Van Noy - "I've never seen them (Bills) do this as conservative they played"

[MasterStrategist]

47 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I haven’t read the whole thread but this idea that we went conservative in the 3rd quarter is BS. We played a tight, conservative game the whole game. That was the plan. The difference in the 3rd quarter was execution. The plays were there to be made.

 

On the first series, Kincaid was wide open and Allen threw a bad pass. Yeah, Kincaid should have caught it but that pass was ass for a guy who was WIDE OPEN

 

On the 2nd series, Allen correctly alerted to the Knox screen. Why Knox was the target IDK, but that was the alert call in the huddle. Ravens were blitzing from that side. Knox screwed it up by running inside when he had blockers to the outside. Also, no one blocked Van Noy from the opposite side of the line. Poor execution.

 

If you watched Hard Knox, the Ravens game plan was to take away the intermediate to deep passes and “plastering” the receivers on scrambles. They ran a LOT of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 (According to Marino and Cover 1) which basically doubles both your outside receivers. So where’s the beef? With the run game and short passes over the middle which is where we went.

 

It was the perfect game specific game plan and it worked. Yeah, with a few better play calls and better execution it would have been a blow out but it wasn’t. Who cares. We are in the AFC Championship game. 

 

Everyone saying “we need to open it up” doesn’t understand the offensive philosophy. You take what the defense gives you. If KC loads the box you can bet we will look to throw it more. 

 

If we needed to, Josh would have opened it up against the Ravens. He never needed to because we were playing ball control especially in the 4th with a lead. Yeah, it got too close for comfort but we were playing probably the most talented team in the AFC who was peaking at the right time and we won.

 

This is definitely the top post in this thread...

 

This is the most balanced Bills offense we've seen, in a long time.  What every fan of Joe Brady was hoping for coming into the year, while pessimistic fans continued to harp on our lack of WR talent.

 

We can beat every scheme, its all about execution as you said. 

 

Joe Brady should be OC of the year, but I don't expect he'll get it.  1 offseason and he's fixed a lot of fundamental issues that were holding us back, just a bit (redzone, turnovers is amazing, etc), and set team records in the process.

[Rubes]

7 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Why force the pass if it isn’t there?  We saw what they led to under Ken Dorsey.   It sounded like Baltimore ran a lot of 2 high looks on defense. 
 

Believe it or not, I read that the success rate with running the ball in the second half was higher than the first.  
 

You don’t have to like the offensive gameplan but I wouldn’t call it conservative 

 

I agree. I mean, think about it: we were one failed 3rd down inside the 5 from posting 31 points on the best defense in the NFL.

 

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Why force the pass if it isn’t there?  We saw what they led to under Ken Dorsey.   It sounded like Baltimore ran a lot of 2 high looks on defense. 
 

Believe it or not, I read that the success rate with running the ball in the second half was higher than the first.  
 

You don’t have to like the offensive gameplan but I wouldn’t call it conservative 

You folks make good points for each side of the discussion. Love it.

From my very basic observation of game day ( and little more )  Teams want to stop one thing offenses want to do in the 1st half. and both teams adjust to that.

 the second half adjustments are quicker to the field and change from possession to possession even. 

 Example is  Running to set up pass. Outside to play inside. Going deep to open the middle etc etc

If Bills dont see anything opening up in the pass, they have to run , screen PA etc and hope Defense comes down.

 Bills Defense have a history of being conservative. Offense is wise to take what they can. TOP and grinding wins games , IF the Defense is up to par.

That may not be enough against chefs if we aren't in good shape by second half and risks might be in order

 

Hello Cooper and Samuel , Hollins and Kincaid. Go deep boys

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

This is definitely the top post in this thread...

 

This is the most balanced Bills offense we've seen, in a long time.  What every fan of Joe Brady was hoping for coming into the year, while pessimistic fans continued to harp on our lack of WR talent.

 

We can beat every scheme, its all about execution as you said. 

 

Joe Brady should be OC of the year, but I don't expect he'll get it.  1 offseason and he's fixed a lot of fundamental issues that were holding us back, just a bit (redzone, turnovers is amazing, etc), and set team records in the process.

Bless You Master.

 this game is going to be a Strategists bliss.

Not to to take anything away from the Players.

 But wow this is a Coaches game for two well matched ( YES ) Teams.

 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

I haven’t read the whole thread but this idea that we went conservative in the 3rd quarter is BS. We played a tight, conservative game the whole game. That was the plan. The difference in the 3rd quarter was execution. The plays were there to be made.

 

On the first series, Kincaid was wide open and Allen threw a bad pass. Yeah, Kincaid should have caught it but that pass was ass for a guy who was WIDE OPEN

 

On the 2nd series, Allen correctly alerted to the Knox screen. Why Knox was the target IDK, but that was the alert call in the huddle. Ravens were blitzing from that side. Knox screwed it up by running inside when he had blockers to the outside. Also, no one blocked Van Noy from the opposite side of the line. Poor execution.

 

If you watched Hard Knox, the Ravens game plan was to take away the intermediate to deep passes and “plastering” the receivers on scrambles. They ran a LOT of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 (According to Marino and Cover 1) which basically doubles both your outside receivers. So where’s the beef? With the run game and short passes over the middle which is where we went.

 

It was the perfect game specific game plan and it worked. Yeah, with a few better play calls and better execution it would have been a blow out but it wasn’t. Who cares. We are in the AFC Championship game. 

 

Everyone saying “we need to open it up” doesn’t understand the offensive philosophy. You take what the defense gives you. If KC loads the box you can bet we will look to throw it more. 

 

If we needed to, Josh would have opened it up against the Ravens. He never needed to because we were playing ball control especially in the 4th with a lead. Yeah, it got too close for comfort but we were playing probably the most talented team in the AFC who was peaking at the right time and we won.

 

The throw to Kincaid was absolutely there.   In fact they tried it again but a well-timed blitz forced a throw away.  Sometimes it just takes a play to change the trajectory of the game.  I really do think if he makes the catch to move the sticks the drive ends in a TD like the other 2 possessions.  

I agree with everything you said… in the end the Bills won and that’s all that matters.