B-Man Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM THE GREAT NAZI MORAL PANIC: “Musk’s straight-arm gesture embraced by right-wing extremists regardless of what he meant,” read a particularly Orwellian proclamation by the Orlando Sentinel. Oh, please. We’ve seen this movie before. Musk is as guilty of throwing out the Sieg Heil as the Conservative Political Action Conference is of sneaking a Nazi rune into its stage design. Remember that? In 2021, the events design company that created the stage for that year’s CPAC conference in Orlando, Florida, was compelled to respond to allegations that it intentionally designed the set to resemble an obscure rune embraced by the Nazis. “We had no idea that the design resembled any symbol, nor was there any intention to create something that did,” Design Foundry told Insider. What the set designers failed to understand was that they were simply the latest targets in a very stupid and deliberately dishonest moral panic. Before the Nazi rune dustup, you had groups such as the New York Times warning about milk’s supposed ties to white supremacy (“Why White Supremacists Are Chugging Milk [and Why Geneticists Are Alarmed]”). You had entire news cycles dedicated to the allegedly dark meaning behind the “OK” hand sign, which began as an online in-joke aimed at the press’s notorious gullibility. You had reporters applying the white supremacy label to everything from the Betsy Ross flag to obscure tattoos to Hawaiian shirts to the House Mace to the “SPQR” acronym for the “Senate and People of Rome.” Donald Trump found himself compared to Benito Mussolini merely for waving from a White House balcony. Supreme Court justice Samuel Alito was accused of harboring white supremacy allegiances for flying the George Washington–commissioned Appeal to Heaven or Pine Tree flag outside his beach house in New Jersey. Natalism, working out and performing at Madison Square Garden are also Nazi-coded, according to American news media. Perhaps the most insane moment in this long-running moral panic occurred in 2019 after the back-to-back mass shootings in Texas and Ohio on August 3. In the aftermath of the tragic events, Trump ordered flags to be flown at half-staff until August 8. This was a victory for the Nazis, former FBI official and MSNBC regular Frank Figliuzzi warned at the time. “The president said that we will fly our flags at half-mast until August 8. That is 8-8,” Figliuzzi said during an appearance on MSNBC. He added, “The numbers 8-8 are very significant in neo-Nazi and white supremacy movements. Why? Because the letter ‘H’ is the eighth letter of the alphabet and to them, the numbers 8-8 together stand for ‘Heil Hitler.’ We’re going to be raising the flag back up at dusk at 8-8. No one is thinking about this.” There’s more. These are just a few brief examples from the past seven years. The point is this: we’re clearly in the throes of a moral panic. There’s a devil under every doily, as they say. https://thespectator.com/topic/great-nazi-moral-panic-elon-musk/ Because this has been going for so long (much longer than seven years), Jonathan Turley dubs it: Nazispolozza: The Left’s Third Reich Mania Collapses into Comedy. One of the least successful efforts of the left and many in the media this election was to paint Republican voters as “Nazis” hellbent on destroying democracy. While once verboten as a political comparison, liberal politicians and pundits have developed something of a Nazi fetish, where every statement and gesture is declared a return of the Third Reich. It seems like each news event presents a Rorschach test where every inkblot looks like a Nazi. That mania reached absurd, even comedic, levels with the attack on Elon Musk over an awkward gesture during the inauguration celebration. An exuberant Musk told the crowd, “My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured.” As he gave those words, he placed his right hand on his chest and stretched his arm outward, his palm facing the floor. He then repeated the gesture before putting his hand on his chest again. It was all done in a matter of seconds, but it was enough for the usual mob to erupt in faux outrage. https://jonathanturley.org/2025/01/23/nazispolozza-the-lefts-third-reich-mania-collapses-into-comedy/ 1
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 02:08 AM Posted Sunday at 02:08 AM 5 hours ago, B-Man said: THE GREAT NAZI MORAL PANIC: “Musk’s straight-arm gesture embraced by right-wing extremists regardless of what he meant,” read a particularly Orwellian proclamation by the Orlando Sentinel. Oh, please. We’ve seen this movie before. Musk is as guilty of throwing out the Sieg Heil as the Conservative Political Action Conference is of sneaking a Nazi rune into its stage design. Remember that? In 2021, the events design company that created the stage for that year’s CPAC conference in Orlando, Florida, was compelled to respond to allegations that it intentionally designed the set to resemble an obscure rune embraced by the Nazis. “We had no idea that the design resembled any symbol, nor was there any intention to create something that did,” Design Foundry told Insider. What the set designers failed to understand was that they were simply the latest targets in a very stupid and deliberately dishonest moral panic. Before the Nazi rune dustup, you had groups such as the New York Times warning about milk’s supposed ties to white supremacy (“Why White Supremacists Are Chugging Milk [and Why Geneticists Are Alarmed]”). You had entire news cycles dedicated to the allegedly dark meaning behind the “OK” hand sign, which began as an online in-joke aimed at the press’s notorious gullibility. You had reporters applying the white supremacy label to everything from the Betsy Ross flag to obscure tattoos to Hawaiian shirts to the House Mace to the “SPQR” acronym for the “Senate and People of Rome.” Donald Trump found himself compared to Benito Mussolini merely for waving from a White House balcony. Supreme Court justice Samuel Alito was accused of harboring white supremacy allegiances for flying the George Washington–commissioned Appeal to Heaven or Pine Tree flag outside his beach house in New Jersey. Natalism, working out and performing at Madison Square Garden are also Nazi-coded, according to American news media. Perhaps the most insane moment in this long-running moral panic occurred in 2019 after the back-to-back mass shootings in Texas and Ohio on August 3. In the aftermath of the tragic events, Trump ordered flags to be flown at half-staff until August 8. This was a victory for the Nazis, former FBI official and MSNBC regular Frank Figliuzzi warned at the time. “The president said that we will fly our flags at half-mast until August 8. That is 8-8,” Figliuzzi said during an appearance on MSNBC. He added, “The numbers 8-8 are very significant in neo-Nazi and white supremacy movements. Why? Because the letter ‘H’ is the eighth letter of the alphabet and to them, the numbers 8-8 together stand for ‘Heil Hitler.’ We’re going to be raising the flag back up at dusk at 8-8. No one is thinking about this.” There’s more. These are just a few brief examples from the past seven years. The point is this: we’re clearly in the throes of a moral panic. There’s a devil under every doily, as they say. https://thespectator.com/topic/great-nazi-moral-panic-elon-musk/ Because this has been going for so long (much longer than seven years), Jonathan Turley dubs it: Nazispolozza: The Left’s Third Reich Mania Collapses into Comedy. One of the least successful efforts of the left and many in the media this election was to paint Republican voters as “Nazis” hellbent on destroying democracy. While once verboten as a political comparison, liberal politicians and pundits have developed something of a Nazi fetish, where every statement and gesture is declared a return of the Third Reich. It seems like each news event presents a Rorschach test where every inkblot looks like a Nazi. That mania reached absurd, even comedic, levels with the attack on Elon Musk over an awkward gesture during the inauguration celebration. An exuberant Musk told the crowd, “My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured.” As he gave those words, he placed his right hand on his chest and stretched his arm outward, his palm facing the floor. He then repeated the gesture before putting his hand on his chest again. It was all done in a matter of seconds, but it was enough for the usual mob to erupt in faux outrage. https://jonathanturley.org/2025/01/23/nazispolozza-the-lefts-third-reich-mania-collapses-into-comedy/ Okay, would you be comfortable making the same gesture in front of all your friends and family?
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 02:44 AM Author Posted Sunday at 02:44 AM 33 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Okay, would you be comfortable making the same gesture in front of all your friends and family? Would you be comfortable telling all your friends and family, maybe even some of the congregants at mass, that you will be very pleased when some ICE agents are murdered? 3
JFKjr Posted Sunday at 01:00 PM Posted Sunday at 01:00 PM 10 hours ago, Roundybout said: Okay, would you be comfortable making the same gesture in front of all your friends and family? Just pop them the bird and be done with it. Especially if they're Democrats.
B-Man Posted Sunday at 03:13 PM Posted Sunday at 03:13 PM 13 hours ago, Roundybout said: Okay, would you be comfortable making the same gesture in front of all your friends and family? Thumping my chest and throwing my arm in the air to show I am talking to all of them. As I was saying “I just want to say thank you for making it happen” “My heart goes out to you” Hell yes I could. You know why ? Because I am an grown man and not a cowardly lib. .
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 03:16 PM Posted Sunday at 03:16 PM 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Thumping my chest and throwing my arm in the air to show I am talking to all of them. As I was saying “I just want to say thank you for making it happen” “My heart goes out to you” Hell yes I could. You know why ? Because I am an grown man and not a cowardly lib. . One day you won't be able to ignore reality much longer. I bet it plunges you into a catatonic state. 12 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Would you be comfortable telling all your friends and family, maybe even some of the congregants at mass, that you will be very pleased when some ICE agents are murdered? Indeed!
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 03:17 PM Author Posted Sunday at 03:17 PM Just now, Roundybout said: One day you won't be able to ignore reality much longer. I bet it plunges you into a catatonic state. The reality of NAZIS in 2025 or the reality of people cheering for the murder of ICE agents?
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 03:19 PM Posted Sunday at 03:19 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: The reality of NAZIS in 2025 or the reality of people cheering for the murder of ICE agents? Trump's little Stasi is going to meet a reckoning. By the way, any thoughts on Elon dancing around at an AfD rally screaming about German heritage? Edited Sunday at 03:20 PM by Roundybout
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 03:20 PM Author Posted Sunday at 03:20 PM 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Indeed! That you feel the need to double down on such an abhorrent comment rather than go with “I said something awful that I am ashamed of” tells us about you, don’t you think? Spare us some of your moralizing going forward, would you please?
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 03:21 PM Posted Sunday at 03:21 PM Just now, JDHillFan said: That you feel the need to double down on such an abhorrent comment rather than go with “I said something awful that I am ashamed of” tells us about you, don’t you think? Spare us some of your moralizing going forward, would you please? I am morally opposed to Trump's secret police going around abducting kids and families and tossing them away. Any moral person would be. But please, don't let me interrupt your circlejerk.
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM Author Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM Just now, Roundybout said: I am morally opposed to Trump's secret police going around abducting kids and families and tossing them away. Any moral person would be. But please, don't let me interrupt your circlejerk. “Murder them!” - you Will you be still very pleased if the murdered agents are BIPOC/LGBTQIA+?
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 03:24 PM Posted Sunday at 03:24 PM Just now, JDHillFan said: “Murder them!” - you Will you be still very pleased if the murdered agents are BIPOC/LGBTQIA+? Why would they be? Anyone not a straight, white male is automatically a DEI hire and is automatically untouchable, according to MAGA.
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 03:28 PM Author Posted Sunday at 03:28 PM 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Why would they be? Anyone not a straight, white male is automatically a DEI hire and is automatically untouchable, according to MAGA. Here’s the problem with statements like this and your rooting for people to be murdered - your statements that will follow must be more absurd and extreme. It’s very embarrassing but you seem to embrace it. Carry on. “KILL THEM!!” -you 1
Doc Posted Sunday at 03:59 PM Posted Sunday at 03:59 PM 35 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I am morally opposed to Trump's secret police going around abducting kids and families and tossing them away. Any moral person would be. But please, don't let me interrupt your circlejerk. They're not being "tossed away." They're being returned to their home countries/allowed to leave on their own. Something the Nazis didn't afford Jews in Germany. 2
BillsFanNC Posted Sunday at 04:02 PM Posted Sunday at 04:02 PM 34 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: “Murder them!” - you Will you be still very pleased if the murdered agents are BIPOC/LGBTQIA+? Well Roundy will need to consult this handy chart before weighing in. If the agent is a brown gay man murdered by an obese black undocumented trans woman then Roundy can safely celebrate the murder of that ICE agent.
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 04:42 PM Posted Sunday at 04:42 PM 42 minutes ago, Doc said: They're not being "tossed away." They're being returned to their home countries/allowed to leave on their own. Something the Nazis didn't afford Jews in Germany. I don't want them to go back to their home countries. I want them here, contributing to the prosperity of this great nation. You're so full of it. 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Here’s the problem with statements like this and your rooting for people to be murdered - your statements that will follow must be more absurd and extreme. It’s very embarrassing but you seem to embrace it. Carry on. “KILL THEM!!” -you Fighting back against morally repugnant "people" in ICE is a good thing. You want to go get the criminals? Fine. Take a few months and put together a strategy to do so. Leave the children alone.
JDHillFan Posted Sunday at 04:58 PM Author Posted Sunday at 04:58 PM 14 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I don't want them to go back to their home countries. I want them here, contributing to the prosperity of this great nation. You're so full of it. Fighting back against morally repugnant "people" in ICE is a good thing. You want to go get the criminals? Fine. Take a few months and put together a strategy to do so. Leave the children alone. You have said you will be very pleased to see these people murdered. You would seem less an a-hole if you dropped “moral/morals/morally” from your hateful rants. Embarrassed for you since you are unable to be embarrassed for yourself. Effing pathetic.
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 05:01 PM Posted Sunday at 05:01 PM 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: You have said you will be very pleased to see these people murdered. You would seem less an a-hole if you dropped “moral/morals/morally” from your hateful rants. Embarrassed for you since you are unable to be embarrassed for yourself. Effing pathetic. No, what's pathetic is equating a poor family seeking a better life and freedom with MS-13. Not really surprising for MAGA but still.
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