Hard to beat the Chiefs and the refs every post-season

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.

 

KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.

 

It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs.  And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.

 

And after all, it's human nature to favor your friends in difficult situations, whether you realize you're doing it or not.  For instance, I'm watching the 4th and 1 play in the mic'd up video, and as soon as the play is over, the Chiefs are so animated about stopping us short; they have NO DOUBT.  I didn't see that from the Bills, even though we clearly DID get the first down.  These guys are in the refs heads whether the refs are aware of it or not!  They are doing this right in front of the refs.  And yes, I know that happens a lot anyway, and I know the refs are "professionals" and trained to be neutral, not swayed by the players/coaches, etc, but when you look at how friendly these guys are with the refs before the game, and if you think back to a situation in your own life when your best friend is making their case to you about something important, aren't you typically biased toward them?  In contrast, if a JAG (let's say) is in your ear about getting a call wrong, who cares?  Who's that person to you anyway?  Doesn't quite have the same weight as Mahomes being upset, does it?  (from the ref's perspective)

 

The ONE time I recall the Chiefs experiencing a decisive call that did NOT go in their favor was the Kadarius Toney "offensive Offside".  And even though it was the correct call, we all saw Mahomes throw a tantrum on the sidelines and continue this hissy fit during the post-game press conference.  It reminded me of, dare I say, someone that had just been betrayed by a good friend?  And was in complete and utter shock that this friend actually had the nerve to do it?  

 

Could it be, that ever since that incident, these refs decided they did not want to cross the Chiefs again?  They did not want to interfere with "greatness" again?  Boy, I mean, if PATRICK MAHOMES is treating you like his best buddy, wouldn't you feel honored?  Wouldn't you feel, maybe even slightly (because that's all it takes) that you don't want to be the one to let him down?  Or Kelce?  Or Swift?   Or hell, maybe even Chris Jones?

 

I just think, if this was being done purposely, the optics would be a little different.   Instead, these terrible calls seem to come in the form of being favored any time there is a "borderline" call.  And even when reviewed, they refuse to overturn it, especially in the playoffs.  

 

Listen, something is obviously going on here, because it 100% can't be coincidence that throughout this entire season, every decisive flag thrown by a referee has gone against the Chiefs opponent and NOT ONE has gone against the Chiefs.  It just has to go both ways sometimes, but it doesn't?  But does that mean they are intentionally rigging it?  I just don't know.  To me, it seems more realistic that they're doing it subconsciously, but the Chiefs, on the other hand, are fully aware of what they are doing and they are 100% intentional about going out of their way to buddy up with these refs...

I think the whole thing is strange. It's not just as simple as the Chiefs are so much greater than everyone else. It's mathematically defying. Just a warning expect to get called a crybaby.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3:30 mentions the Bills

Edited 22 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

That play was enormous. Jusy think how the game and post game narrative would have been different. Potential 9 point lead, but at least a 4 point lead. Everything changes.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

14 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

3:30 mentions the Bills

Good to see that some people are actually calling it what it is. It doesn't make you a crazy crybaby to call this out. Not as simple as it's the Bills fault for not making a foot.

[Fleezoid]

35 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.

 

KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.

 

It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs.  And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.

 

 

 

It's very easy for me to believe that at least one ref is intentially making those calls.

[ShakAttack]

2 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

It's very easy for me to believe that at least one ref is intentially making those calls.

Could be a combo of both too, I suppose. Whatever it is, the scary thing to me is this is going to be hard to fix.

 

Just hope it won’t be as blatant once this “historic 3-peat” season is over with.

 

if they get the 3 peat, lets move on.

 

if they don’t get it, well then, gotta start from 1 like the rest of us anyway. 

[SunDSolar]

1 hour ago, ShakAttack said:

As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.

 

 

What stood out to me watching the NFL micd up was the ref seeking out Mahomes to talk about his botched spike..  laughing it up with the KC sideline.

 

Knowing this TD was directly what followed the 4th and 1 botched call by the refs really really bothered me

[ToGoGo]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

This is exactly what I was saying...it wasn't just on that one 3rd or 4th down play, it was throughout the night.  Nantz was incredulous by the 3rd quarter as to why the refs kept marking the Bills short when he would call first down.  Happened at least 7 or 8 times. Never seen that happen as frequently as that game...it was ridiculous.

What really sketches me out about it was that THIS was the game that our tush push was figured out. 
 

The game that everything was wrongly called short of a 1st down. 
 

What a coincidence. Just like 2020 AFC Championship happened to be the game that the refs stopped calling defensive holding. How fortunate for the Chiefs! How lucky! 

5 hours ago, ShakAttack said:

As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.

 

KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.

 

It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs.  And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.

 

And after all, it's human nature to favor your friends in difficult situations, whether you realize you're doing it or not.  For instance, I'm watching the 4th and 1 play in the mic'd up video, and as soon as the play is over, the Chiefs are so animated about stopping us short; they have NO DOUBT.  I didn't see that from the Bills, even though we clearly DID get the first down.  These guys are in the refs heads whether the refs are aware of it or not!  They are doing this right in front of the refs.  And yes, I know that happens a lot anyway, and I know the refs are "professionals" and trained to be neutral, not swayed by the players/coaches, etc, but when you look at how friendly these guys are with the refs before the game, and if you think back to a situation in your own life when your best friend is making their case to you about something important, aren't you typically biased toward them?  In contrast, if a JAG (let's say) is in your ear about getting a call wrong, who cares?  Who's that person to you anyway?  Doesn't quite have the same weight as Mahomes being upset, does it?  (from the ref's perspective)

 

The ONE time I recall the Chiefs experiencing a decisive call that did NOT go in their favor was the Kadarius Toney "offensive Offside".  And even though it was the correct call, we all saw Mahomes throw a tantrum on the sidelines and continue this hissy fit during the post-game press conference.  It reminded me of, dare I say, someone that had just been betrayed by a good friend?  And was in complete and utter shock that this friend actually had the nerve to do it?  

 

Could it be, that ever since that incident, these refs decided they did not want to cross the Chiefs again?  They did not want to interfere with "greatness" again?  Boy, I mean, if PATRICK MAHOMES is treating you like his best buddy, wouldn't you feel honored?  Wouldn't you feel, maybe even slightly (because that's all it takes) that you don't want to be the one to let him down?  Or Kelce?  Or Swift?   Or hell, maybe even Chris Jones?

 

I just think, if this was being done purposely, the optics would be a little different.   Instead, these terrible calls seem to come in the form of being favored any time there is a "borderline" call.  And even when reviewed, they refuse to overturn it, especially in the playoffs.  

 

Listen, something is obviously going on here, because it 100% can't be coincidence that throughout this entire season, every decisive flag thrown by a referee has gone against the Chiefs opponent and NOT ONE has gone against the Chiefs.  It just has to go both ways sometimes, but it doesn't?  But does that mean they are intentionally rigging it?  I just don't know.  To me, it seems more realistic that they're doing it subconsciously, but the Chiefs, on the other hand, are fully aware of what they are doing and they are 100% intentional about going out of their way to buddy up with these refs...

 

I’ve seen games where Reid ignores refs and Mahomes bumps into their shoulders as he walks off the field. I’ve seen Chiefs WRs taunt to the crowd behind a ref as the ref is staring at him two feet away. 
 

There’s a strange disrespect of the officials if you look closely. The way you would dismiss a subordinate. 

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, ShakAttack said:

As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.

 

KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.

 

It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs.  And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.

 

And after all, it's human nature to favor your friends in difficult situations, whether you realize you're doing it or not.  For instance, I'm watching the 4th and 1 play in the mic'd up video, and as soon as the play is over, the Chiefs are so animated about stopping us short; they have NO DOUBT.  I didn't see that from the Bills, even though we clearly DID get the first down.  These guys are in the refs heads whether the refs are aware of it or not!  They are doing this right in front of the refs.  And yes, I know that happens a lot anyway, and I know the refs are "professionals" and trained to be neutral, not swayed by the players/coaches, etc, but when you look at how friendly these guys are with the refs before the game, and if you think back to a situation in your own life when your best friend is making their case to you about something important, aren't you typically biased toward them?  In contrast, if a JAG (let's say) is in your ear about getting a call wrong, who cares?  Who's that person to you anyway?  Doesn't quite have the same weight as Mahomes being upset, does it?  (from the ref's perspective)

 

The ONE time I recall the Chiefs experiencing a decisive call that did NOT go in their favor was the Kadarius Toney "offensive Offside".  And even though it was the correct call, we all saw Mahomes throw a tantrum on the sidelines and continue this hissy fit during the post-game press conference.  It reminded me of, dare I say, someone that had just been betrayed by a good friend?  And was in complete and utter shock that this friend actually had the nerve to do it?  

 

Could it be, that ever since that incident, these refs decided they did not want to cross the Chiefs again?  They did not want to interfere with "greatness" again?  Boy, I mean, if PATRICK MAHOMES is treating you like his best buddy, wouldn't you feel honored?  Wouldn't you feel, maybe even slightly (because that's all it takes) that you don't want to be the one to let him down?  Or Kelce?  Or Swift?   Or hell, maybe even Chris Jones?

 

I just think, if this was being done purposely, the optics would be a little different.   Instead, these terrible calls seem to come in the form of being favored any time there is a "borderline" call.  And even when reviewed, they refuse to overturn it, especially in the playoffs.  

 

Listen, something is obviously going on here, because it 100% can't be coincidence that throughout this entire season, every decisive flag thrown by a referee has gone against the Chiefs opponent and NOT ONE has gone against the Chiefs.  It just has to go both ways sometimes, but it doesn't?  But does that mean they are intentionally rigging it?  I just don't know.  To me, it seems more realistic that they're doing it subconsciously, but the Chiefs, on the other hand, are fully aware of what they are doing and they are 100% intentional about going out of their way to buddy up with these refs...

 

Best part was that it wasn't called until Toney had done it 4 or 5 times at least.  He literally lined up in the same position the first play he was in the game.

Edited 17 hours ago by Big Turk

[Punch]

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

That play was enormous. Jusy think how the game and post game narrative would have been different. Potential 9 point lead, but at least a 4 point lead. Everything changes.

I posted earlier. Potentially a 14 point swing as KC went on to score a TD and the Bills obviously could’ve scored if the drive continued. 

[quincy]

 

Four days later, still being talked about. 

[LABILLBACKER]

29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Best part was that it wasn't called until Toney had done it 4 or 5 times at least.  He literally lined up in the same position the first play he was in the game.

The Chiefs could care less losing to us in the regular season.  It's not an important game to them.

[Supercoupe91]

Kincaid was short spotted. His elbow, to me, put ball inches short of line to gain.  Was spotted around a (ish)yard short.

 

Allen appeared to get it, barely, from there. It was the last angle you could tell, so not surprising they didnt overturn.

 

Cold reality is that he refs just arent very good.  Their slow, they werent ready, and it was all night. Bills should have run right, though, so the slow ref on (closer) bills sideline got to make the call.  Jones was on right, but gassed.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I hope everyone remembers how Mahomes acted during a REGULAR season game because of an apparent “bad” call versus how Josh reacts after a playoff game. 
 

 

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

11 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

So Jim Nantz can tell the spot from a couple hundred feet away instantly.  I’d love to see a video clip of him doing this 7 or 8 times during the game.  
 

Jim Nantz has called 500+ games and clearly he was shocked by these calls.  I have a feeling he can tell whats going on from where he's typically watched these games for over 30 years.

[Low Positive]

There is a massive scandal brewing around gambling and match-fixing in the NBA and college basketball related to prop bets. Am I supposed to believe that the NFL is somehow immune? Note the source is SI, not heavy.com.

 

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/sources-widespread-investigation-underway-into-alleged-game-fixing-in-nba-college-basketball

[Amaru523]

I live in the Seattle area and I've been listening to local talk sports radio while driving at work all week and they all think we got screwed. Even Mike Holmgren thinks we got the shaft and he's good friends with Andy Reid. One guy said...."can you imagine if the Chiefs win the SB and get help from the refs, we'll be having these same conversations, but they'll be laced with crack".

Edited 14 hours ago by Amaru523

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Don’t let this die. The NFL needs to be fixed for future games. Boycott the SB 

 

 

1 hour ago, Amaru523 said:

I live in the Seattle area and I've been listening to local talk sports radio while driving at work all week and they all think we got screwed. Even Mike Holmgren thinks we got the shaft and he's good friends with Andy Reid. One guy said...."can you imagine if the Chiefs win the SB and get help from the refs, we'll be having these same conversations, but they'll be laced with crack".

Honestly, I hope they do. I hope they win it on a terrible call to bring even more light to the situation. People are fed up. Even if I was Chiefs fan I would be upset as I would want my team to win fair & square. That team is approaching Patriots level of asterisks 

[Punch]

I've lived in Northern Virginia for 15 years, and although I know a handful of Bills fans in the area, I'm primarily surrounded by fans of other teams. Unequivocally, the feeling amongst those fans and as far as I can tell, commenter's online and on TV is that the Bills didn't get a fair shot. That's as even keeled as I can put it, but regardless, the sentiment doesn't help... at all.