Outcoached AGAIN

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

The Bills are very good to excellent as an organization, coaching staff and QB combination.

 

The Chiefs are perhaps the best ever at the combination.

 

The sad truth.

[Maynard]

Gonna be difficult to replace him unless we have an early round playoff exit. I’d dump Beane right now though. 

[Niagara Dude]

11 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Forcing 2 punts is actually a MAJOR win for this defense in the playoffs not against a 7 seed, rookie QB or dead Phil Rivers

How many first downs did they have? or big chuck plays?,  the standards cannot be so low that giving up the most points 32 that the chiefs have scored at home all season long is considered a great job by our defence

 

In other cities the defensive coordinator is fired after 3 straight weeks of giving up opening drive TD'S. It does not happen here because Mcdermott calls the defensive shots and will not do to others what Andy Reid did to him. This is why there is no accountability , no matter how bad things are no one gets fired. It was not just the playoffs,  look at the games against the Rams or Lions and how many points were giving up.

 

I'm so tired of seeing this team lose in these big games and no one gets fired or we look to upgrade from outside. Even those Super Bowl Bills teams had coordinator turnover and guys got fired and replaced .

14 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

The Bills are very good to excellent as an organization, coaching staff and QB combination.

 

The Chiefs are perhaps the best ever at the combination.

 

The sad truth.

Andy Reid has no problem firing coordinators 

[dayman]

3 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

The Bills are very good to excellent as an organization, coaching staff and QB combination.

 

The Chiefs are perhaps the best ever at the combination.

 

The sad truth.

Best Bills team we’ve had since the SB days and we should not forget how horrible we were before these guys. Happy to have them forever.

 

BUT—let’s not pretend that both sides of the ball don’t get outclassed coaching-wise when we play KC in the playoffs every time. This last game was actually the worst.

 

Offense had no wrinkles and KC was totally prepared to take away what we do best. Sneak was gone. Blitzes all worked. We ran it a little and hit a few deep passes so there’s that but for the most part we didn’t have a great day. Did put together some drives and 29 points so I’m not saying disaster but everything was tough and we were lucky to get as much on the board as we did.

 

Defensively we were lucky to hold them to what we did. Everything was easy. Can’t put it on the pass rush either Patrick had a 1-second read open every time—often wide open with YAC on top. Completely worked. Season high points and 1st downs for them. Couldn’t get stops, especially not early. Thank God for fumble and great individual effort by Phillips at the end. If we’re going to be good at something with our small nickel/dime defense it should be not getting picked apart and we got roasted.
 

Bottom line the defensive gameplan was horrible and we had no shot. Offensive gameplan wasn’t as bad but it wasn’t a big game kitchen sink plan and we needed that, at least in retrospect.

[Kelly to Allen]

22 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Forcing 2 punts is actually a MAJOR win for this defense in the playoffs not against a 7 seed, rookie QB or dead Phil Rivers

 

And you're not just correct and it's not hyperbole 

 

This is why adding more talent on defense won't matter 

 

In 2020 with a More talented defense 

 

The Phillip Rivers colts had 29 FIRST downs and almost 500 yds of offense lol

 

It's the coach guys

 

Only reason we won is because Allen went alien mode

Edited yesterday at 01:25 PM by Kelly to Allen

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Possibly. But they tried things outside of their normal scheme first half on Sunday and they were shredded. When they got back to more of their core scheme 2nd half they improved.

 

34.75

That's the average amount of points we give up to KC in the playoffs. There's no improvement anywhere,  no matter how you spin or justify it. Andy/ Spags own McDermott and his boys. And his scheme is vulnerable. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

 

34.75

That's the average amount of points we give up to KC in the playoffs. There's no improvement anywhere,  no matter how you spin or justify it. Andy/ Spags own McDermott and his boys. And his scheme is vulnerable. 

 

I haven't tried to justify or spin anything. The defense has to be better. 

[Beast]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:03 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would rather see the Ravens beat KC 

You would?

 

Well, how did they do against KC in the AFC Championship game?

 

Better go get your Ravens gear while you can.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:03 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would rather see the Ravens beat KC 

The ravens are 1-6 against the mahomes chiefs and that one game they absolutely should’ve lost lol. All these supposedly brilliant coaches that we wish we had are even worse against the chiefs historically 

 

Shanahan is abysmal against them also I think those two guys are 1-10 against them combined. 
 

Sirianni can rewrite the script a bit or he could fall into mcd can’t beat them in the playoffs territory depending on how the superbowl goes 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:21 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[T master]

On 1/26/2025 at 9:02 PM, FieldGeneral said:

Why did he chase points? I'll never understand why he does this so much.

 

That's because we are fans and not people that live football ! Every one that i have listen to said that going for 2 both times in the situation was the right thing to do, and that the Tush Push during the season was something like 98% and was their money play and the figured even though they got stopped that they figured more of those plays called would have been successful than they were .

 

Yes some say if it didn't work why didn't you have something else or a twist to go to & that is what great coaches like Reid does and i would bet Brady learned his lesson in that game to have another play in his arsenal when that one doesn't go as planned no matter how good it has worked for them . 

 

Too, we all wondered why Cook wasn't on the field in the last 3 minutes ? The talk is and Josh said it all year that Johnson was the best 3rd down back in the league and in the situation that's who was needed but again lesson learned . Jimbo was getting some 8 ypc RUN HIM DOWN THEIR THROAT .

 

I hate it as much as any of us do but given the youth at the coaching, given who those coaches had to work with, given the expectations at the beginning of this year, and then to make it to the AFC Championship game even though it hurts to lose it was a great season and i can't wait to see what the new team next year brings !! The coaches have learned from this season and know their weaknesses & i feel Beane will get reinforcements to be even better next year .

 

GO BILLS !!! 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, Beast said:

You would?

 

Well, how did they do against KC in the AFC Championship game?

 

Better go get your Ravens gear while you can.

This flies so under the radar for some reason but Harbaugh is abysmal against the chiefs lol I really don’t know why it doesn’t get talked about more 

[I'mBuff]

18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

What other team has won the SB playing this scheme ?  
 

 

Change the scheme, we can’t roster enough quality players for the injuries it produces.

[Repulsif]

Coaching didn't loose the game, it didn't win it either.

On after thought, I wonder if it's worse than just being bad

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This flies so under the radar for some reason but Harbaugh is abysmal against the chiefs lol I really don’t know why it doesn’t get talked about more 

And McDermott is 2-0 against Harbaugh in the playoffs.

[LabattBlue]

Even if McD hired an experienced DC instead of Babich(and learning on the job), he would still hire someone who believes in the same soft “bend but don’t break” scheme that is his MO. 
 

Definition of insanity.  

Edited yesterday at 04:44 PM by LabattBlue

[BernieBill]

McDermott's been here 8 years ... he has not built a championship defense ... his specialty is defense ... that's a failed head coach right there.  

You have an MVP QB ... McDermott's teams still crawl into a shell offensively in the 2nd halves of playoff games ... he's a conservative coach in a league that does not reward conservatism.  He ain't the right coach ... this has been obviously true since 13 Seconds.

You have a southerner as your GM ... a guy with that dumb southern accent who gave the Chiefs Xavier Worthy and then Xavier Worthy be an impact player all year culminating in 100+ total yards and a TD against you in the AFC championship game.  McBeane has made one good decision: drafting Josh Allen.  Congratulations.  Everything else they'v e done has failed.  The defense fails every single postseason.  The offense has now choked the last two postseasons with opportunities to beat the Chiefs.  This regime ain't getting it done.

Move on.  Give Josh a chance.  Or just keep losing in the AFC playoffs.  Your choice.

[Saint Doug]

Not sure if this has been posted, but just another piece of evidence McD is way over his head compared to Reid:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs-brilliantly-copied-play-afc-rival-burn-bills-for-two-huge-touchdowns#:~:text=The play is a simple,on the Chiefs' opening drive.

[T master]

On 1/26/2025 at 9:00 PM, K D said:

McDermott is our head coach because???

 

- He's good at situational football?

- The Bills have a great defense?

- He doesn't choke in the playoffs?

 

He was a good coach to get us to the playoffs but you need a top coaching mind to win it all. Playing it safe and being predictable doesn't get it done. And we keep him because??

 

Here's something i just listened to on 1 Bills Live - in the last seven seasons the Chiefs are 2 over time games 1 against the Pats with the Goat at the helm and 1 of the best coaches all ever & 1 loss to Joe Burrow if they wouldn't have lost those they go to 7 SB's in a row it's a historic run by a historic team .

 

Also in the last 23 games the chiefs have played the only team to beat them (other than the game they didn't start any of their starters) is the Bills and McD is the only coach that could beat them .

 

Haters will hate but No other coach in the NFL has the record against this historically great team that McD has had .

[Logic]

Sure. 

Absolve the Jimmies and Joes and blame it all on the coaches.

How did 1st rounders Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid, and Greg Rousseau impact the game?

How did 2nd rounder Keon Coleman impact the game? Meanwhile, how did the WR the Bills let the Chiefs trade up and take impact the game?

In what way was coaching to blame for the multiple failed tush pushes?

In what way was coaching to blame for Kincaid dropping the 4th down pass that lost the game?

In what way was coaching to blame for some of the inaccurate passes Josh threw at various points in the game?

The coaches were outcoached at key moments, yes. Reid and Spagnuolo are two of the best to ever do it, and Babich and Brady are rookie coordinators, so it's not terribly surprising. 

But to put the whole loss on coaching, and to thus completely absolve the players, the quarterback, and the personnel deficiencies is off the mark, IMO.

Players failed, too. Josh failed at certain moments, too. Beane's team building (particularly the use of early round picks) deserves some blame, too.

It's not as simple and one-dimensional as you're making it. It was a whole organizational failure, from team building, to coaching, to player execution.

Edited 22 hours ago by Logic

[BernieBill]

20 minutes ago, Logic said:

Sure. 

Absolve the Jimmies and Joes and blame it all on the coaches.

How did 1st rounders Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid, and Greg Rousseau impact the game?

How did 2nd rounder Keon Coleman impact the game? Meanwhile, how did the WR the Bills let the Chiefs trade up and take impact the game?

In what way was coaching to blame for the multiple failed tush pushes?

In what way was coaching to blame for Kincaid dropping the 4th down pass that lost the game?

In what way was coaching to blame for some of the inaccurate passes Josh threw at various points in the game?

The coaches were outcoached at key moments, yes. Reid and Spagnuolo are two of the best to ever do it, and Babich and Brady are rookie coordinators, so it's not terribly surprising. 

But to put the whole loss on coaching, and to thus completely absolve the players, the quarterback, and the personnel deficiencies is off the mark, IMO.

Players failed, too. Josh failed at certain moments, too. Beane's team building (particularly the use of early round picks) deserves some blame, too.

It's not as simple and one-dimensional as you're making it. It was a whole organizational failure, from team building, to coaching, to player execution.

Here's why blaming the coaches is a rational opinion:  you received the opening kick, you have a chance right there to go up 7-0 ... if you're ready to play, ready to execute.  The Bills go 3-and-out, punt the ball, and then watch Patrick Mahomes lead his team on a 90-yard drive to go up 7-0 and set the tone for the entire game.  So, if it's on the coaches to prepare the team to play ball, the team wasn't prepared to execute offensively or defensively right out of the box ... how is that not a coaching failure?  How is chasing points in the 2nd quarter of the game not a coaching failure?  How many times do you call the Tush Push and watch it either barely succeed or outright fail, and still call it?  

The Bills have been slaughtered by other team's offenses for 5 straight years in the playoffs ... 4 times by the Chiefs and once by the Bengals (in a non-competitive home playoff loss) ... how exactly does Sean McDermott, whose entire career is based on his defensive prowess, escape blame or repercussions for his team's laundry list of playoff failures?

The Bills are being outcoached in the playoffs every single year ... we have a large enough sample size ... so let's change nothing and run it back!