Bengals are having stadium issues

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Ralph was cheap at various points in the franchise history. Sure, he paid his players during the Super Bowl runs, but he also cheaped out big time numerous times. He may not have been afraid to spend money, but plenty of times the only way to open his wallet was with a crowbar. 

 

The Bills are still the only NFL team to lose the #1 overall pick to the CFL.

 

The Bills lost players to the upstart USFL including Jim Kelly & Joe Cribbs. 

 

The Bills were too cheap to pay Jason Peters & traded him to Philadelphia.  

 

The only name coach Ralph ever hired was Chuck Knox.  (Marv was JAG when he was hired by his friend Bill Polian). That's because attendance had dropped to about 35,000 a game & he had to do something to bring the fans back out of desperation. This was a common theme in the 70s & 80s.  Bad attendance, spend money, cheap out again when the attendance improves, then be forced to spend again to get the fans back, In the mid 80s his cheap ways had turned the team into a laughingstock & attendance dropped so low, he was forced to spend to get the fans back.  The Bills were a complete laughingstock when Ralph had to pony up the big bucks for Jim Kelly.  It was always the same cycle over & over again.  

 

Fortunately, by the time of Ralph's final drought, fans were still coming, otherwise there would have been another threat to move the team like he had done years before threatening to move to Seattle.  

 

Ralph did many good things for the franchise, but he also hurt the team numerous times with his miserly ways.  

 

There's a reason ralphs statue is out front 

 

Ralph Wilson is the only reason we stayed in Buffalo

Edited yesterday at 12:27 AM by Buffalo716

[Albany,n.y.]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's a reason ralphs statue is out front 

 

Ralph Wilson is the but only reason we stayed in Buffalo

As I said, Ralph did many good things.  Unfortunately, he was also a cheapskate at various times in the franchise history.  

[The Cincinnati Kid]

8 hours ago, Just Jack said:

They have not renewed their lease yet, with one year left.  The stadium opened in 2000.

 

 

 

NFL world reacts to horrible Bengals news

I truly am asking because I do not understand… what leverage does the stadium/city have in the negotiations with the Bengals? They either have the Bengals or they have an empty stadium on prime real estate on the Cincinnati Waterfront. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

4 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Sounds like the Ohio way to me 😂

 

You have NO IDEA... imagine some country in Eastern Europe straight out of Borat. College football rules here and the Steelers if you're closer to the eastern border. Literally EVERY high school football team here uses the Ohio State fight song for their fight song... just no creativity. Depressing is what I call it...

 

AND THERE ISN'T EVEN ONE WEGMANS!!!!! 

[May Day 10]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

People B word about Key Bank Center as an extension of the Sabres. I don't get the problem people have with it other than it's not a palace.

 

Boise State?

 

It is bad.  The last game i went to, the arm rest was gone and only a jagged piece of metal was there, sticking up.

 

The design is terrible.  Like the cookie cutter multi purpose stadiums of the 70s.  Riverfront, three rivers, jack Murphy, the vet.  Seat incline is gradual with very little overhangs.   Bad sight lines and seats are far away.  Bubble roof saps the life out of the place.

 

The concourses are also tombs, especially in the 300 level.  

 

The ice itself is notoriously bad by nhl standards too.  

 

It is also a really ugly building from the exterior on 3 sides.  

 

They built it almost 30 years ago, on the cheap compared to all its contemporaries.  You can tell with the way things are falling apart.  All the contemporaries have also received (or are in the process of getting) major renovations to the tune of hundreds of millions, or even a new arena (philly).  

Edited yesterday at 01:28 AM by May Day 10

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

It is bad.  The last game i went to, the arm rest was gone and only a jagged piece of metal was there, sticking up.  One seat out of 19,000?

 

The design is terrible.  Like the cookie cutter multi purpose stadiums of the 70s.  Riverfront, three rivers, jack Murphy, the vet.  Seat incline is gradual with very little overhangs.   Bad sight lines and seats are far away.  Bubble roof saps the life out of the place.  Your opinion.

 

The concourses are also tombs, especially in the 300 level.  Again, your opinion.

 

The ice itself is notoriously bad by nhl standards too.  I tried to google best/worst ice in the NHL and the Sabres arena is never mentioned. 

 

It is also a really ugly building from the exterior on 3 sides.  Again, your opinion.  I bet it would look better if the Sabres were winning.

 

They built it almost 30 years ago, on the cheap compared to all its contemporaries.  You can tell with the way things are falling apart.  All the contemporaries have also received (or are in the process of getting) major renovations to the tune of hundreds of millions, or even a new arena (philly).    It definitely was built on a budget.

 

The whole arena sucks thing started with a hit piece from John Vogl at the Athletic. I can go to any arena and find a broken cupholder, crack in a floor or stain on a rug.

Edited yesterday at 01:39 AM by PromoTheRobot

[LittleSammy]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Ralph was cheap at various points in the franchise history. Sure, he paid his players during the Super Bowl runs, but he also cheaped out big time numerous times. He may not have been afraid to spend money, but plenty of times the only way to open his wallet was with a crowbar. 

 

The Bills are still the only NFL team to lose the #1 overall pick to the CFL.

 

The Bills lost players to the upstart USFL including Jim Kelly & Joe Cribbs. 

 

The Bills were too cheap to pay Jason Peters & traded him to Philadelphia.  

 

The only name coach Ralph ever hired was Chuck Knox.  (Marv was JAG when he was hired by his friend Bill Polian). That's because attendance had dropped to about 35,000 a game & he had to do something to bring the fans back out of desperation. This was a common theme in the 70s & 80s.  Bad attendance, spend money, cheap out again when the attendance improves, then be forced to spend again to get the fans back, In the mid 80s his cheap ways had turned the team into a laughingstock & attendance dropped so low, he was forced to spend to get the fans back.  The Bills were a complete laughingstock when Ralph had to pony up the big bucks for Jim Kelly.  It was always the same cycle over & over again.  

 

Fortunately, by the time of Ralph's final drought, fans were still coming, otherwise there would have been another threat to move the team like he had done years before threatening to move to Seattle.  

 

Ralph did many good things for the franchise, but he also hurt the team numerous times with his miserly ways.  

 

Yeah, and Ralph "hurt" the fans when he purposely drafted the lease that makes it pretty much financially impossible to move the team for 30+ years. If the Bills moved, do you think the NFL, or anybody outside Western New York would demand a new franchise be placed in Buffalo?

[Just Jack]

3 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

I truly am asking because I do not understand… what leverage does the stadium/city have in the negotiations with the Bengals? They either have the Bengals or they have an empty stadium on prime real estate on the Cincinnati Waterfront. 

 

None.  They'd have an empty stadium to either demolish or hope the NFL quickly expands and gives them a team. 

 

1 hour ago, LittleSammy said:

Yeah, and Ralph "hurt" the fans when he purposely drafted the lease that makes it pretty much financially impossible to move the team for 30+ years. If the Bills moved, do you think the NFL, or anybody outside Western New York would demand a new franchise be placed in Buffalo?

 

I would not follow the Bills if they moved, and even if a new team was brought to Buffalo, I don't know if I would follow them.  I'd feel like a team swapping you know what, like my uncle.  

Edited yesterday at 04:01 AM by Just Jack

[Skyline Chili]

11 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I only went to a few Reds games, but I really liked the set-up of those stadiums downtown and right by the river. 

The banks are sweet

[ExiledInIllinois]

[BillsShredder83]

Honestly as much as I hate them from rivalry, they don't deserve to lose their team. They deserve a real owner! Hope they don't move

10 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

This is REALLY bad news for the league. What cities are possibly up for grabs if they do move, maybe San Antonio? I doubt they would be the first international NFL franchise, but then again I refused to believe that the Rams and Chargers would BOTH relocate... 

St Louis feels like next up. Nfl is trying not to get sued. While I can't recall details I have read a handful of times that city wants to sue them, and had a reasonable legal grounds to do it... and the only thing was them trying not to piss all over their chances at getting one back.

[QCity]

3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

 

 

The design is terrible.  Like the cookie cutter multi purpose stadiums of the 70s.  Riverfront, three rivers, jack Murphy, the vet.  Seat incline is gradual with very little overhangs.   Bad sight lines and seats are far away.  Bubble roof saps the life out of the place.

 

The concourses are also tombs, especially in the 300 level.  

 

 

This is going on a tangent, but fully agree. They've been piping in crowd noise since the Blur Song 2 days of The Cup run. The roof kills any kind of noise and atmosphere, even concerts there sound terrible.

 

And to stay on topic, the original article (if you even call that an article) seems overly dramatic to drive clicks. Possibly AI generated.

Edited yesterday at 05:03 AM by QCity

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, Just Jack said:

None.  They'd have an empty stadium to either demolish or hope the NFL quickly expands and gives them a team. 

Sadly, that’s the case. Brown absolutely bent Cincy and the surrounding area over on their last deal. Even by NFL standards it was egregious. Ofc the Browns had just moved to Baltimore and they used the threat of moving to Cleveland (as did many other teams) to get that deal. I’m sure they want a similar deal this time and they’ll use the threat of moving again. 

 

Mike Brown is notoriously cheap too. It’s all about cashing in as much as possible. So the fans won’t get much for their money. He will always be at the bottom of the league in cash spending. The city should do what they can to try to force a sale and go as far as letting the team move away if they can’t do that. 

[Mr. WEO]

15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's a reason ralphs statue is out front 

 

Ralph Wilson is the only reason we stayed in Buffalo

 

The Erie county taxpayers are the reason Ralph's Bills stayed in Buffalo....

[Utah John]

21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That is all a complete lie 

 

The '90s bills were called the million dollar bills.. we had some of the highest payrolls in the NFL 

 

Ralph also made OJ Simpson the first million dollar player.. made Jim Kelly the highest paid player in the league.  Bruce Smith was the highest paid defensive player 

 

And the bills had a higher payroll than the cowboys and Jerry Jones in the SB in 93

 

Ralph was never afraid to spend money.  He made derrrek dockery the highest paid guard NFL history 

 

He said money on the wrong people

We all saw it, that Ralph would not spend to the cap.  He was advised by an accountant instead of his team's GM and coach.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Utah John said:

We all saw it, that Ralph would not spend to the cap.  He was advised by an accountant instead of his team's GM and coach.

He owned the team for 50 years 

 

If he had some years where the team wasn't competitive who cares if he didn't spend max.. you literally can't win every year and spending to the max when the team isn't good doesn't do anything

 

He spent money 40 years. He did plenty of firsts with salary including making highest paid players in NFL History 

 

Highest paid players at their position

 

The dude I quoted blatantly lied and said Jerry Jones outspent US during the super bowl years yet we had a bigger payroll

 

The late 2000s he was an owner in name only.. he was in his 80s and still got guys like Mario Williams.. he also made sure the bills stayed here forever 

 

People who piss on them after death are something else

 

Even in 2000 he was 10th in spending.. that's in the upper echelon of the NFL

Edited 12 hours ago by Buffalo716