Pass catcher is still our #1 need

[Simon]

Just now, warrior9 said:

Actually saw it 30 seconds prior to opening this and thought it was a bush league post by you. Saw your post of you crying about Cooper.  Now you get defensive haha amazing. Wait, here you go. Let me know if you need more  

 

 

Making an ass of yourself doesn't really accomplish your goal of "getting" me, but it is entertaining to watch for a bit.

 

[DapperCam]

When Mack Hollins is your most effective receiving threat, you’ve got issues.

[warrior9]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Making an ass of yourself doesn't really accomplish your goal of "getting" me, but it is entertaining to watch for a bit.

 

Ahh the ole victim play.. Does the janitor still need some help? I still have some more for you:

 

They may run out soon but I have plenty. 

Edited Monday at 04:09 PM by warrior9

[JP51]

12 hours ago, Seventeen said:

 

Not sure I want any of them back except for Taron and Beneford

This quote on the surface sounds extreme... but I will say this Von. Jones, Oliver, Epenesa, Groot, Douglas every safety that started for us, Williams and Milano underwhelmed.... Taron and Benford were keys, Bernard with his salary was a net plus... other than that... they could upgrade everyone about every where including every Defensive coach we have starting with Babich. 

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, JP51 said:

This quote on the surface sounds extreme... but I will say this Von. Jones, Oliver, Epenesa, Groot, Douglas every safety that started for us, Williams and Milano underwhelmed.... Taron and Benford were keys, Bernard with his salary was a net plus... other than that... they could upgrade everyone about every where including every Defensive coach we have starting with Babich. 

 

Lots of people salty about the lack of pro bowlers and all-pro sections on this roster, but when you look at it, particularly the defensive side, who are the real stand-out talents on this team?

 

A fully healthy Benford? Healthy Milano and Bernard? This team spent a lot of draft capital on the defense and doesn't have a whole lot to show for it and the worse part, is that those picks were at the expense of the offense.  

 

No way am I paying Groot anywhere near top DE money. Guy spent more time on the ground yesterday than upright.

Edited Monday at 04:18 PM by Billz4ever

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It’s not even close. The problem is the defense. Been for 6 years. Our offense is the only reason we win. It’s plain as day. Every single issue with this team is the defense. 

Insanity is dumping more draft resources into that side. Keep juicing up the offense. "Diminished returns" comes to mind with defense.

 

It's an offensive league with the rules, instead of fighting it. Go with it. Doesn't mean neglect that D, but our draft and FA strategy needs to lean 60/40 to offense or even 70/30

[JP51]

5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Lots of people salty about the lack of pro bowlers and all-pro sections on this roster, but when you look at it, particularly the defensive side, who are the real stand-out talents on this team?

 

A fully healthy Benford? Healthy Milano and Bernard? This team spent a lot of draft capital on the defense and doesn't have a whole lot to show for it and the worse part, is that those picks were at the expense of the offense.  

 

No way am I paying Groot anywhere near top DE money. Guy spent more time on the ground yesterday than upright.

Spot on here... not only that... but in the end, forget Pro Bowlers per se... this Defense has no leader, no guy that the other team has to game plan around... and they certainly dont come on like a pack of wild no name dogs that you have to fight every one of them... they pretty much just grab their ankles and you need to run routes and avoid their a$$es... 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

21 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Insanity is dumping more draft resources into that side. Keep juicing up the offense. "Diminished returns" comes to mind with defense.

 

It's an offensive league with the rules, instead of fighting it. Go with it. Doesn't mean neglect that D, but our draft and FA strategy needs to lean 60/40 to offense or even 70/30

We score at will. Every year. Our offense is elite. We can’t stop anyone. That’s why we can’t win the Super Bowl. I want a new DC. I want an entirely new defense. We already have no issue scoring. Never forcing other teams to punt is the issue. Mahomes and Burrow are almost laughing at how Easy it is playing against us. You think Allen is comfortable against KC?

Edited Monday at 04:41 PM by Brianmoorman4jesus

[BillsVet]

24 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Second worst case is they outplay what we can pay them and they get a hefty deal and factor into comp formula.

Then you pay in free agency at the position and accept it for what it is. Don't pass up obvious pass catchers in draft, put consciously decide to spend more $$ at the position, and use draft capital to keep the positions we scout well to save money elsewhere 

 

It's easy to just say throw more resources at those offensive positions...but this organization is poor surrounding Josh with elite WR talent either via UFA or the draft.   Besides, it's not a priority on game-day either.  Their passing attack seemed basic, relied on lesser (slower) players and was over-matched yesterday.

 

Nothing short of a complete overhaul from offensive philosophy/scheme to personnel to game-planning will work.  There is no easy fix to this.  

[GoBills808]

sure that and a real OC

 

in the most important game of the season we actually called EZ fade to Coleman vs McDuffie lol

 

we were reduced to Hail Mary on the final play of the AFCCG

 

that's not good

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We score at will. Every year. Our offense is elite. We can’t stop anyone. That’s why we can’t win the Super Bowl. I want a new DC. I want an e turkey new defense. We already have no issue scoring. Never forcing other teams to punt is the issue. Mahomes and Burrow are almost laughing at how Easy it is playing against us. You think Allen is comfortable against KC?

nobody is as comfortable as they are playing vs us

[C.Biscuit97]

I think crazy outfit Mack is ready to be a #1 next year!!!

 

I agree it showed up big time. But this is the position we are in with the amount of money Allen makes. The Chiefs are going for their third straight SB after trading Hill. 
 

but yes, multiple picks in the draft for wr is needed. 

[Simon]

19 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Ahh the ole victim play.. Does the janitor still need some help? I still have some more for you:

 

They may run out soon but I have plenty. 

 

The fact that you desperately want to get me but the best you can do is repetitively compare a simple statement about Cooper with hundreds of posts crying about referees is very embarrassing for you whether you know it or not. 🤷‍♂️

I'm going to step out of this so it doesn't sidetrack the thread further; you should do the same before you add stalking to your sparkling resume. 

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Spot on here... not only that... but in the end, forget Pro Bowlers per se... this Defense has no leader, no guy that the other team has to game plan around... and they certainly dont come on like a pack of wild no name dogs that you have to fight every one of them... they pretty much just grab their ankles and you need to run routes and avoid their a$$es... 

 

It all starts up front. 

 

Until we get a D-Line that can consistently control the LOS and generate pressure, we will also ultimately continue to have problems at LB and the secondary no matter who is back there even if some of those guys are pretty good (Benford, Milano, Bernard).

 

 

 

[JP51]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

 

It all starts up front. 

 

Until we get a D-Line that can consistently control the LOS and generate pressure, we will also ultimately continue to have problems at LB and the secondary no matter who is back there even if some of those guys are pretty good (Benford, Milano, Bernard).

 

 

 

Agreed... never generated 4 man pressure, never kept OL off of our LBs and safeties... no one on D that is the game wrecking molding that helps cover deficiencies. 

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We entered the past two offseasons desperately needing more pass catchers. Well here we are again. Coleman was a non-factor. Samuel dropped a catch, tougher than it needed to be but still a play there to be made. The final play of the game a pass catcher let us down. The more I think about it the more disgusted I am.

 

Hopefully Beane has finally learned that he needs to OVER invest in pass catchers. The only way we're winning a Super Bowl under this regime is with an offense that can completely steamroll the competition. We need someone other than Allen that can make the clutch play at the end. No more half measures. Go all in on giving Allen an offensive cast worthy of his talent.

Add to that, we need bigger stronger faster guys on the defense too, 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

oook, so he was better in every way, but definitely not better, got it.

You said he contributed far more than Coleman which is objectively false. If you want to argue that his per snap production being a rounding error higher than Coleman's suggests Worthy is a slam dunk and Coleman is a bust, so be it I guess but it's a silly take.

 

If you simply think Worthy will continue to improve, Coleman will not, and as a result, Worthy will ultimately be a much better player long-term, I'm not going to argue you on that. But they were essentially equals as rookies; both okay but not as good as some of their peers (Nabers, Harrison, Thomas, McConkey, etc.) Then again, they were two of the youngest WRs in the draft and both considered to be raw so they never should have been expected to outperform more finished products like McConkey in their rookie season.

[Billsatlastin2018]

EVERYBODY eats during the Season.

NOBODY wins the Championship!

[NewEra]

Meanwhile- we give up 32 points to a team that hadn’t scored that much all season.

 

I’ll take a stud pass rusher over a stud WR. 

 

[DCOrange]

@GunnerBill Where are you at in your scouting process right now? Curious if you have some guys you already like/some guys you've circled to keep an eye on but haven't really finished scouting yet. I haven't seriously scouted the WRs at all this year, but just from watching some of the games on TV, Xavier Restrepo is one guy that I could easily see outplaying his draft position. But I know he's been comped by some to Khalil Shakir which obviously implies maybe too redundant of a skillset.

 

The homer in me wouldn't mind seeing Jackson Meeks as a Day 3 pick.

 

[Billsatlastin2018]

32 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Spot on here... not only that... but in the end, forget Pro Bowlers per se... this Defense has no leader, no guy that the other team has to game plan around... and they certainly dont come on like a pack of wild no name dogs that you have to fight every one of them... they pretty much just grab their ankles and you need to run routes and avoid their a$$es... 

 

Well, you need at least one of the other:

1) Big, fast, strong, mad pass rushing dogs up front;

OR

 

2) multiple Sauce coverage in the back!

 

This team has NEITHER!

It’s not by accident, none of them were All Pro selections. Simply,not good enough anywhere and everywhere!