Pass catcher is still our #1 need

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. He is a big slot. His best asset is his power and agility with ball in hand.

 

We watched the slant God Michael Thomas excell for years at it. That should be who we try and mold Coleman after.

[Simon]

Just now, ghostwriter said:

Samuel too..

 

I'm less troubled by that because I think he was too hurt to actually be a reliable part of the offense most of the year.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Because Andy Reid and Mahomes are too good. Exactly one DL has beaten them in the playoffs. In fact the Bengals beat them by intentionally only rushing 3. They've faced some monster DLs over the years and none of it has mattered. You beat them by scoring 40 and leaving no doubt at the end.

 

I thought you meant the Buccs. Who did beat them with Dline in that Superbowl with both KC tackles out. 

 

The Bengals most definitely did not beat them with Dline. They beat them with flood underneath coverage.

[Steptide]

They built a team to beat Kansas city, that can't beat Kansas city 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Bangarang said:

 

We watched the slant God Michael Thomas excell for years at it. That should be who we try and mold Coleman after.

 

Yea that slant is the best play we have for him. Agreed.

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Probably a rough time to point this out but the guy who dropped the ball was a pass catcher that we invested in.  The first pick in our last two drafts have been pass catchers.  Investment doesn't always equal fulfillment of need.  We have gone down that road with pass rushers as well.

to be fair a solid TE is paid like WR2/3 for a reason and we already had one that was going to eat up reps 

 

and Coleman was the 8th(?) wr off the board 

 

imagine if we traded up for Brian Thomas, or even Addison 

 

perimeter WRs get paid a fortune for a reason 

Edited Monday at 03:45 AM by NoSaint

[colin]

We have one quality offensive player with any speed, cook, and he was a monster for us all year.

 

These idiots in our front office don't want speed like worthy, they want Kincaid and Coleman to run low percentage plays.

 

Shakir is a good player but not much of a talent, hollins is a hard playing jag, they were our two best players outside of cook on o (Allen goes without mentioning).  Any blitz that gets any kind of pressure kills us because who the hell are you afraid of?

 

We just refuse to add actual talent

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I will say this.... unfortunately this is not the draft to need a receiver. 

 

I did some work on the receiver class this past week. I have one first round grade and three second round grades. Then a handful (4 or 5) 3rd round grades. 

 

The weakest receiver class in a fair few years. 

 

The Bills might have to get creative with a vet.

 

Go big and sign Tee Higgins. Or trade for Metcalf if Seattle has realized they are in purgatory with Geno Smith. And then take one of those 1st or 2nd round WRs, and then another one in rounds 3-5. Even if those moves blow up all their other free agency and draft plans I think that is the only chance we have of getting over the hump.

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

to be fair a solid TE is paid like WR2/3 for a reason and we already had one that was going to eat up reps 

 

and Coleman was the 8th(?) wr off the board 

 

imagine if we traded up for Brian Thomas, or even Addison 

 

perimeter WRs get paid a fortune for a reason 

Or maybe we could just trade for a WR who has multiple 1,000 yard seasons ................ wait we did that!

[wppete]

Corner and Safety is our #1 need followed by DE and DT. Then LB. 

[tigerthelion]

17 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Probably a rough time to point this out but the guy who dropped the ball was a pass catcher that we invested in.  The first pick in our last two drafts have been pass catchers.  Investment doesn't always equal fulfillment of need.  We have gone down that road with pass rushers as well.

Guess the team needs to hire someone who can evaluate talent a bit better. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

33 minutes ago, Simon said:

The failure to properly assimilate Cooper into the offense was inexcusable

Cooper is a #1 WR. He should have gotten 10 targets tonight. Brady sucked tonight. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

Or maybe we could just trade for a WR who has multiple 1,000 yard seasons ................ wait we did that!

yea in November so he couldn’t fill a role 

Edited Monday at 03:48 AM by NoSaint

[Shortchaz]

I’m all for leaning into the ball control/power running style offense. It worked all season. Zero issues with the offense. I’d like to see the offseason spent on revamping the entire defense (coach/philosophy, personnel). Every resource should be allocated to this endeavor. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Go big and sign Tee Higgins. Or trade for Metcalf if Seattle has realized they are in purgatory with Geno Smith. And then take one of those 1st or 2nd round WRs, and then another one in rounds 3-5. Even if those moves blow up all their other free agency and draft plans I think that is the only chance we have of getting over the hump.

 

I'm not drafting two in this class. No way. That would be throwing good money after bad. Last year was the class to double dip in. 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I thought you meant the Buccs. Who did beat them with Dline in that Superbowl with both KC tackles out. 

 

Yeah that is who I meant. So one DL beat them, and one defensive game plan beat them. All the other elite DL players they've encountered over their playoff runs and none of it has mattered. I really don't think that's the path to glory. The path is give your elite QB the weapons to steamroll them.

[BillMafia716ix]

Beane taking Coleman over Worthy. Drafting Elam. Still not addressing our pass rush issues. I’m really starting to question him now….and I liked Beane. 

[Maine-iac]

We need to invest "more than we have" in pass catchers like Baltimore needs a new TE.  Kincaid dropped the pass and that sucks.  Cooper played well.  Coleman played like a rookie 2nd round pick and Shakir played well.  Hell Hollins played extremely well.  Overall pass catchers were not our problem.  Haven't been all year.  

[Niagara Dude]

34 minutes ago, Simon said:

The failure to properly assimilate Cooper into the offense was inexcusable

I think Brady focused on running the ball, he has turned the Bills into a run first team. 

[LABILLBACKER]

46 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

We entered the past two offseasons desperately needing more pass catchers. Well here we are again. Coleman was a non-factor. Samuel dropped a catch, tougher than it needed to be but still a play there to be made. The final play of the game a pass catcher let us down. The more I think about it the more disgusted I am.

 

Hopefully Beane has finally learned that he needs to OVER invest in pass catchers. The only way we're winning a Super Bowl under this regime is with an offense that can completely steamroll the competition. We need someone other than Allen that can make the clutch play at the end. No more half measures. Go all in on giving Allen an offensive cast worthy of his talent.

Even if by some act of God our GM can find wrs who can actually separate, we don't have a clever or smart enough OC to scheme them up like Reid.