Pass catcher is still our #1 need

[Pete]

We have failed to replace John Brown year after year.  This team is desperate for a vertical threat

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Go big and sign Tee Higgins. Or trade for Metcalf if Seattle has realized they are in purgatory with Geno Smith. 

 

I don't think Higgins will be an option. He's been (surprisingly) pretty open about wanting to stay in Cincinnati and is reportedly willing to take less to do it. And Cincinnati is 50m under the cap before any restructures. I also worry that as good as he looks, that without a Ja'Marr Chase on the other side - he might be a different player. But if he does hit the market and we can get it done, by all means.

 

Outside of Higgins, another game changing addition would be Chris Godwin. He's coming off an Ankle Dislocation that came in October which is a concern. But he's 28 years old and an absolute monster. Beyond Higgins and Godwin - there isn't much beyond aging stars like DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, and, um, well... Stefon Diggs.

 

DK Metcalf is definitely something we should be all over. If he's available. He's been talked about for years and it's seems like they never want to move him. And prevailing thought from analysts is that the Seahawks won't be looking to rebuild this year. So like every year, we'll have to see.

 

A couple WR's that I think will be on the Trade Marker are Deebo Samuel and Garrett Wilson. Deebo was basically told it was his last year after the long term deal was given to Brandon Aiyuk after Christian McCaffrey and Ricky Pearsall was Drafted in Round 1. I could easily see him being someone they'd be interested in.

 

Wilson is going to be looking for a new contract soon and the Jets are in clear rebuild mode. Idk that he would want to stick around for it and the assets they could get for him could be intriguing to the Jets in their rebuild. Though I don't know that they'd trade him in the division. 

 

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

And then take one of those 1st or 2nd round WRs, and then another one in rounds 3-5. Even if those moves blow up all their other free agency and draft plans I think that is the only chance we have of getting over the hump.

 

If we made a big move, especially a trade which would require using a top pick (and probably more), I don't think they'd be spending a top pick on a WR and definitely wouldn't be doubling down. Whether we should or not.

 

Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, and Curtis Samuel aren't going anywhere. You could def make an argument that we should move on from Samuel. But the out in his contract isn't until after next season. We'd be eating 11+m in Dead Cap to cut him. But maybe we could move him as part of a trade.

 

Then there's Mack Hollins who has developed a rapport with Josh and they surely will look to re-sign him. Add a stud from the list above plus the 4 I expect will be here and that's your 5. Maybe we carry 6 and take a guy. But it's been 5 for the past couple seasons.

[uticaclub]

8 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Rousseau is arguably our best D-Lineman.

Which isn’t saying much

[SirAndrew]

“Everyone Eats” remember? I agree, we do need a number one pass catcher, but I think these inspirational “culture” mantras have become a toxic excuse for Beane’s failure to draft decent players. 

[I'mBuff]

8 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Or maybe we could just trade for a WR who has multiple 1,000 yard seasons ................ wait we did that!

And proceeded not to use him.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[DCofNC]

9 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Reid clearly knows how to get Worthy in space. Yet not sure he'll ever be a complete WR. 

Great, so is he or is he not contributing FAR more than Coleman?  

[VW82]

Pass catcher is still our #1 need in much the same way DL is our #1 need. 
 

We rotate DL which neutralizes impact. We run the ball a lot which neutralizes pass catching impact. 

[Beck Water]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We entered the past two offseasons desperately needing more pass catchers. Well here we are again. Coleman was a non-factor. Samuel dropped a catch, tougher than it needed to be but still a play there to be made. The final play of the game a pass catcher let us down. The more I think about it the more disgusted I am.

 

Hopefully Beane has finally learned that he needs to OVER invest in pass catchers. The only way we're winning a Super Bowl under this regime is with an offense that can completely steamroll the competition. We need someone other than Allen that can make the clutch play at the end. No more half measures. Go all in on giving Allen an offensive cast worthy of his talent.

 

I thought that was a really tough catch for Kincaid at the end.

 

But doesn't change your point.  When the top receiver in the game for the Bills is Mack Hollins, we need help at receiver.  In the big moment, our guys simply were not clutch.

Edited Monday at 01:10 PM by Beck Water

[Julio Hopkins]

You're going to get another offseason of rebuilding the secondary and the defensive line.  AND YOU'LL LIKE IT!

[Coach Tuesday]

The problem is that it’s actually two problems:  they under-invest in offense and their limited investments underwhelm, because they’re bad evaluators.  

[Pete]

How is that Nico Collins is drafted 3rd round, 89th overall?

Terry McLaurin is drafted in the 3rd, 76th overall.

 

Yet we cannot find WRs who can separate. For the past two seasons, it has been quite obvious that we have been lacking a vertical WR .  Hey Beane- get Josh some help!  No more shopping at the dollar store- use some high picks on WRs who can separate!

[Coach Tuesday]

Running backs drafted by Beane:

 

Singletary

Moss

Cook

Davis

 

Receivers drafted by Beane:

 

Coleman

Shakir

Justin Shorter

Gabe Davis

Isiah Hodgins 

 

There’s your issue.

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Playing devil's advocate here but if that argument works for pass catchers how come it doesn't work for pass rushers?

 

Much easier to find a pass catcher than a pass rusher.  

[DCOrange]

51 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Great, so is he or is he not contributing FAR more than Coleman?  

They were pretty much exactly equals if we're talking about this season. Coleman missed a handful of games, but Worthy averaged 43.6 yards per game to Coleman's 43.4 and if you care more about a per snap basis, Worthy was at 0.98 yards per snap compared to Coleman's 0.94. Essentially the same PFF grade, with Coleman being slightly higher than Worthy (68.8 vs. 65.2).

 

Worthy was better tonight, and Coleman definitely faded down the stretch this season while Worthy improved, but to answer your question, no, Worthy did not contribute far more this season.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

They were pretty much exactly equals if we're talking about this season. Coleman missed a handful of games, but Worthy averaged 43.6 yards per game to Coleman's 43.4 and if you care more about a per snap basis, Worthy was at 0.98 yards per snap compared to Coleman's 0.94. Essentially the same PFF grade, with Coleman being slightly higher than Worthy (68.8 vs. 65.2).

 

Worthy was better tonight, and Coleman definitely faded down the stretch this season while Worthy improved, but to answer your question, no, Worthy did not contribute far more this season.

oook, so he was better in every way, but definitely not better, got it.

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We entered the past two offseasons desperately needing more pass catchers. Well here we are again. Coleman was a non-factor. Samuel dropped a catch, tougher than it needed to be but still a play there to be made. The final play of the game a pass catcher let us down. The more I think about it the more disgusted I am.

 

Hopefully Beane has finally learned that he needs to OVER invest in pass catchers. The only way we're winning a Super Bowl under this regime is with an offense that can completely steamroll the competition. We need someone other than Allen that can make the clutch play at the end. No more half measures. Go all in on giving Allen an offensive cast worthy of his talent.

Not to mention the risk is so minimum at over investing at the position. Josh will get these WRs to or near their ceiling.

 

Worst case in going to the WR well "too much" is cupboards are overstocked, and we have trade bait. Look at the way our WRs have been covered elsewhere.

 

Second worst case is they outplay what we can pay them and they get a hefty deal and factor into comp formula.

12 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

They are not, save for the Josh pick, good evaluators of offensive talent.  And I think there's enough evidence to support that after 8 off-seasons.

 

The team speed thing was glaring...again.  

 

It's going to take a major shift in philosophy to get to the SB with McD.  Sadly, I don't think he'll ever revert from what he is.  It's in his DNA.  Beane needs to look McD in the eye and say your strategy doesn't work.    

Then you pay in free agency at the position and accept it for what it is. Don't pass up obvious pass catchers in draft, put consciously decide to spend more $$ at the position, and use draft capital to keep the positions we scout well to save money elsewhere 

[warrior9]

12 hours ago, Simon said:

The failure to properly assimilate Cooper into the offense was inexcusable

[Simon]

Just now, warrior9 said:

 

Good one.

Really on point for the discussion.

You had to run around looking for a post so that you could have an excuse to put this up.

The fact that this one is the closest you could find makes a very different point than what you want it to.

[Billz4ever]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We entered the past two offseasons desperately needing more pass catchers. Well here we are again. Coleman was a non-factor. Samuel dropped a catch, tougher than it needed to be but still a play there to be made. The final play of the game a pass catcher let us down. The more I think about it the more disgusted I am.

 

Hopefully Beane has finally learned that he needs to OVER invest in pass catchers. The only way we're winning a Super Bowl under this regime is with an offense that can completely steamroll the competition. We need someone other than Allen that can make the clutch play at the end. No more half measures. Go all in on giving Allen an offensive cast worthy of his talent.

 

I have to admit I fell for the Kincaid pick justification we were given and was rolled with it because what else can we do?  Beane sat pat at pick #25 as 4 straight WRs went off the board at 20-23 (Jaxon SN, Quentin Johnson, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison).  Basically, "He's just as good or better than a WR, guys!!!".  and Meanwhile, at the end of year 2 in a Bills uni, Kincaid has underachieved, and is getting clearly outclassed by Sam Laporta taken in the 2nd round.  

[warrior9]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Good one.

Really on point for the discussion.

You had to run around looking for a post so that you could have an excuse to put this up.

The fact that this one is the closest you could find makes a very different point than what you want it to.

Actually saw it 30 seconds prior to opening this and thought it was a bush league post by you. Saw your post of you crying about Cooper.  Now you get defensive haha amazing. Wait, here you go. Let me know if you need more