We don’t have a number 1 WR

[dayman]

I hear this a lot this week, in particular, as the football world focuses on our game. It’s usally said as a positive.
 

But the question is—when will everyone (including us) just acknowledge that Khalil Shakir is our number 1 and a legit number 1?
 

He’s no Megatron and we spread the ball but I think he’s good enough for us, and good enough period, that this should be considered an insult to him.

 

 

[msw2112]

Typically a #1 is an outside guy and Shakir is a slot guy, so I wouldn't classify him as a #1.  That said, I'm not all that hung up on assigning numbers to wide receivers.  Shakir is a starter and our best wide receiver, regardless of any number that may be assigned to him.  I agree on that.  I also think that this team is more than capable of going all the way with the receiving corps they have.  The next step is on Sunday.

[NewEra]

Uhoh

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, msw2112 said:

Typically a #1 is an outside guy and Shakir is a slot guy, so I wouldn't classify him as a #1.  That said, I'm not all that hung up on assigning numbers to wide receivers.  Shakir is a starter and our best wide receiver, regardless of any number that may be assigned to him.  I agree on that.  I also think that this team is more than capable of going all the way with the receiving corps they have.  The next step is on Sunday.

Julian Edelman was the number one wide receiver on multiple Patriots teams

[Billzgobowlin]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Julian Edelman was the number one wide receiver on multiple Patriots teams

Eh, I would say Gronk was the #1 on that team.  Wes Welker to me makes mores sense.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Eh, I would say Gronk was the #1 on that team.  Wes Welker to me makes mores sense.

Wide receiver I did not say catching option 

 

Julian Edelman 100% had the wide receiver offense ran through him multiple times Tom Brady said it himself.. heck the offense ran for him three or four years to the number one targeting player on the team 

 

Welker had Randy Moss taking the top off for a few years..

 

But they both were number one wide receivers at a point for Tom Brady

Edited yesterday at 12:39 AM by Buffalo716

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wide receiver I did not say catching option 

 

Julian Edelman 100% had the wide receiver offense ran through him multiple times Tom Brady said it himself

 

Edelman had Randy Moss taking the top off for a few years

That's just silly.  

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

That's just silly.  

No it's not 

 

He was getting 140-150 target's a year 

 

He was their number one wide receiver and got more targets than everybody on the team

 

Rob gronkowski was just more dominant

Edited yesterday at 12:36 AM by Buffalo716

[Sojourner]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wide receiver I did not say catching option 

 

Julian Edelman 100% had the wide receiver offense ran through him multiple times Tom Brady said it himself

 

Welker had Randy Moss taking the top off for a few years..

 

But they both were number one wide receivers at a point for Tom Brady

Adding Randy Moss was insane. As much as I dislike that team, I hand them to it on that. 23 TDs is nuts on a season. 

[Supercoupe91]

Neither does KC, so even matchup.

 

[Billzgobowlin]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wide receiver I did not say catching option 

 

Julian Edelman 100% had the wide receiver offense ran through him multiple times Tom Brady said it himself

 

Welker had Randy Moss taking the top off for a few years..

 

But they both were number one wide receivers at a point for Tom Brady

Agreed Randy Moss was a force.  I do think Welker is more appropriate to Shakir.  Welker was a huge YAC guy and worked well with Moss as Shakir worked better with a Amari Cooper on the field

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

That's just silly.  

No it’s not

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

No it’s not

The silly part is what I highlighted that people don't think of him as a #1 receiver because he was a Tight End

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

No we don’t, and it’s working out pretty well thus far.  Coop was supposed to be that guy, but he’s just a small piece of the puzzle. Win Sunday and it won’t matter. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

The silly part is what I highlighted that people don't think of him as a #1 receiver because he was a Tight End

Well Julian Edelman outgained him in targets for most of their career 

 

Including leading the Patriots four times...

 

So he was there number one option, including on some sb teams

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

The silly part is what I highlighted that people don't think of him as a #1 receiver because he was a Tight End

Edelman out targeted gronk every season by a fair amount.  
 

what’s a #1 WR?  some say it an X that plays outside and get lots of targets able to beat man coverage on the reg.  
 

neither Edelman nor Gronk were that.  If a team has neither, I’d have to say the #1 was the guy that got the most targets.  That was Edelman.  
 

Doesn’t hurt that he’s an actual WR and not a TE- but that’s not my reasoning.

 

Having multiple guys that a defense has to focus on rather than one guy that can be doubled and taken out of the game plan.  It may be difficult to amass the talent capable of this if you don’t have the proper QB-  but we do, so I’m not sweating it.  The progressions are similar to my favorite Guru (Gangstarr) lyrics-  “ex girl to the next girl”.  
 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

Everybody eats.  Brady has said it since preseason.  Maybe it’s time to listen.

[Charles Romes]

Based on the success of his limited targets, cooper has forced defenses to cover the boundaries. That’s a primary function of a 1. 

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Edelman out targeted gronk every season by a fair amount.  
 

what’s a #1 WR?  some say it an X that plays outside and get lots of targets able to beat man coverage on the reg.  
 

neither Edelman nor Gronk were that.  If a team has neither, I’d have to say the #1 was the guy that got the most targets.  That was Edelman.  
 

Doesn’t hurt that he’s an actual WR and not a TE- but that’s not my reasoning.

 

Having multiple guys that a defense has to focus on rather than one guy that can be doubled and taken out of the game plan.  It may be difficult to amass the talent capable of this if you don’t have the proper QB-  but we do, so I’m not sweating it.  The progressions are similar to my favorite Guru (Gangstarr) lyrics-  “ex girl to the next girl”.  
 

 

 

If Edelman was on a team I wouldn't worry about taking him out of the game, Gronk was the key.  Targets is not a very telling stat as Gronk was less likely open most of the time.  I'm not sure this is the discussion we really want to have on this thread, though.  All I am saying is Shakir reminds me more of Welker.

[Malazan]

Glad you really applied yourself and figured it out.