Van Noy - "I've never seen them (Bills) do this as conservative they played"

[That's No Moon]

26 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

So you are saying you think Joe Brady and Josh Allen were satisfied with 6 points and around 110 yards in the 2nd half?

I think they were satisfied with the zero turnovers and they won the game, so yes.

 

Van Noy is basically telling you that they expected the Bills to be more daring and part of the plan was to force mistakes. They never got those opportunities.

[corta765]

13 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I think they had the same plan against Broncos. And Jets.. and everyone. They have no need at all to “take chances”. If they throw it 10 times deep, it’s because those are the right plays at the time. 
 

The Bills will hand it to Cook with eleven Chris Jones’s on the field. They just don’t give a flip. And I love it. But, they won’t be dumb about it. We got chess players in the boooooth, boys

 

I think if they need to get into a game that becomes an aerial battle they will. The offense is finally so diversified it can do what is needed based on the opponent. I had not been able to say that with Josh until this year.

[BillsFan130]

27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You seem to want to be deliberately obtuse.  Youa re assuming the Bills offense will have the same plan this coming Sunday as they did this past Sunday.  This past Sunday it was clear their plan was to be conservative, focus the defense on stopping Henry, and let Lamar and the Ravens make mistakes.  Which they did.  Will that be the same plan against the Chiefs?  No.  Because they aren't the same team and will require a different plan.  Like the plan used earlier this year when we beat them.

Believe me, i am very familiar with the Joe Brady offence and the everybody eats.

One week against Detroit they attack their linebackers, then maybe against the jets you attack them with the run game. I 100 percent understand how he works.

 

Why do you feel like this game plan will be different against the Chiefs? Ravens have the number 1 rush defence and the bills ran a ton on them. Both when they were trailing, tied or leading.

 

So yes the conservative offence has me a bit concerned- Because why should I feel like they are suddenly going to air the ball out? especially when their last 3 playoff games going back to last year, says they want to keep things tighter towards the chest

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFan130

[ren1701]

Ya - that won't work against KC. You hit the gas hard and don't let up, even if you are 4 scores ahead until the victory formation inside of 2 minutes.

[HOUSE]

Hey, considering the Bills won, guess what, other teams will copy when playing the Ravens.

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Hey, considering the Bills won, guess what, other teams will copy when playing the Ravens.

The formula that almost always beats them, let Lamar beat you passing which he struggles to do despite his great stats. Again his stats are great this season on the whole but his team still lost 6 games. Amazing all of them Derrick Henry had 84 or less yards rushing and Lamar had to pass over 25 times in each of them.

Edited 15 hours ago by The Jokeman

[LABILLBACKER]

I don't mind taking what the defense gives you but only to a point. Our 3rd quarter against the Ravens was a disaster.  It almost cost us the game. It was identical to the conservative 3rd quarter against Houston in 2019.  Don't be afraid to throw on 1st down and run on 2nd down.  Reduce the plays behind the LOS like that terrible checkdown TE screen. The Ravens were 31st in pass defense and we didn't attack them enough downfield. 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Spags aint going to let the Bills run all over them.  He'll study the Baltimore tape and see the tendencies and be ready from the get.  Brady will have to be able to adapt quickly and call the game of his life to score more than 20.  

 

I'll say, I think the conditions were pretty slippery out there against Balt. That synthetic stuff just doesn't hold up in the wet and cold.  That was probably a factor in playing it conservative. A lot of potential YAC and a few catches were also affected.  And we saw Lamar and Andrews wasn't able to hold on to the ball

I'm not so sure that stacking the box and making Allen win with his arm is a golden strategy but we will see.  

[BillsVet]

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

There's something to limiting mistakes, controlling the line of scrimmage, and controlling the clock. 

 

But it only worked to overcome a team like the Ravens bc we were able to get 3 turnovers and do enough Defensively to hold them to 25. 

 

If we want to win the Super Bowl, we can't play that conservatively. It seems that's how he wants to play things until we have no choice. The problem is, if you wait until then - it can be too late. We don't have the kind of weapons on the edges to be put in a one dimensional offense situation, playing from behind.

 

And it almost feels like a sin to play that style with a thoroughbred like Josh Allen at QB. Here's hoping the Baltimore game plan isn't what he subscribes to against the Chiefs. Bc man - it was frustrating as hell.

 

Yeah, question for Sunday is does McD's game-plan follow his football philosophy or not.  As in, are they going to grind it out running and safe in passing?  Or, do they add other elements?  

 

For reference, Buffalo's last 4 playoff games, they've run it 57% of the time at a 4.7 YPC clip.  They are throwing it 43% of the time for a 6.7 YPA.  

 

Mention that because I agree with you and suspect they'll adhere to the philosophy that got them here.  I don't seem them re-inventing or significantly altering  themselves the week before the AFC Championship game.  

 

28 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You seem to want to be deliberately obtuse.  Youa re assuming the Bills offense will have the same plan this coming Sunday as they did this past Sunday.  This past Sunday it was clear their plan was to be conservative, focus the defense on stopping Henry, and let Lamar and the Ravens make mistakes.  Which they did.  Will that be the same plan against the Chiefs?  No.  Because they aren't the same team and will require a different plan.  Like the plan used earlier this year when we beat them.

 

Give it a rest Warden Norton.  

[JimmyNoodles]

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

We ran exceptionally well against KC in our playoff game last year...I think Cook had 100 yards by halftime.

We had KC on the ropes last year by halftime. I remember an endzone shot of their defense almost at the half where you could see the players faces and they were exhausted.  Second half they adjusted and started coming up to stop the run.  We did not. We should have run a ton of play action at that point and I believe we could have won fairly easily.  

[Bruffalo]

34 minutes ago, ren1701 said:

Ya - that won't work against KC. You hit the gas hard and don't let up, even if you are 4 scores ahead until the victory formation inside of 2 minutes.

What KC have you been watching all season? They are not a score fast team in any regard now. 

 

All you need to do is play mistake free football and you'll probably win.  It's significantly easier than beating the Ravens.

 

The Chiefs have won so many games this season on technicalities, teams beating themselves, and referee interference. It's a miracle (or a conspiracy) that they're in the position they're in now. 

 

I'm not trying to be overly confident here, but I see the Bills coming out with a win on Sunday, and I think it looks a lot cleaner than the win against the Ravens. 

 

 

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

What KC have you been watching all season? They are not a score fast team in any regard now. 

 

All you need to do is play mistake free football and you'll probably win.  It's significantly easier than beating the Ravens.

 

The Chiefs have won so many games this season on technicalities, teams beating themselves, and referee interference. It's a miracle (or a conspiracy) that they're in the position they're in now. 

 

I'm not trying to be overly confident here, but I see the Bills coming out with a win on Sunday, and I think it looks a lot cleaner than the win against the Ravens. 

 

 

 

KC is much like us, they aren't going to make mistakes.  Best we can hope for is to get a tipped pass or get a fumble out...Mahomes won't be throwing any to us.

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

KC is much like us, they aren't going to make mistakes.  Best we can hope for is to get a tipped pass or get a fumble out...Mahomes won't be throwing any to us.

Definitely agree with that, but I think that offense is significantly easier to stall out than the Ravens, so we won't need to rely on turnovers as much. 

 

The Bills have all the tools on offense to sustain drives and put points up every time they have the ball. I'm not so sure the Chiefs can say the same about their offense today. 

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

Listening from the enemy side gives you more insight, especially from a guy like Van Noy who has played in AFC East against the Bills for a long time.

 

"That was the most coservative Bills team I've played against." He went on saying he does not believe that's because of talent issue.

 

I remember someone else mentioned no turnovers ,1 sack, 1 penalty, almost no negative plays. Is this the new playoff formula McDermott is subscribing to now? Maybe it explain why no more throwing the ball all over the yard where wide receivers getting little receving action. Does Allen and WRs all buy into it? I guess we will see how it goes.  

 

 

 

 

A lot of amnesia when it comes to what people said about the Bills. Everyone said we were not going to be good. Now everyone runs from that.

[oldmanfan]

52 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Yeah, question for Sunday is does McD's game-plan follow his football philosophy or not.  As in, are they going to grind it out running and safe in passing?  Or, do they add other elements?  

 

For reference, Buffalo's last 4 playoff games, they've run it 57% of the time at a 4.7 YPC clip.  They are throwing it 43% of the time for a 6.7 YPA.  

 

Mention that because I agree with you and suspect they'll adhere to the philosophy that got them here.  I don't seem them re-inventing or significantly altering  themselves the week before the AFC Championship game.  

 

 

Give it a rest Warden Norton.  

Should the Chiefs be worried that they threw for only 177 yards against the Texans?  The folks that need to give it a rest are those who, despite knowing what Brady's style was going to be since before the season, persist in not acknowledging it.

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Believe me, i am very familiar with the Joe Brady offence and the everybody eats.

One week against Detroit they attack their linebackers, then maybe against the jets you attack them with the run game. I 100 percent understand how he works.

 

Why do you feel like this game plan will be different against the Chiefs? Ravens have the number 1 rush defence and the bills ran a ton on them. Both when they were trailing, tied or leading.

 

So yes the conservative offence has me a bit concerned- Because why should I feel like they are suddenly going to air the ball out? especially when their last 3 playoff games going back to last year, says they want to keep things tighter towards the chest

Because it was different when we played them in the regular season.

Edited 14 hours ago by oldmanfan

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Definitely agree with that, but I think that offense is significantly easier to stall out than the Ravens, so we won't need to rely on turnovers as much. 

 

The Bills have all the tools on offense to sustain drives and put points up every time they have the ball. I'm not so sure the Chiefs can say the same about their offense today. 

 

Well...I'd like to agree with that, and that's what happens every year in the regular season with them, we defend them pretty well, but in the playoffs we have no answers defensively. Every single year. With or without injuries.  If the D plays like it has the last 2 games, we win this game going away.  But if it plays like it does normally against them in the playoffs, it's going to be a nailbiter to the end.

[FireChans]

48 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The formula that almost always beats them, let Lamar beat you passing which he struggles to do despite his great stats. Again his stats are great this season on the whole but his team still lost 6 games. Amazing all of them Derrick Henry had 84 or less yards rushing and Lamar had to pass over 25 times in each of them.

Correct.

 

Even back in Lamar's first MVP season, the engine that drove them was their running game.

 

Flashback to 2019, the Bills held the future MVP and his offense to 257 yards, 139 passing yards and 118 rushing yards on 33 attempts.

 

Now, we lost that game, in large part because Josh wasn't the QB he is today, but the formula has always been there.

 

And Lamar is a MUCH better passer than he was back in 2019. But for whatever reason, when it gets cold in the postseason, they can be had living and dying by Lamar's arm.

 

They doubled down on taking things off Lamar's shoulders with Henry but that's a mistake. They are mirrors to the Bills in a way. They need to invest more successfully to elevate his passing game, because that's where they are going need that impact come January.

[gordong]

12 hours ago, Success said:

We can definitely open it up more, and I'd expect us to this weekend - but man, do I wish we had a true speed guy who could really stretch the field once in awhile.

 

Samuel IS a speed guy

[Allen2Moulds]

12 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

Listening from the enemy side gives you more insight, especially from a guy like Van Noy who has played in AFC East against the Bills for a long time.

 

"That was the most coservative Bills team I've played against." He went on saying he does not believe that's because of talent issue.

 

I remember someone else mentioned no turnovers ,1 sack, 1 penalty, almost no negative plays. Is this the new playoff formula McDermott is subscribing to now? Maybe it explain why no more throwing the ball all over the yard where wide receivers getting little receving action. Does Allen and WRs all buy into it? I guess we will see how it goes.  

 

 

 

I can't stand Gerald McCoy, he's such an idiot.  I'm glad the networks realized it, and we no longer see him on TV.  Van Noy seems like a stand up guy.

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, ren1701 said:

Ya - that won't work against KC. You hit the gas hard and don't let up, even if you are 4 scores ahead until the victory formation inside of 2 minutes.

Running the football is not the same thing as taking your foot off the gas. If they can control the line again and be productive running the ball they need to keep doing it. They need to maintain their balance as an offense. It is the identity of the offense and when they are actually the most productive. Use the run to set up the p/a intermediate passing game and carve them up. Make the LBs and safeties make decisions on every single play. Make the DL play honest football and not just chase Allen.

 

This is the way.