Bills on Hard Knocks tonight

[JDHillFan]

https://youtu.be/POy93J-qgcY?si=aBJ2NsGOe4p37v67

 

Marginally related - this is the Ravens radio call of the end of the game. I live in the Ravens market and am an avowed hater. Their fans are extremely arrogant. No matter what happens, I will wrap myself in this like a warm blanket. Absolutely delightful!

[zevo]

how von didn't get stripped on that tomahawk chop....man...every time I watch can't believe the ball didn't come out

[uticaclub]

20 minutes ago, chris heff said:

I think you missed the point, guy said Ravens will never win a SB with Harbaugh as coach, except he already has. Flacco may very well of had an “elite season”, but Flacco’s elite is still not as good as any of Jackson’s seasons.

Elite playoff run, not regular season. Lamar’s performance in the playoffs has never come close to how Joe played in the playoffs that year

 

59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Because he won a Super Bowl. Confirmation bias.

What the hell confirmation bias? Did you watch football back then?  Dilfer wasn’t elite the time they won before that.

Edited 3 hours ago by uticaclub

[PromoTheRobot]

51 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

 

Flacco was really good those playoffs. Lots of huge throws.

 

He also had a legendary defense on his side.

Just now, uticaclub said:

 

What the hell confirmation bias? Did you watch football back then? 

 

I'm just saying we tend to call everyone who wins a Super Bowl elite. Flacco was very good but the Ravens win their Super Bowl on their defense more than QB play. 

 

Remember Trent Dilfer? He won a Super Bowl too. Elite? 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Lamar will never win a Super Bowl being led by a guy that's won multiple Super Bowls in the past is definitely...a take.

Dude, Harbaugh won ONE title with a completely different QB and a defense led by Ray Lewis freaking 13 years ago. He hasn’t reached one since. If he can’t do it with an MVP QB, 2 top flight TEs, top 5 defense, and first ballot HOFer Derrick Henry then he never will. This was their year. Unfortunately, the AFC is just too stacked. In the future If he somehow makes it past Allen, he’ll have Mahomes to contend with, and/or Burrow. Had a top defense, a damn near 2000 yard rusher, plus Lamar’s best season he’ll ever achieve and only had one playoff win to show for it. His game plan against Buffalo was trash. They abandoned the run way too early, but that’s all too familiar for Ravens fans. He panicks too soon and strays away from what his team does best which is run.
 

Everyone wants to kiss the Raven’s ass because Lamar smiled and hugged Josh. Sorry, but I’m entitled to my opinion and Lamar Jackson has always been overrated. I’ve stuck to my guns regarding that pretty much since I joined this board. He’s not even the best QB in his division. Who exactly has he beat in the playoffs worth any note ? The corpse of Russell Wilson, Ryan Tannehill, and rookie CJ Stroud. He’s 0-3 against Allen & Mahomes. 1-1 against Ryan Tannehill. He turned the ball over twice after having 8 the entire season. That proves right there he isn’t clutch. If Andrews didn’t drop that catch, the Bills would’ve won anyways, and the focus would be on Lamar’s turnovers.  

Edited 3 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[msw2112]

8 hours ago, Brand J said:

I think one thing’s for sure - the Chiefs will key in on Allen’s read option runs in critical “gotta have it” situations. He’s going to have to do like Jordan and pass the ball to Kerr for the open shot. Hand it off to Ty Johnson or Cook, because the Chiefs aren’t going to let him beat them this time.

 

I believe that Ty Johnson, Samuel, and Shakir will have big days in the screen game, using that to neutralize the pass rush of Jones and Karlaftis.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Dude, Harbaugh won ONE title with a completely different QB and a defense led by Ray Lewis freaking 13 years ago. He hasn’t reached one since. If he can’t do it with an MVP QB, 2 top flight TEs, top 5 defense, and first ballot HOFer Derrick Henry then he never will. This was their year. Unfortunately, the AFC is just too stacked. If he somehow makes it past Allen, he’ll have Mahomes to contend with, and/or Burrow.
 

Everyone wants to kiss the Raven’s ass because Lamar smiled and hugged Josh. Sorry, but I’m entitled to my opinion and Lamar Jackson has always been overrated. I’ve stuck to my guns regarding that pretty much since I joined this board. He’s not even the best QB in his division. Who exactly has he beat in the playoffs worth any note ? The corpse of Russell Wilson, Ryan Tannehill, and rookie CJ Stroud. He’s 0-3 against Allen & Mahomes. 1-1 against Ryan Tannehill. He turned the ball over twice after having 8 the entire season. That proves right there he isn’t clutch. If Andrews didn’t drop that catch, the Bills would’ve won anyways, and the focus would be on Lamar’s turnovers.  

Every argument here you make could easily be made about McDermott, Allen and the Bills. 

 

Sure he's beaten Lamar in the playoffs, but you basically disregard him as second rather. Who else has he beaten? The corpse of Phillip Rivera? Skylar Thompson? Mason Rudolph? He's 0-5 against Mahomes and Burrow in the playoffs. Guess Allen isn't clutch either, right?

 

Yes, you are entitled to have an opinion. But to ignore Lamar's development over the years screams that your opinion is to stick by your predraft narrative of him and my opinion (which I'm just as entitled to have) is that it's a misguided and stubborn opinion. Lamar is a heck of a football player.

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Because he won a Super Bowl. Confirmation bias.

No, check his playoff stats that year.  He played lights out.  He was being thought of as the next elite qb in the league.  Didn't pan out but that run by itself was definitely elite.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

31 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He also had a legendary defense on his side.

 

I'm just saying we tend to call everyone who wins a Super Bowl elite. Flacco was very good but the Ravens win their Super Bowl on their defense more than QB play. 

 

Remember Trent Dilfer? He won a Super Bowl too. Elite? 

Wow, did you even watch the 2011-2012 season or are you going off of selective memory?  Flacco had the greatest playoff run I’ve ever seen. 1140 yards 11 TDs 0 picks. Then he capped it all off with the SB MVP which proves your bolded statement to be absolutely false. 

Edited 3 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[uticaclub]

34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He also had a legendary defense on his side.

 

I'm just saying we tend to call everyone who wins a Super Bowl elite. Flacco was very good but the Ravens win their Super Bowl on their defense more than QB play. 

 

Remember Trent Dilfer? He won a Super Bowl too. Elite? 

There’s major debate if Eli Manning is even good and he won 2. No one thinks Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, or Jim Plunkett are elite QBs. The Ravens 2000 defense was all time great unit, no doubt about that, but in 2012 they had a good defense, but they don’t win the Super Bowl with QB play that wasn’t as elite as Flaccos during that run.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just watched the whole episode. Lots of good stuff.

 

My favorite brief moment was when they showed the Ravens walking to the bus after the loss and Justin Tucker is carrying a box of La Nova with him. He knows whats up!

[tigerthelion]

56 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He also had a legendary defense on his side.

 

I'm just saying we tend to call everyone who wins a Super Bowl elite. Flacco was very good but the Ravens win their Super Bowl on their defense more than QB play. 

 

Remember Trent Dilfer? He won a Super Bowl too. Elite? 

Flacco was not an elite QB overall, but he was elite during that playoff run.  11 touchdowns, zero interceptions, two wins in shootouts against the Broncos and Niners.   I'd say Flacco and the offense were more responsible for that SB win that the defense was.   

[blacklabel]

1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

https://youtu.be/POy93J-qgcY?si=aBJ2NsGOe4p37v67

 

Marginally related - this is the Ravens radio call of the end of the game. I live in the Ravens market and am an avowed hater. Their fans are extremely arrogant. No matter what happens, I will wrap myself in this like a warm blanket. Absolutely delightful!

 

Haha wow they come off sounding like they just watched the Ravens go, "Oh hey there, Bills guys. Just so you know we can absolutely crush you, right? But today we're feeling generous so you guys can have this W. You're welcome."

 

The hot takes and constant attempts to create drama during routine plays or the nonstop love fiestas for certain players is why I usually watch most of the games on mute and then I'll watch the highlights later to hear the calls. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

39 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Every argument here you make could easily be made about McDermott, Allen and the Bills. 

 

Sure he's beaten Lamar in the playoffs, but you basically disregard him as second rather. Who else has he beaten? The corpse of Phillip Rivera? Skylar Thompson? Mason Rudolph? He's 0-5 against Mahomes and Burrow in the playoffs. Guess Allen isn't clutch either, right?

 

Yes, you are entitled to have an opinion. But to ignore Lamar's development over the years screams that your opinion is to stick by your predraft narrative of him and my opinion (which I'm just as entitled to have) is that it's a misguided and stubborn opinion. Lamar is a heck of a football player.

Lamar Jackson playoff numbers: 8 games, 1753 yards passing, 10 TDs, 7 picks, 641 yards rushing, 3 rushing TDs, sacked 29 times, 7 fumbles, 84.6 QB rating

 

Josh Allen playoff numbers: 12 games, 3122 yards passing, 23 TDs, 4 picks, 629 yards rushing, 7 rushing TDs, 1 Rec TD, sacked 26 times, 9 fumbles, 101.5 QB rating 

 

Sorry, but it’s not even close. You can’t make that same argument against Josh who has had MUCH lesser talent to work with and is not directly responsible for every postseason defeat like your boy Lamar. It’s apples & oranges. As far as I’m concerned, these 2 aren’t even in the same stratosphere. Allen doesn’t need a system built around him to succeed. He made it all the way to the AFC championship in 2020 w/ Devin Singletary. Lamar has been gifted a top 10 RB of all time who was 80 yards short of a 2k season and MVP candidate in his own right.
 

And I am NOT saying Lamar is a bad QB. Don’t get it twisted. He’s the most dynamic athlete I’ve ever seen play QB. But making any argument putting him on the level of Allen is just insulting. He’s just not even CLOSE as a pure passer. Take away Allen’s running and I think he would still be a top 5 guy. 

Edited 2 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He also had a legendary defense on his side.

 

I'm just saying we tend to call everyone who wins a Super Bowl elite. Flacco was very good but the Ravens win their Super Bowl on their defense more than QB play. 

 

Remember Trent Dilfer? He won a Super Bowl too. Elite? 

Dilfer didn't make the throws that Flacco made that year.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Because he won a Super Bowl. Confirmation bias.

12 TD's 0 INT's...that is 3 TD's and 0 INT's in every playoff game.  All in wins....find a better SB run.  Maybe you can but that was an elite performance in those playoffs.

Edited 2 hours ago by Matt_In_NH

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

15 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Dilfer didn't make the throws that Flacco made that year.

Dilfer didn’t have the physical ability to make those throws even if he wanted to. Flacco had an absolute Howitzer attached to his right shoulder 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

https://youtu.be/POy93J-qgcY?si=aBJ2NsGOe4p37v67

 

Marginally related - this is the Ravens radio call of the end of the game. I live in the Ravens market and am an avowed hater. Their fans are extremely arrogant. No matter what happens, I will wrap myself in this like a warm blanket. Absolutely delightful!

 

"It looked like the game was gonna go to overtime"  

[4th&long]

10 hours ago, folz said:

 

Which is interesting after hearing what Sean Payton had to say after the Broncos game last week: "They’ve done a really good job in the last year of focusing on their run game, and then partnering that with the skillset that Josh has. I was more surprised at the effectiveness of it.”

Don't the idiot coaches watch film? The bills have been running the ball all year. They had 30 td passes and 30 td runs. It's nothing new. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Elite playoff run, not regular season. Lamar’s performance in the playoffs has never come close to how Joe played in the playoffs that year

 

What the hell confirmation bias? Did you watch football back then?  Dilfer wasn’t elite the time they won before that.

People definitely forget Flacco was really good that year and was an absolute monster in the playoffs for sure…whenever I hear that ravens superbowl talked about its ’they didn’t even have a qb’