1/26/25 GAMEDAY AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME Bills @ Chiefs Post Game Thread

[stevewin]

I must have woken up like 20 times last night - each time auto-replaying some play from the game and how it could have turned out different, making me sick to my stomach - like some fever dream.  

 

I'm sure similar happened after 13 seconds etc but I don't remember - guess that is a good thing over time this one will fade too

 

So many critical plays that if just one went a different way....

 

Won't be watching any sports shows for the next 2 wks - my God two full weeks of full on Mahomes ball washing.  The one good thing about the 24/7 Lamar MVP hype the last few weeks of the season was at least Mahomes/Chiefs were not the conversation.  But here we are again

 

And now it's "Allen is 0-4 against Mahomes in the playoffs" - despite 13 seconds, and dropped pass by Diggs, missed Bass FG, 4th down spot, and Kincaid drop etc all of which could have changed the narrative.  And the last drive was there for the taking too - to change the narrative and define legacy - just makes it worse

Edited Monday at 04:14 PM by stevewin

[waterglass]

2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills seeing people trying to blame our only All-Pro talent with the loss yesterday. Did you all not see it hit Kincaid in the hands? 

 

If the argument is "he didn't completely dominate the game and play perfect, so it's his fault because we had the ball..." then you don't have much of a leg to stand on. It's excusing the play calling, it's excusing the receivers, it's excusing that absolutely atrocious excuse for a defense we had yesterday. A scapegoat is convenient, not reality. 

 

We almost won in spite of how badly the rest of the team played, and yall want to complain about Allen? The only reason why the team is relevant? Really? 

 

Agree ONE Billion percent brother. I can give Joe Brady a pass on his play calling. But for Mcdermott *+ years of same ole same ole and these undersize guys are of his doing.  Defensive backs play so far off grandma could catch against them.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, stevewin said:

I must have woken up like 20 times last night - each time auto-replaying some play from the game and how it could have turned out different - like some fever dream.  

 

I'm sure similar happened after 13 seconds etc but I don't remember - guess that is a good thing over time this one will fade too

 

So many critical plays that if just one went a different way....

 

Won't be watching any sports shows for the next 2 wks - my God two full weeks of full on Mahomes ball washing.  The one good thing about the 24/7 Lamar MVP hype the last few weeks of the season was at least Mahomes/Chiefs were not the conversation.  But here we are again

 

And now it's "Allen is 0-4 against Mahomes in the playoffs" - despite 13 seconds, and dropped passes by Diggs and Kincaid all of which could have changed the narrative.  And the last drive was there too - just makes it worse

Same here. The one play I started to re-live at about 4 am was actually the weird overthrow to Shakir. I think that was a wasted play, which forced us into 3rd and long. 
 

The other play was around 6 am, and it was the last play. Bernard has to be able to run with Perrine on that. He tackles him in the open field and we get the ball back. 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

How did Mahomes do in his last proper possession where he really needed a TD to extend the Chiefs lead with the clock ticking?

 

We can go back and forth all day.   Mahomes has led game winning drives in the post season and Super Bowl.   Josh had his chance last night and didnt get it done.   Had any of us been asked before the game started if Josh Allen has the ball with 3 minutes left to go win the game would you take it...we all would have.   Was the coaching perfect not at all.  Did his pass catchers let him down, yes they did.   Did his line decide to have a crap game at the worst time possible, yes they did.   That said, our "only all pro talent" as another poster put it had the ball in his hand to go win the game and he didnt. 

[waterglass]

8 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Does anyone know why Cook was not on the field for the last offensive series?  
 

He was the guy I wanted to see get the ball.  

 

I think beacuse Joe Brady blinked. Joe was also outcoached but hes young and new. I give him a pass. I give Mcdermott a plane ticket out of Buffalo. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Hatred of Josh Allen?   Completely wrong there.  The guy is one of my favorite players ever.  That said, my love for him as a player doesnt completely blind me to the fact that he wasnt great last night.   It also doesnt blind me to the fact that he isnt in Mahomes' league as a post season QB.   If the team gets you the ball with 3 minutes to go to score a winning touchdown, the great all time QBs do that.  Sometimes in spite of their own teams shortcomings.   Mahomes does that.  Consistently.  Josh does not. 

I genuinely still don’t get this take at all unless people shut the game off after the first drive lol I think your disappointment has blinded you from a real good game from Josh honestly.  If he didn’t hit Kincaid in the hands on that last ridiculous throw I’d understand the point a little more I guess. The guy made crazy clutch plays all night that are being completely taken for granted 

 

 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, waterglass said:

 

Agree ONE Billion percent brother. I can give Joe Brady a pass on his play calling. But for Mcdermott *+ years of same ole same ole and these undersize guys are of his doing.  Defensive backs play so far off grandma could catch against them.

 

McDermott is a good coach and his scheme is designed to work against 85% of the NFL, but when you reach the upper echelon of teams it all falls apart. I don't know how many times we need this to happen before we call a spade a spade here.  

 

Without an elite of the elite D-Line talent ala TJ Watt, I don't see how you can fix this with the way McDermott wants to play. The whole thing seems to be predicated on generating consistent pressure with 4-guys.  If you can't do that, then the QB just finds the guy with no one near him.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

We can go back and forth all day.   Mahomes has led game winning drives in the post season and Super Bowl.   Josh had his chance last night and didnt get it done.   Had any of us been asked before the game started if Josh Allen has the ball with 3 minutes left to go win the game would you take it...we all would have.   Was the coaching perfect not at all.  Did his pass catchers let him down, yes they did.   Did his line decide to have a crap game at the worst time possible, yes they did.   That said, our "only all pro talent" as another poster put it had the ball in his hand to go win the game and he didnt. 

This is less logical than the people blaming Lamar for Andrews’ 2 point drop last week imo.  Josh made clutch plays all night post first drive and made perhaps the clutchest throw in history with a whole dline in his face and his guy just dropped it.  If he had taken a bad sack there I’d probably agree with you 

[UKBillFan]

10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

We can go back and forth all day.   Mahomes has led game winning drives in the post season and Super Bowl.   Josh had his chance last night and didnt get it done.   Had any of us been asked before the game started if Josh Allen has the ball with 3 minutes left to go win the game would you take it...we all would have.   Was the coaching perfect not at all.  Did his pass catchers let him down, yes they did.   Did his line decide to have a crap game at the worst time possible, yes they did.   That said, our "only all pro talent" as another poster put it had the ball in his hand to go win the game and he didnt. 

 

The difference is Mahomes' defense, coaching, passing catchers and line helped him out yesterday. By your own admission, Josh's didn't.

 

Edit: Do you know what Kelce would have done in Kincaid's position yesterday? Brown? Worthy? They would have caught the ball. And that's why Mahomes is, rarely questioned. His team comes up for him in tight spots.

Edited Monday at 01:46 PM by UKBillFan

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I genuinely still don’t get this take at all unless people shut the game off after the first drive lol I think your disappointment has blinded you from a real good game from Josh honestly.  If he didn’t hit Kincaid in the hands on that last ridiculous throw I’d understand the point a little more I guess. The guy made crazy clutch plays all night that are being completely taken for granted 

 

 

 

I didnt say he didnt have a good game.   He just wasnt great.  I understand people here are very sensitive about Allen criticism, rightfully so.   But again he had the ball in his hands to win the game and he didnt.   Should Kincaid have caught it, probably.  But Josh also didnt read the blitz well.  He also rolled right into which is what forced him to have to make a hero throw.   

[Back2Buff]

I wasn't even impressed with the Chiefs.  Balt would have beat them pretty easily IMO.  Bills beat themselves yet again.  It's all coaching and drafting.  Beane and McDermott are the never ending circle of "never gonna happen".

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The difference is Mahomes' defense, coaching, passing catchers and line helped him out yesterday. By your own admission, Josh's didn't.

I agree with you there.   Aside from his defense giving up 29 points.   

[BearNorth]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

I agree with you there.   Aside from his defense giving up 29 points.   

Josh Allen had a bit to do with them giving up 29 points, his two throws to Hollins were other worldly.  Both of them in the "How in the hell did he do that" category.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

I agree with you there.   Aside from his defense giving up 29 points.   

 

I'd say his defense made two key plays when they needed to. The bat down for the final 3rd down, which was fantastic player execution (albeit... O Line?) and the disguised blitz on 4th. QBs will miss that from time to time and Spags is elite. I doubt any QB but Josh would have even got the ball away there.

 

Of course there's stopping the sneak too. I'm more aggrieved at the call on Kincaid's spot on the previous down than what happened on 4th and inches from an officiating angle.

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, BearNorth said:

Josh Allen had a bit to do with them giving up 29 points, his two throws to Hollins were other worldly.  Both of them in the "How in the hell did he do that" category.

Fully agree.  Hollins' catch was something to behold as well. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This was my last run with McDermott. If they had won yesterday I’d rethink all I had about the guy. His defense is why we never win and his defense is going to waste josh Allen’s career. I feel terrible for josh. As long as McDermott is here we will never win. He’s a real solid coach Monday through Saturday. He’s terrible on game day and his defense is a disgrace. All people do is make excuses. Just watch the ***** game. It’s literally the same thing year in year out. Any QB that’s even a little accurate will shred us on 3rd down. All we do is rely on turnovers. If we aren’t turning people over, we aren’t stopping them. This will never change.  I’m done. I’ll never think we have a shot again as long as this guy is in charge. I’m not going anywhere. I can’t. I’m stuck with this for life. But yesterday was it for my optimism. I have seen it to many times. I’d be dumb to not see what it is. This coach is clueless about the 1 phase he’s responsible for. Fire him, put a new DC in or we’ll never win

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I didnt say he didnt have a good game.   He just wasnt great.  I understand people here are very sensitive about Allen criticism, rightfully so.   But again he had the ball in his hands to win the game and he didnt.   Should Kincaid have caught it, probably.  But Josh also didnt read the blitz well.  He also rolled right into which is what forced him to have to make a hero throw.   

Idk what the floor for great is then lol that’s a great defense that got even better since our last matchup.  I really thought our oline was gonna be good enough to control the game, they weren’t, and Josh played well enough to win it anyway.  
 

if you told me benford would go down and we  would get roughed up in pass blocking before the game I would’ve said we were losing by double digits but Josh willed them back in it and was probably one drop / a couple bs spots away from getting it done

Edited Monday at 01:53 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Andrew Son]

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I didnt say he didnt have a good game.   He just wasnt great.  I understand people here are very sensitive about Allen criticism, rightfully so.   But again he had the ball in his hands to win the game and he didnt.   Should Kincaid have caught it, probably.  But Josh also didnt read the blitz well.  He also rolled right into which is what forced him to have to make a hero throw.   

100% agreed.  People get so enamored with the wow plays.  Meanwhile, Mahomes is surgical and makes it look easy getting into the perfect play and getting rid of it on time even in the face of immediate pressure.

 

4th and 5 is the perfect example.  In that situation Mahomes hits the wide open Shakir 

[BRH]

2 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Yeah I was stewing about why no challenge there except on further thought:

1) Why would that have gone any different than the 4th down review

2) With the previous example of the other challenge

 

I wouldn't be surprised if McDermott just didn't trust them to get it right, against that team, in that venue, at that moment, while we're sitting through another batch of State Farm and Doritos commercials. Reid is probably still a better coach straight-up, but being a better coach with the kind of intimidation factor of having the entire league apparatus behind you, as someone else mentioned, forces you to have to be "double-perfect" and have no appeal either.

 

We already lost a timeout on the earlier challenge; we would have lost another one there.  The reviews were horrid, including the one on the Worthy "catch," and the writing was on the wall.  In hindsight, the D wasn't stopping them from getting the one first down they needed anyway, but at least we had a theoretical chance to get the ball back with two timeouts.

 

All through the playoffs we were getting screwed on big spots.  I never saw so many third and fourth-and-shorts all year.  Our opponents?  First down, move the chains, don't even bother looking at it.  

[JerseyBills]

23 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

How did Mahomes do in his last proper possession where he really needed a TD to extend the Chiefs lead with the clock ticking?

TALK TO EM..

 

Oh and another one, imagine this was Buf returning, 100% flags are flying