We don’t have a number 1 WR

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

So in 2018 the #1 receiver for the Patriots was James White, not Edelman or Gronk, is that what you are saying?

 

Just now, Billzgobowlin said:

Cherry picking stats.  Don't forget 2011 and 2012.  Also how many games was Gronk out.

Oh man-  this is amazing-  guy cites me for cherry picking stats then talks about one year James white leads in targets due to an Edelman injury.  
 

I was talking about a 7 year span. Not one season like you.  
 

thanks for the laughs though.  I’m out

 

You can still delete them!!

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

 

Oh man-  this is amazing-  guy cites me for cherry picking stats then talks about one year James white leads in targets due to an Edelman injury.  
 

I was talking about a 7 year span. Not one season like you.  
 

thanks for the laughs though.  I’m out

 

You can still delete them!!

Guess you don't like others playing your game.  James White was to show how insane your mindset is.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

LOL.  Go back and factor per game on Gronk then.  Might hurt your argument.  To say Edelman is the number one target is crazy when Gronk was on the team.

I’m back-  go ahead-  tell me how many seasons that gronk out targeted Edelman per game from 2013-2018

 

ill read you’re reply- but I’m still out!  Have fun with this

Edited Saturday at 01:25 AM by NewEra

[mbs]

2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think the players on offense can work as long as Samuel shows his old self. 

Still think they can get there without him, but I agree. I'd be much more convinced by the everyone eats mantra if he showed what I expected when he was signed and I still think he may.

[Billzgobowlin]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m back-  go ahead-  tell me how many seasons that gronk out targeted Edelman per game from 2013-2018

I'm trying to keep up are we talking per game and focusing on cherry pick years?  Just trying to understand your rules lol

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

So in 2018 the #1 receiver for the Patriots was James White, not Edelman or Gronk, is that what you are saying?

So then it's also not gronkowski LOL 

 

You're actually proving my point that Tom Brady can win with James White and Julian Edelman getting the most targets lol

 

But James White is running 2 yard routes and he's not even a wide receiver or tight end.. he was Tom Brady's checkdown specialist

Edited Saturday at 01:28 AM by Buffalo716

[Billzgobowlin]

Just now, mbs said:

Still think they can get there without him, but I agree. I'd be much more convinced by the everyone eats mantra if he showed what I expected when he was signed and I still think he may.

I would feel much better honestly if Kincaid progressed more.  That's the killer right there

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

So then it's also not gronkowski LOL 

 

You're actually proving my point that Tom Brady can win with James White and Julian Edelman getting the most targets lol

 

But James White is running to yard routes and he's not even a wide receiver or tight end.. he was Tom Brady's checkdown specialist

So I absolutely don't disagree with that at all.  Only thing I was saying was Edelmen isn't a #1 

[MJS]

Amari Cooper is the #1 receiver. Shakir is the slot receiver. The Bills offense does not feature the #1 receiver. They spread the ball around and target whoever is open and focus on specific matchups week to week.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I would feel much better honestly if Kincaid progressed more.  That's the killer right there

So I absolutely don't disagree with that at all.  Only thing I was saying was Edelmen isn't a #1 

Tom Brady says he was their number one

[Billzgobowlin]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Tom Brady says he was their number one

Fair enough.... 

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Amari Cooper is the #1 receiver. Shakir is the slot receiver. The Bills offense does not feature the #1 receiver. They spread the ball around and target whoever is open and focus on specific matchups week to week.

I think for the sake of argument he is I think the true X receiver (or whatever they called it when he was coming in).  The question is probably what do people think is a #1 receiver.  Some think its most receptions, so think its most yardage but more importantly for me I think it's who the defense worries about and gameplans against most.  That could have been Kincaid with Shakir helping out but Kincaid I don't think progressed the way they wanted him to.  

[HappyDays]

Come on man. Shakir would be the #1 WR for maybe one offense in the entire league, the Patriots.

[nedboy7]

But at least we have a rookie Safety 

[Supercoupe91]

Kelce is a tight end. Most of his catches are 3-10 yards.  
 

Smith shuster is a wide receiver.  
 

Kelce played a little marques colston / antonio gates in early years, but a tight end now.

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Come on man. Shakir would be the #1 WR for maybe one offense in the entire league, the Patriots.

He’s not our X.  Cooper is our best X and the guy teams have to worry about most on the outside by a mile.  But I’m pretty sure he’s 4th in snaps per game since he’s joined the team.  I don’t understand how that guy could be our WR1.  He’s our best WR. 

 

Our pass game revolves around Shakir.  I don’t see how he is not the WR1 on this team.  It doesn’t matter how many teams he’d be WR1 on.  That’s not relevant imo.  We’re talking about our offense.  And Shakir is the man in the pass game.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, dayman said:

I hear this a lot this week, in particular, as the football world focuses on our game. It’s usally said as a positive.
 

But the question is—when will everyone (including us) just acknowledge that Khalil Shakir is our number 1 and a legit number 1?
 

He’s no Megatron and we spread the ball but I think he’s good enough for us, and good enough period, that this should be considered an insult to him.

 

 

When he becomes one. 
 

He doesn’t even show up on the first page for WR leaders in any stat that matters.  He’s a good player, but if you think he’s a #1, you’re kidding yourself.   He may get the most targets on this team, but that’s an indictment of the system and lack of standout players.   The whole team is a compilation of Jags and Josh Allen.  What they are doing is amazing.

Edited Saturday at 02:21 AM by DCofNC

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s not our X.  Cooper is our best X and the guy teams have to worry about most on the outside by a mile.  But I’m pretty sure he’s 4th in snaps per game since he’s joined the team.  I don’t understand how that guy could be our WR1.  He’s our best WR. 

 

Our pass game revolves around Shakir.  I don’t see how he is not the WR1 on this team.  It doesn’t matter how many teams he’d be WR1 on.  That’s not relevant imo.  We’re talking about our offense.  And Shakir is the man in the pass game.

Shakir is extremely underrated 

 

He is a chain mover who makes people miss and break tackles 

 

Reliable and savvy 

 

I mean he's a 5th round pick.. that's why he slept on

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, dayman said:

I hear this a lot this week, in particular, as the football world focuses on our game. It’s usally said as a positive.
 

But the question is—when will everyone (including us) just acknowledge that Khalil Shakir is our number 1 and a legit number 1?
 

He’s no Megatron and we spread the ball but I think he’s good enough for us, and good enough period, that this should be considered an insult to him.

 

 

 

It's the same model the Patriots had for almost two decades outside the few years with Moss.

 

A collection of excellent slot wrs and great te play, that would compliment a very strong oline and run game. 

 

Troy Brown, to Welker to Edelman 

 

This has gone from Beasley to Shakir 

 

Watson to Gronk

 

This is the Kincaid/ Knox era

 

 

Edited Saturday at 02:18 AM by Kelly to Allen

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s not our X.  Cooper is our best X and the guy teams have to worry about most on the outside by a mile.  But I’m pretty sure he’s 4th in snaps per game since he’s joined the team.  I don’t understand how that guy could be our WR1.  He’s our best WR. 

 

Our pass game revolves around Shakir.  I don’t see how he is not the WR1 on this team.  It doesn’t matter how many teams he’d be WR1 on.  That’s not relevant imo.  We’re talking about our offense.  And Shakir is the man in the pass game.

 

The OP said he's a "legit #1 WR." That isn't close to true. We don't have a legit #1 WR. I once said you need one to win a Super Bowl. We're two wins away from proving me wrong.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The OP said he's a "legit #1 WR." That isn't close to true. We don't have a legit #1 WR. I once said you need one to win a Super Bowl. We're two wins away from proving me wrong.

Plenty of teams have won super bowls without a legit number one lol

 

Ravens? Eagles? KC

 

Megatron and Randy Moss ochocinco, Julio Jones , aj green

 

The most dominant x receivers in the league didn't win Jack the last 15-20 years 

Edited Saturday at 02:23 AM by Buffalo716

[McMuffin]

This team reminds me a lot of the 2001 Patriots in that there wasn’t one receiver that struck fear into your heart but collectively, they were very hard to stop.