9 blue chip players to win a SuperBowl

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Using this year's PFF grades;

Offense:

Allen

McGovern

Kincaid [low snap count due to missing games]

Cook

Shakir

Spencer

Dion

all rank in Top 32 at their positions, theoretically could have a spot on any team in the league

 

Defense

Benford

Groot

Oliver

[Von] - again low snap count

 

That's 9-12 who could start for any team in the league.

 

Personally, I don't agree with the coaches initial comment you need 9 blue chip players, there is way too much context missing for that to just be an accurate statement.  

 

However, I don't think he is just counting average to below average starters as "blue chips" as you are referencing by the "top 32 at their positions".  For example, the 31st ranked Strong Safety isn't a good player, let alone a "Blue Chip", and is in fact a player I would bet that team wants to upgrade from.  

 

And you said being top 32 means you could start for "any team" in the league...but it actually doesn't.  Means there is some team(s) you might start for, but not that you can start for "any team" in the league.  That 31st ranked SS isn't going to start for many teams, if any, outside the team he already starts on.  

 

My guess is he is talking at least top 10 if he is calling them "Blue Chips", maybe even top 5 at certain positions to be considered a blue chip.  

 

But like I said, I don't think the coach who said that is correct anyway...I think things like team/scheme fit, chemistry, execution, mindset, etc are more consistently important than any specific number of "blue chip" players.  

 

 

[JerseyBills]

I'd add Benford as well 

[BuffaloBillies]

23 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

could you explain this to me please?

 

And I don’t mind if you’re offensive, I just don’t quite get the reference - and I’d like to!

 

 

[Danger Mouse]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

 

 

oh well that explains it 

[Prospector]

29 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

could you explain this to me please?

 

And I don’t mind if you’re offensive, I just don’t quite get the reference - and I’d like to!

Rex has a foot fetish

[Danger Mouse]

4 minutes ago, Prospector said:

Rex has a foot fetish

Well, all discerning men do

 

Fair play, rex 

[Augie]

What shade of blue are we talking about? 

[Pete]

Bills OLine, including Alex and Josh is 7

[eball]

Sort of a bull-s-h-i-t analysis IMO.  Sounds like a guy just trying to be dramatic, as if he has “cracked the code.”

 

Go figure, you need a bunch of good players to win a Super Bowl.  Stop the presses!

 

I think the Bills have more than proven that their roster is capable of brining home some hardware.

 

[skibum]

Von may not have his best fastball anymore, but he's still a blue chip player in my book. Even at 35, he has more physical ability than 75% of his peers, is one of the smartest guys in the league, and brings a first-ballot resume worth of experience to every snap he plays. 

 

Milano was a 'Definite' at his peak - hopefully he can get back there on Sunday.

 

Brown is much better than 'Maybe'. 

 

If we're strictly talking about skill and ability to play the game, and not about stats; then I feel that most of the guys on the OP's list qualify. There is a ton of talent and football IQ on the Bills roster right now. Also a lot of 'complete' players - WRs who block well, RBs who can catch, OL who can pull, etc. 

Edited 5 hours ago by skibum

[Robert Paulson]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

I'd say:

 

Offense: Josh Allen, Dion Dawkins, Spencer Brown, Khalil Shakir, James Cook

 

Defense: Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Matt Milano (if healthy), Terrel Bernard

 

Spencer Brown should 100% be included. He has established himself as an elite level tackle in this league. Dawkins has only elevated his status as elite this year. Both of them are great. I'm a little iffy on Shakir and Bernard, but I think they both have the potential, and they both have a knack for making big plays in critical moments. Rousseau is a possibility, but he just doesn't get the sacks. Elite run defender, though. Oliver is another, but he is too streaky for me.

Add mack hollins.  He elevates everything 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Spencer brown a maybe? Milano seems to have earned it back the last few weeks…I think it took him some time to get it going after the injury 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

A former coach on Sirius radio was saying that you need 9 "blue chip" players to win a SuperBowl.  Didnt really define what blue chip was, but lets say Pro Bowl calibre.  So one of the top 4 in the conference.

 

Who are the Bill 9?

 

Definite: Allen, Cook, Dawkins, Taron Johnson, 

Probably:  Shakir, Rouseau, Bernard, Benford,

Maybe:  Spencer Brown,  Oliver, Milano, Kincaid, Von

 

Thats 9, so I guess we can win this year.

 

THoughts?

 

Probably going light on the O-line.  When you look at how well the Bills have run the ball and Allen is hardly ever sacked, could argue at least 4 of the 5 belong on list  I'd move Benford and Groot up to definite line and would add Knox

[The Cincinnati Kid]

The Bills this year are like the 1980 Hockey team. Bean is the mastermind Herb Brooks putting the right guys together and McDermott is Coach Craig just blowing the whistle and clapping.

Edited 4 hours ago by The Cincinnati Kid

[MasterStrategist]

Without listening to what the Coach said in context, I'd disagree about needing 9 blue chip players.

 

The entire concept of need X number of blue chip players, is just wrong IMO.

 

You can win in many ways.  Football is the ultimate team sport, unlike basketball where 1 blue chip player changes everything.  

 

It's more difficult to win a SB without having an elite or borderline elite player.  But we've seen it done, if you have a dominant defense/supporting cast.

 

To me, it starts with QB then OL and DL.  Usually if you have those components figured out, you're going to be difficult to beat.  We don't have the top DL, but we make up for it in our "middle" (Taron, Bernard, Milano) and having a stud corner in Benford.

 

One of these days, if we actually land a "blur chip DE", or can get better consistent pass rush collectively, that will level the field with KC.  Until then, we need Ed Von Groot etc to play their best, and generate turnovers.

[Buffalo716]

Blue Chip is typically a college football term for a four or five star recruit 

 

I totally understand what he means when he says a blue chip player for the NFL level but that's very subjective

 

Because there are tons of Blue Chip level players who might not be pro bowlers or all pros they're under the radar

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

A former coach on Sirius radio was saying that you need 9 "blue chip" players to win a SuperBowl.  Didnt really define what blue chip was, but lets say Pro Bowl calibre.  So one of the top 4 in the conference.

 

Who are the Bill 9?

 

Definite: Allen, Cook, Dawkins, Taron Johnson, 

Probably:  Shakir, Rouseau, Bernard, Benford,

Maybe:  Spencer Brown,  Oliver, Milano, Kincaid, Von

 

Thats 9, so I guess we can win this year.

 

THoughts?

You don't need 9 blue chip players to win a Super Bowl.  There's a reason he's a FORMER coach.  😀

[billsfan89]

What is a "Blue Chip" player? is it an All-Pro or a Pro-Bowler? I would say that a Blue Chip player is a top 10 player at their position (and for Guard, DT, and DE where there's two on the field at the same time fairly interchangeably I would say top 15). I would argue that the following players qualify as that. 

 

Firmly top 10 

1. Josh Allen
2. Cook
3. Dawkins
4. Spencer Brown
5. Taron 
6. Spencer Brown 
7. Shakir (If you consider a slot WR a separate position) 
8. Groot (top 15 DE)
9. McGovern
10. Benford 

Borderline top 10

1. Ed Oliver (top 15ish DT)
2. Torrence (top 15ish Guard) 
3. Bernard 
4. Milano
5. Kincaid 

So the Bills have about 9-10 (once again if you factor in slot WR as a position or not) and then about another 5 or so players who are right below that threshold or right on the bubble of that. I would also argue that the Bills don't have any glaring liabilities which is a massive strength. Every position is lined with at least a capable starter and there's a lot of solid role players. Guys like Edwards, Rapp, Hamlin, Douglas, AJE, Von, Daquon, and Cooper may not be top 10 players at their positions but they are at least capable starting caliber players. While Ty Johnson, Knox, Keon, Hollins, Samuel, Davis, Austin Johnson, Smoot, Dorian Williams, and Cam Lewis are all very strong role players who fill in well. 

 

TLDR: Bills have a good amount of top 10 players at their positions and several others that aren't far off while also having a well constructed roster with no glaring weaknesses, solid depth, and good role players. 

[Charles Romes]

The chiefs board sees Oliver as the guy on the Bills D to gameplan around.  

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Kincaid and Von don't really belong there. I guess we only have 7.

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