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5 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

We've already got a thread on the Ukraine War, and we've already determined sanctions don't work.

 

Neither did negotiations with Israel and Hamas, until Trump sent Witkoff.

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Biden was unable to resolve "Democracy's Fiery Ordeal" during his term.

 

Therefore a new thread is necessary to document Trump's efforts to end the grift.

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3 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

We've already got a thread on the Ukraine War, and we've already determined sanctions don't work.

Yes, but Biden wasn't smart enough to try sanctions with a kindly worded tweet, with the key words capitalized.  Also trying to figure out why Canada is getting favored with 25% tariffs if they only lost 44k lives.  Apparently, China is only getting 10%, because of 20 million deaths.

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3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Yes, but Biden wasn't smart enough to try sanctions with a kindly worded tweet, with the key words capitalized.  Also trying to figure out why Canada is getting favored with 25% tariffs if they only lost 44k lives.  Apparently, China is only getting 10%, because of 20 million deaths.

 

Biden's negotiating team Jake Sullivan 

 

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And Tony Blinken 

 

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1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

Biden's negotiating team Jake Sullivan 

 

Napoleon Dynamite Dancing GIF by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment

 

And Tony Blinken 

 

computer kip GIF

 

 

I don't care who's negotiating, because every time I hear "sanctions" all I can think of is the clown putting on makeup meme.  I imagine Putin looks at sanctions like a skateboarder looks at a skinned knee.  Obama was weak, and that got us halfway here, and now Monty Hall thinks tweeting "Let's make a deal" is the answer?  The only thing that might end the war is trump weakening Ukraine's defenses to the point that they MUST capitulate, and that'd be the concept of a plan he has.  If you were against deals with terrorists, then you should be against deals for THIS terrorist(Putin).  

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3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I don't care who's negotiating, because every time I hear "sanctions" all I can think of is the clown putting on makeup meme.  I imagine Putin looks at sanctions like a skateboarder looks at a skinned knee.  Obama was weak, and that got us halfway here, and now Monty Hall thinks tweeting "Let's make a deal" is the answer?  The only thing that might end the war is trump weakening Ukraine's defenses to the point that they MUST capitulate, and that'd be the concept of a plan he has.  If you were against deals with terrorists, then you should be against deals for THIS terrorist(Putin).  

 

So you believe that unending Ukrainian aid can defeat Russia without NATO's direct involvement? 

 

 

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Just now, Motorin' said:

 

So you believe that unending Ukrainian aid can defeat Russia without NATO's direct involvement? 

 

 

So you believe that a deal with Hamas to release hostages won't be an incentive for them to take more hostages anytime they need an advantage?  See how open-ended nonsense questions work?  I'm more of a take the gloves off kinda guy, if that helps answer your question.  If you need an example of limited-engagement failures, I present you the 'Vietnam War'.  

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"I’m not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin..."

 

"... and this despite the Radical Left’s Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a 'deal,' and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let’s get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It’s time to 'MAKE A DEAL.' NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!"

 

Writes President Trump, at Truth Social.  https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113872782548137314

 

Posted by Ann Althouse

That made me want to quote this passage from Trump's inaugural address:

 

"We will measure our success not only by the battles we win but also by the wars that we end. And, perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into. My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier. That's what I want to be. A peacemaker and a unifier."  And: "We will be a nation like no other — full of compassion, courage and exceptionalism. Our power will stop all wars and bring a new spirit of unity to a world that has been angry, violent, and totally unpredictable."

 

 

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2025/01/im-not-looking-to-hurt-russia-i-love.html#more

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45 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"I’m not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin..."

 

"... and this despite the Radical Left’s Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a 'deal,' and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let’s get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It’s time to 'MAKE A DEAL.' NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!"

 

Writes President Trump, at Truth Social.  https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113872782548137314

 

Posted by Ann Althouse

That made me want to quote this passage from Trump's inaugural address:

 

"We will measure our success not only by the battles we win but also by the wars that we end. And, perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into. My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier. That's what I want to be. A peacemaker and a unifier."  And: "We will be a nation like no other — full of compassion, courage and exceptionalism. Our power will stop all wars and bring a new spirit of unity to a world that has been angry, violent, and totally unpredictable."

 

 

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2025/01/im-not-looking-to-hurt-russia-i-love.html#more

 

All old news.

 

Massive cash infusions into the Russian MIC have produced an insane economic boom, in spite of sanctions. Russia's economy is in danger because it's overheating, not because it's been crippled by economic attacks.

 

This has been going on for years.  This is a continuation of Biden's dumb, lukewarm policies, but of course PPP will eat it up because it's not Brandon.

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5 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

That was some nasty stuff, but the point about negotiating via twitter is not wrong.  Nuclear leaders having twitter wars might be the pinnacle of dumb in social media, and maybe a good reason for everyone to see how dumb it is, and get off it.  I mean can we classify it as a drug yet?  It has many of the hallmarks of drug addiction for sure.  What did Elon call it?  Ungratified minutes or something like that?

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4 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Trump: America wants a peace deal, Ukraine wants a peace deal. Putin does not want a peace deal.

 

Shocker, but the country who started the war are the warmongers! Who knew?

I just don’t know how this impacts the “he’s Putin’s puppet” people. There seems to be an awful lot of those. Something to chew on. 
 

Let’s hope Putin comes around and the killing comes to an end before much longer. I won’t hold my breath. 

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