We don’t have a number 1 WR

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No man.  I watch players run and decide who is great by my eyes. Stats just happened to align with my eyes in this case.  Do you not think he’s elite yac?  It’s just my opinion

 

achane is a RB.  I should’ve mentioned that I’m talking about WRs. That’s what this thread is discussing- WRs.  I don’t think he’s in the top 1% of all positions rac 

 

Just now, NewEra said:

I watch a lot of reaction videos of opposing teams fans watching Bills game highlights. One reason is to see how people react to Shakir’s highlights.  Everyone is on his jock-  his wtf moments are top tier.  Not many WRs are doing what he’s doing “after the catch”.

 

yes the offense helps him-  our blocking is insane- but he routinely bounces off would be tacklers.  Combined with his juke set up-  he’s a terror.  Disagree-  fine by me

Shakir is really good. He has an elite wiggle imo when it comes to getting some extra yards or slipping past the first defender.

 

I don’t think of him as an elite YAC guy still. Elite YAC guys to me are the guys with the threat to take a crosser or quick slant for an extra 10 or 20 or 30 yards. 1 play TD threats with the ball in their hands. Chase, Lamb, even Deebo before he fell apart would qualify as elite YAC imo. 
 

It’s kind of a philosophical discussion imo. Is the big play YAC better than the death by a thousand cuts YAC? I think there’s a decent argument either way. I would lean big play but if you wanna say Shakir is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to turning a 2 yard pass into a 8-12 yard play, I wouldn’t disagree. 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

on another level than 99% really stretched it though. 
 

I guess if chalking all 6 WRs for 32 teams and only weighing that single stat he is 2 of 200 literally… but I think you’d be hard pressed to generally sell anyone on the idea that given the top 32 WRs they’d pick him as top 5 with the ball in their hands. 
 

he’s pretty darn good with it but also in a very friendly scheme with a qb giving him great touches and as mentioned has solid blocking out there. 

I’m not selling anything- just stating my opinion.  I have my eyes- highlights and stats to back it up but I don’t really care if you buy it.  Compare his rac highlights to guys other than chase and hill (and hill may not even be included anymore.  He certainly wasn’t last year).  Nabers is up there too but I don’t think his arc tape this year was as impressive as Shakir’s.  

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I watch a lot of reaction videos of opposing teams fans watching Bills game highlights. One reason is to see how people react to Shakir’s highlights.  Everyone is on his jock-  his wtf moments are top tier.  Not many WRs are doing what he’s doing “after the catch”.

 

yes the offense helps him-  our blocking is insane- but he routinely bounces off would be tacklers.  Combined with his juke set up-  he’s a terror.  Disagree-  fine by me

In your opinion it stretched it.  If I said 96% would you agree?  Meh- nitpicking comment imo.  

debating if he’s top 20% of starting WRs just doesn’t have the same elite ring as top .00001% of guys that catch passes across the various football leagues (flag or tackle)

[NewEra]

Just now, FireChans said:

 

Shakir is really good. He has an elite wiggle imo when it comes to getting some extra yards or slipping past the first defender.

 

I don’t think of him as an elite YAC guy still. Elite YAC guys to me are the guys with the threat to take a crosser or quick slant for an extra 10 or 20 or 30 yards. 1 play TD threats with the ball in their hands. Chase, Lamb, even Deebo before he fell apart would qualify as elite YAC imo. 
 

It’s kind of a philosophical discussion imo. Is the big play YAC better than the death by a thousand cuts YAC? I think there’s a decent argument either way. I would lean big play but if you wanna say Shakir is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to turning a 2 yard pass into a 8-12 yard play, I wouldn’t disagree. 

I disagree 💯-  that’s fine

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

debating if he’s top 20% of starting WRs just doesn’t have the same elite ring as top .00001% of guys that catch passes across the various football leagues (flag or tackle)

Huh?

This has already kept me up too late-  I’ll check you gents in the morning

[HappyDays]

50 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’re thinking in a box.  As if the term WR#1 has to be meta X WR.

 

I'm really not though. Kelce is/was a #1. Kupp was a #1. I'm not saying it has to be a full time outside WR. I'm saying it has to be a player that is worthy of getting majority target share in any offense. Shakir isn't that. Great complementary player though.

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

Shakir is really good. He has an elite wiggle imo when it comes to getting some extra yards or slipping past the first defender.

 

I don’t think of him as an elite YAC guy still. Elite YAC guys to me are the guys with the threat to take a crosser or quick slant for an extra 10 or 20 or 30 yards. 1 play TD threats with the ball in their hands. Chase, Lamb, even Deebo before he fell apart would qualify as elite YAC imo. 
 

It’s kind of a philosophical discussion imo. Is the big play YAC better than the death by a thousand cuts YAC? I think there’s a decent argument either way. I would lean big play but if you wanna say Shakir is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to turning a 2 yard pass into a 8-12 yard play, I wouldn’t disagree. 

oh, totally. It’s the explosive running back vs the guy that gets 4 yards every touch no matter what. 
 

I think shakir does a great job squeezing yards darn near every catch. Feels like even when he goes down for the catch he rolls for 2 yards consistently. 
 

but you can’t watch ceedee lamb highlights and think that we have the same guy, even if isolated to with the ball in his hands. 

Thats not an insult to KS, but just an unreasonable standard to judge him by

[Mike in Horseheads]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

Shakir is really good. He has an elite wiggle imo when it comes to getting some extra yards or slipping past the first defender.

 

I don’t think of him as an elite YAC guy still. Elite YAC guys to me are the guys with the threat to take a crosser or quick slant for an extra 10 or 20 or 30 yards. 1 play TD threats with the ball in their hands. Chase, Lamb, even Deebo before he fell apart would qualify as elite YAC imo. 
 

It’s kind of a philosophical discussion imo. Is the big play YAC better than the death by a thousand cuts YAC? I think there’s a decent argument either way. I would lean big play but if you wanna say Shakir is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to turning a 2 yard pass into a 8-12 yard play, I wouldn’t disagree. 

So "shifty hips"

 

[Beast]

Andre Reed was a #1 playing in the slot. And don’t tell me that was 30 plus years ago so it doesn’t count. That offense was as modern then as it would be now.

Edited Saturday at 09:10 AM by Beast

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, NoSaint said:

oh, totally. It’s the explosive running back vs the guy that gets 4 yards every touch no matter what. 
 

I think shakir does a great job squeezing yards darn near every catch. Feels like even when he goes down for the catch he rolls for 2 yards consistently. 
 

but you can’t watch ceedee lamb highlights and think that we have the same guy, even if isolated to with the ball in his hands. 

Thats not an insult to KS, but just an unreasonable standard to judge him by

Lamb is exceptional-  he’s right there too.  Again- 96%?  Nit picking

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm really not though. Kelce is/was a #1. Kupp was a #1. I'm not saying it has to be a full time outside WR. I'm saying it has to be a player that is worthy of getting majority target share in any offense. Shakir isn't that. Great complementary player though.

YET- we have the 2nd most efficient offense since 2000 last I had saw) and Shakir had 100 targets-  next highest was 75 (Kincaid).  Next highest WR is 57.  
 

sounds to me like you have a strange opinion of what “worthy” is.  In OUR offense- he is 💯  worthy of being WR1.  Either that or our offense was just really lucky all season.  This is why I say you’re thinking in a box. He may not be worthy of those targets if the offense is predicated on throwing downfield.  But for an offense built around 2 yard passes and rac- sign me up

Edited Saturday at 11:16 AM by NewEra

[njbuff]

Like I’ve said…..

 

the Bills ABSOLUTELY have a number one WR, but for whatever reason, he’s on the back of a milk carton in this offense.

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, NoSaint said:

oh, totally. It’s the explosive running back vs the guy that gets 4 yards every touch no matter what. 
 

I think shakir does a great job squeezing yards darn near every catch. Feels like even when he goes down for the catch he rolls for 2 yards consistently. 
 

but you can’t watch ceedee lamb highlights and think that we have the same guy, even if isolated to with the ball in his hands. 

Thats not an insult to KS, but just an unreasonable standard to judge him by

I guess if there were 32 Shakir’s, and they were on each team, how many teams would think “Shakir is the most dangerous guy we have with the ball in his hands?”

 

Some teams? Yes. This Bills team? Definitely. Teams like Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Dallas, Detroit? No.

[jcamm1966]

Who was Philly WR when they beat Brady

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, dayman said:

I hear this a lot this week, in particular, as the football world focuses on our game. It’s usally said as a positive.
 

But the question is—when will everyone (including us) just acknowledge that Khalil Shakir is our number 1 and a legit number 1?
 

He’s no Megatron and we spread the ball but I think he’s good enough for us, and good enough period, that this should be considered an insult to him.

 

 

 

 

They'll acknowledge that he's a legit #1 when it happens. 

 

It hasn't yet.

 

It's no insult.

[ProcessTruster]

don't need one, we have 5  #2's .  works for me if 17 is QB

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

 

Shakir is really good. He has an elite wiggle imo when it comes to getting some extra yards or slipping past the first defender.

 

I don’t think of him as an elite YAC guy still. Elite YAC guys to me are the guys with the threat to take a crosser or quick slant for an extra 10 or 20 or 30 yards. 1 play TD threats with the ball in their hands. Chase, Lamb, even Deebo before he fell apart would qualify as elite YAC imo. 
 

It’s kind of a philosophical discussion imo. Is the big play YAC better than the death by a thousand cuts YAC? I think there’s a decent argument either way. I would lean big play but if you wanna say Shakir is one of the best in the NFL when it comes to turning a 2 yard pass into a 8-12 yard play, I wouldn’t disagree. 

 

 

Elite YAC guys are guys who get an elite amount of YAC. That's Shakir.

 

Glad we can agree that he's "one of the best in the NFL when it comes to turning a 2 yard pass into a 8 - 12 yard play." I think you're right about that.

 

YAC isn't hard to understand or a difficult interpretation. It's all in the initials, Yards After Catch. He's elite. Fair enough that you'd like to see him get more big gainers but a lot of that is simply that against the Bills most Ds are playing Cover2 or Cover 3 and have more guys over the top of most plays.

 

Anyway, I love having him on the team as you obviously do.

[oldmanfan]

Everybody eats.  Brady’s mantra since preseason.  And it has them in the AFC championship game.  Chiefs seem to be the same type of offense.  Perhaps that’s an argument that the #1 WR thing is overrated?

[CoudyBills]

Your number 1 option and A number 1 receiver are not the same thing.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

Like I’ve said…..

 

the Bills ABSOLUTELY have a number one WR, but for whatever reason, he’s on the back of a milk carton in this offense.

But all it will take is one big game either this weekend or the Superbowl and his price will shoot up again in free agency. Teams love when players show up in big games.

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

I’ll take Shakir over most of those guys for the plays in which he’s used in Buffalo 

 

 

The Patriots won many SB without having a true #1 WR.  They believed in "everyone eats" concept and had plays go through Welker, Edelmen, the TEs and the RBs...The current Bills offense eerily seems similar to those SB winning teams...Go Bills !!!

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

14 hours ago, dayman said:

I hear this a lot this week, in particular, as the football world focuses on our game. It’s usally said as a positive.
 

But the question is—when will everyone (including us) just acknowledge that Khalil Shakir is our number 1 and a legit number 1?
 

He’s no Megatron and we spread the ball but I think he’s good enough for us, and good enough period, that this should be considered an insult to him.

 

 

 

Amari Cooper is our #1 WR and I'm hoping it plays out like that this weekend. 

Edited Saturday at 03:13 PM by BuffaloBillsGospel2014