Van Noy - "I've never seen them (Bills) do this as conservative they played"

[MJS]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

The conservative offence worries me a bit. It kind of reminds me of the first 6 or so games of the season.

 

Against KC, going to have to open it up more and put the game in your superstar QBs hands

 

2 hours ago, gomper said:

Exactly.  It worked against Baltimore but they'll have to be more aggressive against KC because KC is KC.

I don't believe this for a second. Allen and the Bills need to be smart, take what the defense gives them, and not turn over the football. They've been doing exactly what they need to, and they should continue that.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

The conservative offence worries me a bit. It kind of reminds me of the first 6 or so games of the season.

 

Against KC, going to have to open it up more and put the game in your superstar QBs hands

 

 

I am sure the Bills coaching staff understand this and will game plan accordingly.  

The Bills had a 2-headed monster to stop against the Ravens (in Lamar and Henry)....Against the Chiefs, they have to stop Mahomes...I think Offense will be a lot more loose in the Championship game

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

Bills actually need to lengthen, not shorten the game against the chiefs. A shootout allows the Bills to exploit their advantage in pass protection. With a ball control dunk and dunk fest, that advantage is wasted. 

 

Feels like yeah, for sure, but also: is keeping Mahomes OFF the field with time of possession ever a BAD idea?

 

1 hour ago, vincec said:

The Bills can and maybe should open it up a little more. But when you’ve got a great running and short passing game, keeping the ball and trying to control the game with your offense is a good game plan; especially when your defense is mediocre.

 

This feels right to me.

 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

It’s not a conservative offense.  It’s a power ball control offense with quick strike ability and it should scare the crap out of anyone we play.  We can beat you by driving the running game down a team’s throat, but if they load the box we can throw it down the field.  The hard part for opponents is that they know the Bills will score 28-30 points regardless of the quality of the defense.  Therefore the question is can the opponent’s offense keep up.

100% hit the nail on the head.  The Bills are in full control of their offense and the only thing they care is a win.  Its a team that had one 2nd team all-pro and 2 starting pro-bowlers....They prefer it that way

[gonzo1105]

If we win 45-40 great if we win 17-10 great I don’t care how it’s done. Find a way to get the Win 

[Ray Stonada]

The best thing about the Bills’ style they’ve developed this and last season is that it’s much easier and more straightforward to execute. We aren’t trying to doing super difficult things like complete six downfield passes per drive. Even if Josh is incredible at that, it’s fool’s gold in that you can be beaten by a time who plays an easier and therefore more consistent scoring strategy.

 

In this style there is also the benefit that the O line are the aggressors. I would bet a lot of money they much prefer playing under Brady than Daboll or Dorsey. Dawkins and Brown are showing what they can do in the run game and it is frankly scary. Coaches as experienced as Sean Payton and John Harbaugh were surprised by how powerful our run game has become.

 

I believe we have our best chance to finally upend the Chiefs, with this strategy. Pound and grind them down in the mortar and pestle of our running game. Hit some shallow passes to Shakir and some seam balls, and a few play action daggers. If our defense, much healthier than last year, can stop two drives per half, we should win by two scores or more.

[Billzgobowlin]

I think the end result should show you why we have excellent coaches. GDTs go crazy about one play even when we are up by two TDs. It's a mindset that leads to a lot of success.  Yes Josh is a big reason we are successful but if all it took was a great QB, Rivers would have been at a couple of Super Bowls and Brees would have been to a couple more.

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Chiefs haven’t scored over 30 all year ,,,

 

So look to score 31 on Sunday ….

 

Also …just heard that the last time the Chiefs turned the ball over was against us in November …. yikes ! 
 

 

 

Yikes - except the Bills had only 1 TO since the KC game - Josh’s 1 Int against NE in the endzone.

 

So neither team makes mistakes.

 

It is going to be a long, close, nerve racking game all around.

Edited yesterday at 11:25 AM by Rochesterfan

[Dan]

I saw a comment like this and thought it was evidence of McD out coaching the Ravens.  The Bills (1) developed a game plan specifically for the game that they weren’t expecting and hadn’t really prepared for. And (2) the Bills developed a game plan that was perfect for the weather - a cold, wet night - that would minimize mistakes and the chance for turnovers. 
 

I expect/hope that they’re developing a completely different way to attack the Chiefs to keep them equally off balance and unprepared.  Although, I think that’s harder considering this feels more like a divisional rivalry game given the frequency that we play them the last several years. 

[That's No Moon]

6 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Someone has to say it. 
maybe they were holding back as not to show KC what we have in store. 
 

I don't believe it either. 

It's almost like they've had a plan for how to win each of the two games. Weird.

[Sierra Foothills]

9 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

Listening from the enemy side gives you more insight, especially from a guy like Van Noy who has played in AFC East against the Bills for a long time.

 

"That was the most coservative Bills team I've played against." He went on saying he does not believe that's because of talent issue.

 

I remember someone else mentioned no turnovers ,1 sack, 1 penalty, almost no negative plays. Is this the new playoff formula McDermott is subscribing to now? Maybe it explain why no more throwing the ball all over the yard where wide receivers getting little receving action. Does Allen and WRs all buy into it? I guess we will see how it goes.  

 

 

Thanks for posting this. I was very impressed with Van Noy refusing to make excuses and go the sour grapes route.

 

He comported himself as a man.

 

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

But it only worked to overcome a team like the Ravens bc we were able to get 3 turnovers and do enough Defensively to hold them to 25. 

And it almost feels like a sin to play that style with a thoroughbred like Josh Allen at QB. Here's hoping the Baltimore game plan isn't what he subscribes to against the Chiefs. Bc man - it was frustrating as hell.

 

Count me as not frustrated and it's not simply choosing a "glass half-full" perspective.

 

Things I loved about the VICTORY:

• We won the time of possession
• We answered the Ravens opening TD drive with a TD drive of our own
• We scored TDs on 3 of our first 4 possessions
• On a frigid and slick day we played mistake-free football in contrast to our opponents
• Excepting the kneel down possession at the end we had 10 play and 11 play fourth quarter field goal drives to maintain the lead. Both possessions were run-heavy.

Things I wished we did differently (3 plays):

• On the 3rd and goal from the 2 we should have called the tush push instead of the shotgun run by Josh
• On the 2 3rd down possessions where we punted there were first down runs of 1 and zero yards  which helped stall the drives (though there was a Kincaid drop which killed one of the drives)

I thought it was a great win and a strategic success. And I really don't care what they look like as much as some do.

 

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

By the way folks, the Bills are 15-1 this season when they score 23 or more.  The one loss was the crazy LAR game.

 

Super interesting fact.

 

3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

The best thing about the Bills’ style they’ve developed this and last season is that it’s much easier and more straightforward to execute. We aren’t trying to doing super difficult things like complete six downfield passes per drive. Even if Josh is incredible at that, it’s fool’s gold in that you can be beaten by a time who plays an easier and therefore more consistent scoring strategy.

 

In this style there is also the benefit that the O line are the aggressors. I would bet a lot of money they much prefer playing under Brady than Daboll or Dorsey. Dawkins and Brown are showing what they can do in the run game and it is frankly scary. Coaches as experienced as Sean Payton and John Harbaugh were surprised by how powerful our run game has become.

 

I believe we have our best chance to finally upend the Chiefs, with this strategy. Pound and grind them down in the mortar and pestle of our running game. Hit some shallow passes to Shakir and some seam balls, and a few play action daggers. If our defense, much healthier than last year, can stop two drives per half, we should win by two scores or more.

 

I too would like to see a physical domination of the Chiefs.

 

Incidentally, who'd have thought that the Bills would beat the Ravens in a game where Josh never had to pull his cape out of the closet?

 

Great win.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:43 PM by Sierra Foothills

[colin]

I do think the bills were too conservative at times.  they become a bit predictable in the start of the 3rd quarter, they should have broken pattern a little bit, i think TY johnson should have been involved more, but that D is a bad match up for us.

 

The bills are obviously more conservative on o than they were before, we were what, mid 20s in pass attempts?  but one thing i think of is: where is our best talent on O?  reflexively we think we have josh, he's the goat, so we have to pass the ball all day.  well, if you go top to bottom talent on our O, it's josh, then something like dawkins/brown, cook, torrence, and a mix of other OL, backs, and maybe a TE with one of our Wrs thrown in.  all the talent is around the ball, our ol qb and back talent is just a lot better than our outside talent.  if it's not the best ol in football, it has been playing like it.  and outside of allen, cook is easily our most dangerous offensive weapon, and our other 2 backs are live players too.  so if you look at it that way, it kinda makes sense that we don't pass as much, especially when allen can be in the run game himself.  

 

its strange to see josh be a game manager, but if he's not throwing to consistently effective targets down the field, it makes a lot of sense.

[BillsFan130]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

 

I don't believe this for a second. Allen and the Bills need to be smart, take what the defense gives them, and not turn over the football. They've been doing exactly what they need to, and they should continue that.

If bills offence plays like that again, they will lose by multiple scores.

 

Mahomes/KC isn't turning the ball over 3 times like Baltimore 

[aristocrat]

The Ravens gameplan showed mcd finally learned to change the defense based on the team we're playing. Problem is the offense just kinda got the lead and hung on. It's time for the offense to put the pedal to the floor and just score.  This is the Mcd kitchen sink game. Throw everything at KC including the kitchen sink. 

[SoTier]

 

7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Stop with the have to open it up more, have to get player X involved.  Brady will do and call what he feels works against what the D is doing.  It may be more runs, more deep shots, more throws to RBs.  This approach is working.

 

Exactly.  The Bills' offensive and defensive game plans are tailored specifically for their current opponent, so each game plan is different.   Sometimes the offense and/or defense look similar from game to game because of the opponents have similar weaknesses and strength.   The Bills are not going to play the same kind of offense and defense against KC as they did against Baltimore because KC isn't Baltimore. 

 

6 hours ago, MJS said:

 

I don't believe this for a second. Allen and the Bills need to be smart, take what the defense gives them, and not turn over the football. They've been doing exactly what they need to, and they should continue that.

 

  This is the Bills overriding philosophy for every game, and it absolutely works.   It means every game requires game plans constructed to exploit each opponent's specific strengths and weaknesses while minimizing stupid plays and mistakes.  Too many posters don't understand this. 

 

3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

The best thing about the Bills’ style they’ve developed this and last season is that it’s much easier and more straightforward to execute. We aren’t trying to doing super difficult things like complete six downfield passes per drive. Even if Josh is incredible at that, it’s fool’s gold in that you can be beaten by a time who plays an easier and therefore more consistent scoring strategy.

 

In this style there is also the benefit that the O line are the aggressors. I would bet a lot of money they much prefer playing under Brady than Daboll or Dorsey. Dawkins and Brown are showing what they can do in the run game and it is frankly scary. Coaches as experienced as Sean Payton and John Harbaugh were surprised by how powerful our run game has become.

 

I believe we have our best chance to finally upend the Chiefs, with this strategy. Pound and grind them down in the mortar and pestle of our running game. Hit some shallow passes to Shakir and some seam balls, and a few play action daggers. If our defense, much healthier than last year, can stop two drives per half, we should win by two scores or more.

 

IMO, Allen and the OL are the Bills deadliest offensive weapons because the Bills can run or pass.  When opponents sell out to stop the run, the Bills can counter by passing.

[BearNorth]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Also …just heard that the last time the Chiefs turned the ball over was against us in November …. yikes ! 
 

 

Bills only turnover since the KC game was a single INT vs. NE on 12/22 - a 50 yard arm punt on 3rd & 16 where Ty Johnson made a great tackle of Mapu on the 1 yard line.

[harmonkillebrew]

Spags aint going to let the Bills run all over them.  He'll study the Baltimore tape and see the tendencies and be ready from the get.  Brady will have to be able to adapt quickly and call the game of his life to score more than 20.  

 

I'll say, I think the conditions were pretty slippery out there against Balt. That synthetic stuff just doesn't hold up in the wet and cold.  That was probably a factor in playing it conservative. A lot of potential YAC and a few catches were also affected.  And we saw Lamar and Andrews wasn't able to hold on to the ball

[Peace Frog]

I think as long as we're not behind by two scores (or worse!?!), keep using 6 O-linemen. It will beat up their defense and keep PM on the sideline.

[BillsFan130]

58 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

Exactly.  The Bills' offensive and defensive game plans are tailored specifically for their current opponent, so each game plan is different.   Sometimes the offense and/or defense look similar from game to game because of the opponents have similar weaknesses and strength.   The Bills are not going to play the same kind of offense and defense against KC as they did against Baltimore because KC isn't Baltimore. 

 

 

  This is the Bills overriding philosophy for every game, and it absolutely works.   It means every game requires game plans constructed to exploit each opponent's specific strengths and weaknesses while minimizing stupid plays and mistakes.  Too many posters don't understand this. 

 

 

IMO, Allen and the OL are the Bills deadliest offensive weapons because the Bills can run or pass.  When opponents sell out to stop the run, the Bills can counter by passing.

Per the bolded- The ravens strength is their rush D. Number 1 in the nfl if I'm not mistaken .  So when you say the bills were exploiting the opponents weakness and us posters don't "understand that", respectfully your point doesn't make sense- Considering they were continuing trying to run against the ravens strength and got very little in the 2nd half.

The results in the 2nd half ? Only one 1st down in the 3rd quarter- 6 total points in the 2nd half- And barely over 100 yards in the 2nd half.

 

You think that's a good game plan? Or do you believe it was poor execution?

 

Cause objectively , the 2nd half offence wasn't good at all and it almost cost them the game 

Edited yesterday at 01:29 PM by BillsFan130

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

If bills offence plays like that again, they will lose by multiple scores.

 

Mahomes/KC isn't turning the ball over 3 times like Baltimore 

Ok. Enough already.  How many times does it need to be said that Brady is being consistent with what he has said since before the season?  Everybody eats.  Brady has shown throughout the season that he will devise games plans and call plays based on the defense in front of him.  The one constant has been a commitment to a mix of pass and run, but there are games where they will be more run oriented and more conservative with the pass game as they were Sunday, and games where they will be more aggressive with the passing game as they did against the Lions earlier this year.  This offense before this past Sunday had I think 10 games in a row scoring over 30 ppg (take out the Pats game with the second stringers).  

 

It is time for fans and media and everyone else to realize this Bills offense is really good.  The O line is really good.  The RBs are really good.  The WRs and TEs are good and both complement the run game and play into the unselfish everybody eats format.  And Josh is other worldly.