We don’t have a number 1 WR

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I don’t want the Bills FO to stop looking for playmakers at WR.

 

Understand that you have a once in 30-years player in Allen and stock the shelves for Joe Brady to morph this offense.
 

It also insulates the offense for the day  Brady leaves to be a Head Coach.

 

We saw what this offense looked like when Shakir missed a game, you need more margin than that. 

 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Sojourner said:

Adding Randy Moss was insane. As much as I dislike that team, I hand them to it on that. 23 TDs is nuts on a season. 

Absolute bananas they lost that Super Bowl.  I was goin through the regular season net points of teams that appeared in the superbowl and those pats giants bowls were like the highest net points for teams that appeared vs the lowest net points haha 

the 2011 giants team was -6 😂 2007 wasn’t quite as bad 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Fair enough.... 

I think for the sake of argument he is I think the true X receiver (or whatever they called it when he was coming in).  The question is probably what do people think is a #1 receiver.  Some think its most receptions, so think its most yardage but more importantly for me I think it's who the defense worries about and gameplans against most.  That could have been Kincaid with Shakir helping out but Kincaid I don't think progressed the way they wanted him to.  

#1 receiver and #1 target in the offense are two different things.

[oldmanfan]

41 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The OP said he's a "legit #1 WR." That isn't close to true. We don't have a legit #1 WR. I once said you need one to win a Super Bowl. We're two wins away from proving me wrong.

Look to the Chiefs last year

[Billsfed1]

Shakir is a fine receiver.  Call him what you want…but he’s good.

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, Billsfed1 said:

Shakir is a fine receiver.  Call him what you want…but he’s good.

it’s like when Stevie was wr1 

 

he’s productive but not keeping coordinators up at night. 
 

ultimately everybody eats is nice enough but if everybody included a few guys that are better than we currently have then our margin for error would be much larger. I don’t think any of us would be mad if Brian Thomas was at the dinner table. 

[YoloinOhio]

It’s a target-agnostic offense. Good luck “Spags”

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Bill Cowher called him “Shaquille Khalier” today 🤣

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Shakir is extremely underrated 

 

He is a chain mover who makes people miss and break tackles 

 

Reliable and savvy 

 

I mean he's a 5th round pick.. that's why he slept on

Preaching to the choir my man.  I had him as a 2nd rd pick-  I wanted him over Cook.  He’s on a different level than 99% of the WRs after the catch imo.  

[BigAl2526]

Obviously, statistics provide a strong argument that Shakir is the Bills #1 receiver.   Josh Allen clearly has a comfort level with him and he gets open, not to mention his yards after the catch prowess.  However, Josh is not so married to Shakir that he won't feed another receiver a bunch of targets if that player is getting open.  The fact that Josh Allen trusts Coleman, Cooper, Hollins and Samuel to make plays will limit the ability of opposing defensive coordinators to affect the Bills' offense by taking away the #1 receiver.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

The OP said he's a "legit #1 WR." That isn't close to true. We don't have a legit #1 WR. I once said you need one to win a Super Bowl. We're two wins away from proving me wrong.

You’re thinking in a box.  As if the term WR#1 has to be meta X WR.  If your first

option WR is a top tier RAC athlete and your pass game revolves around short passes that beats teams with RAC all day and has big forceful WRs on the outside to mow down defenders- than that WR is a legit WR1.  That WR doesnt  have to meet the meta that you seem to be speaking of.  He just needs to be able to do what is asked for of him.  And we ask more of him than any WR on our team.  People that watch him play say- “DAM, you see that?  THAT dude is nasty!”    It doesn’t matter if he meets the meta.  
 

Teams have already won Super Bowls without legit #1 WR

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Absolute bananas they lost that Super Bowl.  I was goin through the regular season net points of teams that appeared in the superbowl and those pats giants bowls were like the highest net points for teams that appeared vs the lowest net points haha 

the 2011 giants team was -6 😂 2007 wasn’t quite as bad 

Spags

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Preaching to the choir my man.  I had him as a 2nd rd pick-  I wanted him over Cook.  He’s on a different level than 99% of the WRs after the catch imo.  

I mean, he’s not chase, ceedee, JJ, nabers, ARSB, puka, etc… then you run into guys like deebo as a rare specimen in space. even mcconkey had more broken tackles. You’d clearly put the ball in aj browns hands first given the option.
 

in yards after contact - Nico was great last year with a ton of broken tackles l, though down this. Rashee rice was excellent last year 
 

Not even mentioning tyreek here with not being sure what he is today. 

 

i think shakir is very talented but “on a different level than 99%” probably over states it a good bit. He’s a solid blue collar guy that does a lot well, doesn’t make many mistakes and has a good attitude. We don’t have to put him in the top 1% of WRs on anything. It’s unfair to him. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, he’s not chase, ceedee, JJ, nabers, ARSB, puka, etc… then you run into guys like deebo as a rare specimen in space. even mcconkey had more broken tackles. You’d clearly put the ball in aj browns hands first given the option.
 

in yards after contact - Nico was great last year with a ton of broken tackles l, though down this. Rashee rice was excellent last year 
 

Not even mentioning tyreek here with not being sure what he is today. 

 

i think shakir is very talented but “on a different level than 99%” probably over states it a good bit. He’s a solid blue collar guy that does a lot well, doesn’t make many mistakes and has a good attitude. We don’t have to put him in the top 1% of WRs on anything. It’s unfair to him. 

I’ll take Shakir over most of those guys for the plays in which he’s used in Buffalo 

 

 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, he’s not chase, ceedee, JJ, nabers, ARSB, puka, etc… then you run into guys like deebo as a rare specimen in space. even mcconkey had more broken tackles. You’d clearly put the ball in aj browns hands first given the option.
 

in yards after contact - Nico was great last year with a ton of broken tackles l, though down this. Rashee rice was excellent last year 
 

Not even mentioning tyreek here with not being sure what he is today. 

 

i think shakir is very talented but “on a different level than 99%” probably over states it a good bit. He’s a solid blue collar guy that does a lot well, doesn’t make many mistakes and has a good attitude. We don’t have to put him in the top 1% of WRs on anything. It’s unfair to him. 

I mean- I can have my opinion- you can disagree with it.

 

He had more rac yards than everyone in the league except for Chase-  he was that guy this year.  that’s not made up. That would put him right around top 1% would it not?  He’s special with the ball in his hands.  I would regard him as an elite rac playmaker.  Feel free to disagree  

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

Am I the only one that thought this post started 6 months ago?

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, he’s not chase, ceedee, JJ, nabers, ARSB, puka, etc… then you run into guys like deebo as a rare specimen in space. even mcconkey had more broken tackles. You’d clearly put the ball in aj browns hands first given the option.
 

in yards after contact - Nico was great last year with a ton of broken tackles l, though down this. Rashee rice was excellent last year 
 

Not even mentioning tyreek here with not being sure what he is today. 

 

i think shakir is very talented but “on a different level than 99%” probably over states it a good bit. He’s a solid blue collar guy that does a lot well, doesn’t make many mistakes and has a good attitude. We don’t have to put him in the top 1% of WRs on anything. It’s unfair to him. 

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Shakir is a less douchie Julian Edelman. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I mean- I can have my opinion- you can disagree with it.

 

He had more rac yards than everyone in the league except for Chase-  he was that guy this year.  that’s not made up. That would put him right around top 1% would it not?  He’s special with the ball in his hands.  I would regard him as an elite rac playmaker.  Feel free to disagree  

Do you think anything of his YAC and the way he’s used? 
 

For example, Achane actually had more YAC than Shakir. 
 

Do you think that number may be more of usage factor than being the third best /elite YAC guy in 2024?

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Do you think anything of his YAC and the way he’s used? 
 

For example, Achane actually had more YAC than Shakir. 
 

Do you think that number may be more of usage factor than being the third best /elite YAC guy in 2024?

No man.  I watch players run and decide who is great by my eyes. Stats just happened to align with my eyes in this case.  Do you not think he’s elite yac?  It’s just my opinion

 

achane is a RB.  I should’ve mentioned that I’m talking about WRs. That’s what this thread is discussing- WRs.  I don’t think he’s in the top 1% of all positions rac 

Edited Saturday at 04:23 AM by NewEra

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I mean- I can have my opinion- you can disagree with it.

 

He had more rac yards than everyone in the league except for Chase-  he was that guy this year.  that’s not made up. That would put him right around top 1% would it not?  He’s special with the ball in his hands.  I would regard him as an elite rac playmaker.  Feel free to disagree  

on another level than 99% really stretched it though. 
 

I guess if chalking all 6 WRs for 32 teams and only weighing that single stat he is 2 of 200 literally… but I think you’d be hard pressed to generally sell anyone on the idea that given the top 32 WRs they’d pick him as top 5 with the ball in their hands. 
 

he’s pretty darn good with it but also in a very friendly scheme with a qb giving him great touches and as mentioned has solid blocking out there. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Do you think anything of his YAC and the way he’s used? 
 

For example, Achane actually had more YAC than Shakir. 
 

Do you think that number may be more of usage factor than being the third best /elite YAC guy in 2024?

I watch a lot of reaction videos of opposing teams fans watching Bills game highlights. One reason is to see how people react to Shakir’s highlights.  Everyone is on his jock-  his wtf moments are top tier.  Not many WRs are doing what he’s doing “after the catch”.

 

yes the offense helps him-  our blocking is insane- but he routinely bounces off would be tacklers.  Combined with his juke set up-  he’s a terror.  Disagree-  fine by me

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

on another level than 99% really stretched it though. 
 

I guess if chalking all 6 WRs for 32 teams and only weighing that single stat he is 2 of 200 literally… but I think you’d be hard pressed to generally sell anyone on the idea that given the top 32 WRs they’d pick him as top 5 with the ball in their hands. 
 

he’s pretty darn good with it but also in a very friendly scheme with a qb giving him great touches and as mentioned has solid blocking out there. 

In your opinion it stretched it.  If I said 96% would you agree?  Meh- nitpicking comment imo.