly unmistakabley shoved Mahomes WELL after he was out of bounds...like by at least 3 steps...the refs flagged it....it was a claear cut penalty....it was "Controversial" becuase it happend with like 20 seconds left in the 4th quarter and played a big part in KC being in FG range to win the game.  That isn't an unfair call, or controversial, or rigged...it was an egregious penalty.

 

And who could forget the PI VS the eagles last time the Chiefs played them in the SB.  The DB got a fistful of jersey and stretched it out.  That's a penalty....it happened with 2 minutes left in the game and contributed to KC being able to run the clock down before kicking the GW FG.  ....but it was an obvious penalty...the DB said as much after the game...but yet it's "controversial". "rigged" and so on.  Same game...no one talks about the Smashing hit Bolton put on the RB who fumbled and he returned it for a TD only be called an incomplete pass.....

 

I can point out plenty of bad calls that didn't go KCs way. 

 

But....I othewsie agree....I would prefer these calls were not part of the games...I'd rather the outcomes be 100% about the play on the field, the players and the coaches.  The NFL needs to find better ways to officiate games.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Frankly, if things are this rigged, why would we say we were out coached? 
 

What if they knew our plays and audibles? What if the reason Allen was so shook on the 1st drive was because the Chiefs knew our script? 
 

Who’s to say it begins and ends with the refs? 

Bills were NOT outcoached.

 

They played a great game.  Most points at Arrowhead all year by a Chiefs opponent. 

 

It's one turnover that doomed the Bills.  The Bills lost the turnover battle, but didn't cause the turnover, the Refs did.

 

Turnover on downs that was made 1st down on 3rd & 3.

[Zerovoltz]

3 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Frankly, if things are this rigged, why would we say we were out coached? 
 

What if they knew our plays and audibles? What if the reason Allen was so shook on the 1st drive was because the Chiefs knew our script? 
 

Who’s to say it begins and ends with the refs? 

This rigged narrative is ....something....

 

WHY would the other 31 owners want to participate in having the Chiefs win by rigging things so they do? 

IF the other 31 teams think rigging is going on and not wanting to partcipate in it...why do they allow it to continue?

WHY would you, if you are rigging things...set it up so one of your smallest markets is the big time team?  Wouldn't Kroenke or the NY folks or Jerry in Dallas want to rig some of this in their favor?  

Wouldn't Terry and Kim make a case that they are building an expensive stadium, and it's their turn for some rigging to go their way?  

How does this all work and why?

 

The Refs suck.  They do.  KC benefits from some bad calls....but to say it's all rigged....for KC?  ....come on.

[ExiledInIllinois]

13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Staratore, Blandino, Nantz, Romo all agreed he got the 1st. 

I think it's safe to say that every fanbase besides KC feel this way.  This "gentle massaging" of games has been going on since the start of Brady's career. 

Yeah... AND my old man complained the Dolphins got the breaks in the 1970s because Shula sat on the competition board along with the Refs...

 

NFL is joke since crook Halas swindled Buffalo out of the 1st NFL Championship:

 

Crooked since it's inception:

 

 

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

This rigged narrative is ....something....

 

WHY would the other 31 owners want to participate in having the Chiefs win by rigging things so they do? 

IF the other 31 teams think rigging is going on and not wanting to partcipate in it...why do they allow it to continue?

WHY would you, if you are rigging things...set it up so one of your smallest markets is the big time team?  Wouldn't Kroenke or the NY folks or Jerry in Dallas want to rig some of this in their favor?  

Wouldn't Terry and Kim make a case that they are building an expensive stadium, and it's their turn for some rigging to go their way?  

How does this all work and why?

 

The Refs suck.  They do.  KC benefits from some bad calls....but to say it's all rigged....for KC?  ....come on.

It's not openly rigged like that.  Games are messaged for $$$.

 

Watch commissioner hug Chris Jones after the game:

 

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/sketchy-footage-has-social-media-erupting-over-roger-goodells-fishy-behavior-towards-kansas-city-chiefs-player/

Goodell is caught saying: "I don't care about how you do it."  Chris Jones just goes: "Whooa!" and chuckles.

 

The Chiefs, just given Carte Blanche to live within the gray areas of the rules!!!

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

I agree with all of what you say EXCEPT the highlighted.....

 

As a Chiefs fan, I am biased of course....but as a Chiefs fan, the part that frustrates me is that we AGREE the refs suck.  I will agree we get bad calls that go in our favor.  What bothers me is no one notices or cares about all the times we get calls that do not benefit us.  No one remembers those because we win. or have been winning. Also...some things that are ACTUAL CORRECT CALLS....get thrown into the bucket of "KC wins on controversial calls"....when there was nothing controversial about the call.

 

A couple of those examples would be the AFCCG against the Bengals in a tie game late, the Bengals clearly unmistakabley shoved Mahomes WELL after he was out of bounds...like by at least 3 steps...the refs flagged it....it was a claear cut penalty....it was "Controversial" becuase it happend with like 20 seconds left in the 4th quarter and played a big part in KC being in FG range to win the game.  That isn't an unfair call, or controversial, or rigged...it was an egregious penalty.

 

And who could forget the PI VS the eagles last time the Chiefs played them in the SB.  The DB got a fistful of jersey and stretched it out.  That's a penalty....it happened with 2 minutes left in the game and contributed to KC being able to run the clock down before kicking the GW FG.  ....but it was an obvious penalty...the DB said as much after the game...but yet it's "controversial". "rigged" and so on.  Same game...no one talks about the Smashing hit Bolton put on the RB who fumbled and he returned it for a TD only be called an incomplete pass.....

 

I can point out plenty of bad calls that didn't go KCs way. 

 

But....I othewsie agree....I would prefer these calls were not part of the games...I'd rather the outcomes be 100% about the play on the field, the players and the coaches.  The NFL needs to find better ways to officiate games.

 

 

The statement I saw on social media recently that I agreed with is: It's not the AMOUNT of calls that help the Chiefs vs those that go against them. It's the MOMENTS those calls seem to routinely be made. It's often in high leverage, game-changing moments that the Chiefs get a call, and I think that's what really infuriates people.

It's not that they get more calls than anyone else (although they literally HAVE been penalized far less frequently in the playoffs than their opponents, as shown in the Tweet below). Some of their being less penalized can be explained by them being more detail-oriented and paying attention to detail. But not all of it. Surely you must agree that the splits of how many penalties the Chiefs get in the playoffs vs their opponents is pretty....suspect? Like...c'mon, man!
 

But again: more so than the amount of calls that go in the Chiefs favor is the moments in which they happen. They seem far more often than not to be the beneficiary of absolutely game-changing calls. Certainly at a more frequent clip than any other team, particularly THIS season.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

 

Goodell saying: "You helped us..."

[Zerovoltz]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

The statement I saw on social media recently that I agreed with is: It's not the AMOUNT of calls that help the Chiefs vs those that go against them. It's the MOMENTS those calls seem to routinely be made. It's often in high leverage, game-changing moments that the Chiefs get a call, and I think that's what really infuriates people.

It's not that they get more calls than anyone else (although they literally HAVE been penalized far less frequently in the playoffs than their opponents, as shown in the Tweet below). Some of their being less penalized can be explained by them being more detail-oriented and paying attention to detail. But not all of it. Surely you must agree that the splits of how many penalties the Chiefs get in the playoffs vs their opponents is pretty....suspect? Like...c'mon, man!
 

But again: more so than the amount of calls that go in the Chiefs favor is the moments in which they happen. They seem far more often than not to be the beneficiary of absolutely game-changing calls. Certainly at a more frequent clip than any other team, particularly THIS season.

There is likely a king of the moutain factor in play sure....Jordan got calls...Brady certainly did...Le Bron.....so if you want say KC gets the benefit of the doubt because it's the Chiefs, Mahomes, and Ried...I'll buy that.  I would add to that, that bad teams DO NOT get calls....and probalby draw more flags for having the reputation of being bad teams.

 

I will not agree it's rigged.  ....and as I have poitned out...not every late, pivotal call is some out of knowwhere flag...some are acutal bad penalties..commited by the other team at bad times.

 

....but as it pertains to the Bills...the 4th down call...is the big call of the game...did he make it?  I can't 100% say he did.  If you asked me to look the video and make my best gues..I'd say he likely got the ball over the line at some point....and if that was the other way around...I'd be as pissed off as you guys are about it.  ...but it was a close call and you are leaving it up to a ref to make a judgement.  

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

.....regarding the 4th down play....

 

Let's assume it's called a 1st down.  No one knows what happens after that......but the case is made it was a game altering play.  Fine.  I concede that it was a pivotal moment in the game and that it's possible the Bills go on to score 3,7 or 8.  

 

But, If you are going to call that a pivotal play becuase of the unkown "what might have happend" then you have to consider that the Worthy catch probably ended up working out in the Bills favor right?  If that is ruled incomplete, insted of 1st and goal at the 5, it's first and 10 at the 20 instead (due to holding on Hamlin). KC MAYBE (we don't know what happens for sure) runs quite a bit more clock out before socring a TD to go up 21-10 and the Bills don't have the time to get the TD before halftime.

 

I am not saying that is what would happen and I am not trying to diminish the importance of the 4th down call when it happend.  I am simply saying, at that particular time and spot in the game, it's not the game changer that for example, the Rams Saints missed PI was when that happend..literally cost the Saints the game for sure.

 

Also....it's noteworthy to me that there were 4 Bills fumbles in this game and the Bills recovered all 4.  No one here has mentioned it at all....and how lucky/improbable it is to have 4 fumbles and recover all 4.  The Chiefs had 1 fumble and it was also recovered by the Bills.  I get it...those aren't on the refs....but they are potential game changing plays.  

 

Last...it has been menioned several times the Bills had the ball with 3 Timeout and 3 plus minutes left with a chance to win or tie.  If you were offered that scenario before the game started, would you take that shot?  With Josh Allen at QB?  I would think Bills fans would take their chances with the ball, 3 minutes plus, 3 TO left and down 3.  That's the time to shine.

 

And finally one last thing....13 seconds may well have been it.  Allen was heroic that game and would have/should have been a champion that year if not for the complete collapse that happend which had nothing to do with Allen.  He was awesome and clutch that game.

 

Let's agree to disagree then.  There was yard shaving going on the entire game regarding the Bills. At one point Romo was about to call them out on it and his mic mysteriously just cut out.

 

Coincidence? Doubtful.

 

Forget 4th down, that play should have never even happened because it was abundantly clear the play before was even MORE of a first down.

 

But let's go to the 4th down call---how the f**k does the official with a CLEAR VIEW OF THE BALL who has it marked as a first down cede his spot to the official who could only see Allen's back and no view of the ball?  It doesn't even make any goddamned sense! It's like the official running in was like "oh, sorry...forgot about what we are supposed to be doing on these plays! No, no...you are right even tho you couldn't even see the ball!"

 

Nantz and Romo both think it's a first down, Gene Steratore, CBS Rules Analyst thinks it's a first down, Dean Blandino, Rules Analyst for Fox thinks it's a first down, all of America watching other than Chief fans(and if they are being honest, at least half of them think he got it too) thinks it's a first down!  But the refs, with clear visual evidence of the tip of the ball being over the line claims it isn't a first down.  

 

You want to come in here and try and gaslight us and try and tell us this isn't happening when I was aware of it in real-time as the game was going on by the early 3rd quarter as it kept happening, you can go kick rocks.

 

If you expect me to believe the officials somehow forgot how to spot the ball properly all game long for one team just by happenstance and it happened to be this game when I haven't seen that at all in the 40+ prior years I've watched this team, it's falling on deaf ears. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 09:57 PM by Big Turk

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

....but as it pertains to the Bills...the 4th down call...is the big call of the game...did he make it?  I can't 100% say he did.  If you asked me to look the video and make my best gues..I'd say he likely got the ball over the line at some point....and if that was the other way around...I'd be as pissed off as you guys are about it.  ...but it was a close call and you are leaving it up to a ref to make a judgement.  

Well...I think this is an easily fixable issue.

It's absolutely infuriating to know that the NFL has the technology RIGHT NOW to put chips in footballs and make the answer to the "line to gain" question a scientific certainty, but chooses not to do so because they like the "television drama" of the chain gang.

It's also absolutely infuriating that a league that makes as much money as the NFL -- and which is in bed with sports gambling, no less -- CHOOSES not to have full time officials, when everyone and their mother can see that they're necessary. Hire full time officials. Subject them to punishments, fines, demotion, or relegation for repeated bad calls. Reward them financially or via promotion for consistently well called games.

It's not an unfixable problem, the NFL is just too stingy, stubborn, and arrogant to do what everyone can see needs to be done. It won't surprise me if this game ultimately helps lead to chips in footballs, but that doesn't really help the 2024 Buffalo Bills, now does it?

Repeated bad calls all year long that seem to favor one team over all others + the NFL's refusal to do anything about the obvious officiating problem + the NFL doing nothing to dissuade people of the notion that they prioritize entertainment value and money over the integrity of the game (by not chipping the balls) = all-time high levels of distrust in NFL officiating among the general viewing public.

When a league so clearly demonstrates via MULTIPLE ACTIONS and lack of actions that it considers itself an entertainment enterprise first and foremost, and prioritizes profit above all else...can you really blame people for being suspicious of the innocence/purity of these repeated missed calls? Or suspecting that the league is, at times, putting its thumb on the scales to ensure the best possible viewing and profit outcome for themselves (like, ya know, a three-peat attempt and Taylor Swift in the press box and potentially kissing a player under the falling confetti?). 

Edited Friday at 09:48 PM by Logic

[quincy]

 

We got James Cook, Beane and McDermott taking the loss on the chin, compared to the above.

[Zerovoltz]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

Well...I think this is an easily fixable issue.

It's absolutely infuriating to know that the NFL has the technology RIGHT NOW to put chips in footballs and make the answer to the "line to gain" question a scientific certainty, but chooses not to do so because they like the "television drama" of the chain gang.

It's also absolutely infuriating that a league that makes as much money as the NFL -- and which is in bed with sports gambling, no less -- CHOOSES not to have full time officials, when everyone and their mother can see that they're necessary. Hire full time officials. Subject them to punishments, fines, demotion, or relegation for repeated bad calls. Reward them financially via promotion for consistently well called games.

It's not an unfixable problem, the NFL is just too stingy, stubborn, and arrogant to do what everyone can see needs to be done. It won't surprise me if this game ultimately helps lead to chips in footballs, but that doesn't really help the 2024 Buffalo Bills, now does it?

Repeated bad calls all year long that seem to favor one team over all others + the NFL's refusal to do anything about the obvious officiating problem + the NFL doing nothing to dissuade people of the notion that they value entertainment value and money over the integrity of the game (by not chipping the balls) = all-time high levels of distrust in NFL officiating among the general viewing public.

When a league so clearly demonstrates via MULTIPLE ACTIONS and lack of actions that it considers itself an entertainment enterprise first and foremost, and prioritizes profit above all else...can you really blame people for being suspicious of the innocence/purity of these repeated missed calls? For suspecting that the league is, at times, putting its thumb on the scales to ensure the best possible viewing and profit outcome for themselves (like, ya know, a three-peat attempt and Taylor Swift in the press box and potentially kissing a player under the falling confetti?). 

I agree they need to fix the problems.  They almost rolled out the chipped ball thing this year but didn't think they had it quite ready or something...it's comeing very soon.

 

The full time ref thing...I understand the argument...but I am not sure the answer is ONLY to make these same guys full time refs...probably need to make them full time AND have a high standard of vetting and continuous training and testing these guys.  ....need to be in good health..need good vision...need to be tested constantly on rulebook and they should have to have severall ALL HANDS ON DECK conferences where they review controversial plays and discuss and determine the right call etc...and same for missed calls that teams protest about.  ....and even if you do all that...trying to determine in real time, at the speeds these things go....is STILL going t o be hard to do.  

[Big Turk]

35 minutes ago, Logic said:

The statement I saw on social media recently that I agreed with is: It's not the AMOUNT of calls that help the Chiefs vs those that go against them. It's the MOMENTS those calls seem to routinely be made. It's often in high leverage, game-changing moments that the Chiefs get a call, and I think that's what really infuriates people.

It's not that they get more calls than anyone else (although they literally HAVE been penalized far less frequently in the playoffs than their opponents, as shown in the Tweet below). Some of their being less penalized can be explained by them being more detail-oriented and paying attention to detail. But not all of it. Surely you must agree that the splits of how many penalties the Chiefs get in the playoffs vs their opponents is pretty....suspect? Like...c'mon, man!
 

But again: more so than the amount of calls that go in the Chiefs favor is the moments in which they happen. They seem far more often than not to be the beneficiary of absolutely game-changing calls. Certainly at a more frequent clip than any other team, particularly THIS season.

 

Now it's gotten to the point the refs can't even f**king spot the ball properly for their opponent for some reason.

[Zerovoltz]

1 minute ago, quincy said:

 

We got James Cook, Beane and McDermott taking the loss on the chin, compared to the above.

I am not that big a fan of "only losers complain about refs"

 

Sports is often a reflection of real life...and in real life...we all have been involved in something at some point where we got totally screwed and things were decidedly unfair.....and that is entirely worth complaining about and taking action to make thnings better.  In real life I don't recall having lost out on something with unfair circumstances and saying to myself...welp....i'll just shut up about it because only losers complain about things that aren't fair.  ...hell no...I made sure people knew that I was given unfair treamtment and that it was BS.....it is normal...even expected that when these things happen....that there will be LOUD, complaints.