9 blue chip players to win a SuperBowl

[PoundingDog]

I said before - can someone count the number of HoF players in the last  10, 20, 30 years on teams that made the superbowl? Two teams every year so it's not too hard. The Superbowl Champs have mostly likely 2+. 

[ALLinALLEN]

Funny thing about media personalities (and why the legacy ones are the worst) is that if we win the superbowl, they’ll say and name 9. If we dont, they’ll say we didnt have 9. It’s a nothing burger to me. 

Edited 4 hours ago by ALLinALLEN

[mathja]

6 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

A former coach on Sirius radio was saying that you need 9 "blue chip" players to win a SuperBowl.  Didnt really define what blue chip was, but lets say Pro Bowl calibre.  So one of the top 4 in the conference.

 

Who are the Bill 9?

 

Definite: Allen, Cook, Dawkins, Taron Johnson, 

Probably:  Shakir, Rouseau, Bernard, Benford,

Maybe:  Spencer Brown,  Oliver, Milano, Kincaid, Von

 

Thats 9, so I guess we can win this year.

 

THoughts?

That’s one formula. Another one is giving the best QB in the league the best offensive line in the League. 

[hondo in seattle]

We have a few purple and teal chips.   But blue chips?  Only one: Josh.

 

We'll win anyway.  

[folz]

2 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

I said before - can someone count the number of HoF players in the last  10, 20, 30 years on teams that made the superbowl? Two teams every year so it's not too hard. The Superbowl Champs have mostly likely 2+. 

 

As far as Super Bowls, for the last 8 years, no HOFers yet, as too many players are not eligible (still playing or recently retired). So, I won't add that into the data.

 

From SB 1 (1966/67) to SB 50 (2015/16), the average number of HOFers on the Super Bowl winning team is: 5.92 HOF players. Now that number is skewed a little down as there are still a decent number of guys from those later years still to get in (Brady, Brees, Gronk, etc.). But, it is at the same time inflated a bit by teams like Pittsburgh that had 14 HOFers on each on their 4 Super Bowl wins in the 1970s. Teams back in the day seemed to be a bit more stacked (prior to free agency). For instance, in the first 14 Super Bowls (1966-1979), the winning team averaged 10.5 HOFers. From the start of heavy free agency (late 90s) until now, when all is said and done, my guess is that SB winning teams will have averaged more like 4.5 HOFers on their squads (in this era).

 

https://www.profootballhof.com/football-history/hall-of-famers-in-the-super-bowl/

 

 

 

The below linked article shows how many Pro Bowlers or AP 1st-team All-Pros each Super Bowl winning team has had. [It doesn't separate PB/AP, if a team had either a Pro-Bowler or a 1st team All-Pro, they were included---but not doubled up.] I extrapolated some data from it:

 

-The average Super Bowl winning team (all SBs included, 1966-present) has had 6.7 Pro Bowl or First-Team All Pro players.

 

-However, over the last 10 years (2014-2023), the Super Bowl winning team has only averaged 4.3 Pro Bowl or First-Team All Pro players (SB winners were generally a little more stacked back in the day---as I previously stated).

 

SB Winners with just 1 Pro-Bowler/First-team AP All-Pro (2): The 2007 Giants and the 2020 Bucs.

SB Winners with just 2 Pro-Bowler/First-team AP All-Pro (2): The 2011 Giants, and the 2018 Patriots.

SB Winners with just 3 Pro-Bowler/First-team AP All-Pro (4): The 1970 Baltimore Colts, the 2006 Colts, the 2008 Steelers, and the 2016 Patriots. 

SB Winners with just 4 Pro-Bowler/First-team AP All-Pro (5): The 2001 Patriots, the 2003 Patriots, the 2014 Patriots, the 2015 Broncos, and the 2021 Rams.

 

13 of 58 Super Bowl winners had 4 or fewer PB/AP players (or 22.4% of the Super Bowl winners)

16 of 58 Super Bowl winners had 10 or more PB/AP players (or 27.6% of SB winners)

So, the bulk of teams (50%) had between 5 and 9 PB/AP players

 

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/ranking-every-super-bowl-champion

 

 

So, if going by Pro Bowl, All-Pro, HOF (as blue chip), I would say in the current era most Super Bowl winning teams have like 5 blue chip guys. If going by draft selection as blue chip (1st or 2nd rounder), well generally 48% of starters are from rounds 1 or 2, so about 12 players per team. If taking only first round starters as blue chip, then teams average about 7 first rounders starting on their team.

 

 

The Bills only have 2 PB/AP selections (Allen and Dawkins) (as only 7% of previous SB winners).

 

The Bills do have 8 First-Round draft selections on the team (Allen, Cooper, Kincaid, Miller, Oliver, Rousseau, Elam, and Trubisky---ok, not sure the last two really count since they're rarely on the field) and 10 Second-Round draft selections on the team (Bishop, Coleman, Cook, Dawkins, Epenesa, Johnson, Phillips, Rapp, Samuel, and Torrence). So, the Bills have like 13-14 1st or 2nd rounders starting or in heavy-rotation. They have 6 first rounders starting or playing significant minutes.

 

How many future HOFers for the Bills when the history is written? Josh, Von...then anyone else? Cooper? Dion? Maybe Cook, if he keeps scoring 18 TDs/year, but probably not. Don't really see anyone else with a possible HOF trajectory. Could Keon develop into one? I don't know. So, probably only 2, maybe 3 HOFers on the roster. Though, looking at the more recent Super Bowls (1990 to present) there will probably be at least 20 SB-winning teams with 4 or fewer HOFers on their squads.

 

 

Couldn't find any relevant information on Bills players coming out of high school (without looking up each guy individually). But on all of the lists I looked at of best HS prospects over the last 10 years, 20 years, all-time---I did not see any Bills players on those lists (but each list was only like the 20 best of the last 20 years or whatever, one list was 50 best---so by no means exhaustive lists). We know Josh wasn't a 4- or 5-star college recruit. But not sure about the rest of the guys.