Outcoached AGAIN

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Regardless.  McDermott is here long term. I hope. 

If he is around long term then Allen will eventually demand out because your not winning with McDermott who surrounds himself with yes men

[Solomon Grundy]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:02 PM, Roundybout said:

He made perfect adjustments in the second half and got major stops. If you blame McD for this, you don’t know football. Period.

Yeah...like the Mahomes runs to the right 🙄

[Solomon Grundy]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:05 PM, Buffalo03 said:

How many regimes have we had? We literally had a guy that was in the big game 4 straight times and lost. And you think changing regimes is gonna make a difference? Lol

He was outcoached too!!

[Solomon Grundy]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:11 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bishop was abused in coverage most of the game

And Hamlin. And Taron Johnson. Get rid of this defensive philosophy/scheme 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

And Hamlin. And Taron Johnson. Get rid of this defensive philosophy/scheme 

 

The problem in this game was that they didn't run their defensive philosophy / scheme enough. When they got to it the game turned a bit. They spent too long in the first half trying to run a defense they are less suited for and less practiced in. 

 

Its been a criticism of mine on the defense all year, they have been trying too hard to do different things rather than focusing on doing what they do well and trying to do it better. I get it, Babich has now doubt heard the noise that Leslie Frazier was too predictable, ran the same stuff too often, didn't have a plan B etc. But the result of trying to be this multiple and run these more unique game to game plans has been worse outcomes on defense. 

 

This will not be a popular view on these boards but left to me I'd simplify the defense massively. Get back to what we are good at. Play zone defense, behind primarily a 4 man rush and upgrade at safety. I know that hasn't had playoff success against KC, I accept that. But it did make our D better the rest of the time. We have made it worse in the pursuit of being more multiple and haven't generated a payoff for that in the playoffs. 

[Solomon Grundy]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The problem in this game was that they didn't run their defensive philosophy / scheme enough. When they got to it the game turned a bit. They spent too long in the first half trying to run a defense they are less suited for and less practiced in. 

 

Its been a criticism of mine on the defense all year, they have been trying too hard to do different things rather than focusing on doing what they do well and trying to do it better. I get it, Babich has now doubt heard the noise that Leslie Frazier was too predictable, ran the same stuff too often, didn't have a plan B etc. But the result of trying to be this multiple and run these more unique game to game plans has been worse outcomes on defense. 

 

This will not be a popular view on these boards but left to me I'd simplify the defense massively. Get back to what we are good at. Play zone defense, behind primarily a 4 man rush and upgrade at safety. I know that hasn't had playoff success against KC, I accept that. But it did make our D better the rest of the time. We have made it worse in the pursuit of being more multiple and haven't generated a payoff for that in the playoffs. 

The Bills don't have the personnel to run the "big nickel". Teams, like the Ravens, destroy the Bills with it 

[longtimebillsfan]

53 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

If he is around long term then Allen will eventually demand out because your not winning with McDermott who surrounds himself with yes men

Your outlook is in the minority and very sad.

 

Try to find your happy place.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

The Bills don't have the personnel to run the "big nickel". Teams, like the Ravens, destroy the Bills with it 

 

Well we don't run the "big nickel" for the most part. We run standard nickel. And the Ravens didn't destroy us with it when they played the Bills starters. They destroyed Nicholas Morrow and Baylon Spector but then I think Southwest Texas State probably would destroy that pair. 

 

Which isn't to say we don't need personnel upgrades on D, we do. But the nickel is not the problem. 

[billsfan714]

I was watching the herd and they said Spags was 20-4 in the playoffs.

[Niagara Dude]

10 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Your outlook is in the minority and very sad.

 

Try to find your happy place.

The fact is I"m very sad about the loss,  it's heart breaking to watch Allen & the Bills lose to the same player & team 4 times. I hate it and feels like his teammates and coaching staff have let him down.  Mcdermott is a good man and good head coach,  but he is not a great HC that helps win these big games.

 

I think I could better accept the loss on Sunday had we not lost in the 13 secs game. The combination of losing in the 13 secs game and then again losing this game is just terrible and next 2 weeks until Super Bowl is over will be tough for me

[longtimebillsfan]

8 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

The fact is I"m very sad about the loss,  it's heart breaking to watch Allen & the Bills lose to the same player & team 4 times. I hate it and feels like his teammates and coaching staff have let him down.  Mcdermott is a good man and good head coach,  but he is not a great HC that helps win these big games.

 

I think I could better accept the loss on Sunday had we not lost in the 13 secs game. The combination of losing in the 13 secs game and then again losing this game is just terrible and next 2 weeks until Super Bowl is over will be tough for me

Every Bills fan feels the exact same way.  The difference is that most realize that these losses are so close that one break going our way could have changed the outcome.  McDermott and company has over achieved this year given the level of talent, especially on defense.

 

In my very humble opinion, calling for McDermott to be fired is an over reaction resulting to the frustration we all feel.

 

The fact is, Beane and McDermott are not going anywhere.  Those of you that want one or both gone should accept that fact and move on.

 

We are in one of the best era's of the Bills franchise history.

 

We all want the same thing.  

 

Let's pull together instead of sniping at each other.

 

Also, I believe Josh when he says he wants be a Bill for the rest of hus career.

 

GO BILLS.

 

Win one for the best fans in the NFL!

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Every Bills fan feels the exact same way.  The difference is that most realize that these losses are so close that one break going our way could have changed the outcome.  McDermott and company has over achieved this year given the level of talent, especially on defense.

 

In my very humble opinion, calling for McDermott to be fired is an over reaction resulting to the frustration we all feel.

 

The fact is, Beane and McDermott are not going anywhere.  Those of you that want one or both gone should accept that fact and move on.

 

We are in one of the best era's of the Bills franchise history.

 

We all want the same thing.  

 

Let's pull together instead of sniping at each other.

 

Also, I believe Josh when he says he wants be a Bill for the rest of hus career.

 

GO BILLS.

 

Win one for the best fans in the NFL!

I would be ok with Pegula asking McDermott to fire his special teams coordinator and defensive coordinator,  replace them with people from the outside.  People that have Super bowl experience 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:10 PM by Niagara Dude

[Aussie Joe]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The problem in this game was that they didn't run their defensive philosophy / scheme enough. When they got to it the game turned a bit. They spent too long in the first half trying to run a defense they are less suited for and less practiced in. 

 

Its been a criticism of mine on the defense all year, they have been trying too hard to do different things rather than focusing on doing what they do well and trying to do it better. I get it, Babich has now doubt heard the noise that Leslie Frazier was too predictable, ran the same stuff too often, didn't have a plan B etc. But the result of trying to be this multiple and run these more unique game to game plans has been worse outcomes on defense. 

 

This will not be a popular view on these boards but left to me I'd simplify the defense massively. Get back to what we are good at. Play zone defense, behind primarily a 4 man rush and upgrade at safety. I know that hasn't had playoff success against KC, I accept that. But it did make our D better the rest of the time. We have made it worse in the pursuit of being more multiple and haven't generated a payoff for that in the playoffs. 

What other team has won the SB playing this scheme ?  
 

 

[Sojourner]

10 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Yeah...like the Mahomes runs to the right 🙄

Whilst I understand what you’re saying, players on the field are more accountable for a lot of the failures in the second half. 
 

3 guys backside aren’t supposed to over pursue on every play. On top of that and I don’t mean to reference it as much as I do but I’m amazed it’s not more of a talking point…

 

Coaching cannot be blamed for this:

 

 

2 guys take out the whole backside. 5 defenders. 
 

Ju-Ju takes out Groot, Taron and Bernard. 
 

Coaching? That’s the easy excuse. Just like the refereeing or an injury. 
 

Im not disputing any of that but the players not executing on offense and defense is a bigger issue. 
 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:11 PM by Sojourner

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

What other team has won the SB playing this scheme ?  

 

This is extremely similar to the scheme Seattle won a Superbowl with. They were a low blitz, rush 4, play zone behind and a high use of nickel personnel team. No two defenses are exactly the same but that D is the closest in terms of its core principles.

[Aussie Joe]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is extremely similar to the scheme Seattle won a Superbowl with. They were a low blitz, rush 4, play zone behind and a high use of nickel personnel team. No two defenses are exactly the same but that D is the closest in terms of its core principles.

Their D actually won them their  SB … also their playing talent was much superior than what the Bills can field anytime soon …so if that what it takes … then I don’t think the Bills are reaching that level anytime in the near future 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

Their D actually won them their  SB … also their playing talent was much superior than what the Bills can field anytime soon …so if that what it takes … then I don’t think the Bills are reaching that level anytime in the near future 

 

Their talent was superior, for sure. There were at least 4 potential HoFers on that defense. But you asked about scheme. 

 

The Bills need a talent upgrade more than they need a new scheme.

[Preds]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:02 PM, Roundybout said:

He made perfect adjustments in the second half and got major stops. If you blame McD for this, you don’t know football. Period.

I love this arrogant type of response.  Enjoy your Shottenheimer/Lewis level coach that will never get over the hump and will waste away the 2nd half of Josh's career without an appearance in the Super Bowl, much less a championship, .  McD can't take this team any farther, and the only reason McD and his crap defense has the record he has is because of #17.

The drought era coaches would win 10 games+ each season with 17.  

McD and our JV level staff are anchor's on Josh's greatness and holding him back from being a champion.

[DaVinci]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:02 PM, Tulsabillsfanz said:

Buffalo will never win a championship until they have a defense that can make stops when it counts.  We have been unable to do that against KC for the last 4 playoff games.  

We did stop them ,got the ball and wiffed.

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Their talent was superior, for sure. There were at least 4 potential HoFers on that defense. But you asked about scheme. 

 

The Bills need a talent upgrade more than they need a new scheme.

They were one of the best defences of all time … the Bills likely won’t reach that talent level…  so I hope that isn’t a requirement of the scheme …

 

Anyone else … or have the Bills got to repeat what has only been done once before by one of the best defences in recent memory ?