Patriots expected to hire former assistant Josh McDaniels as next offensive coordinator

[Richard Noggin]

There are legitimate questions about McDaniels as a leader and as a developer of QBs. That being said (lol), I've always respected his commitment to fielding physical offenses that run the ball and utilize the short passing game as an extension of that rushing attack. He's obviously been the OC for some VERY successful offenses/teams, and we all know the easy way to discredit his contributions to those successful seasons...but he's always struck me as a clever, ultra-competitive, worthy foe. (Totally possible that he's too intolerable and unyielding to work with today's players; I'd think that's where the HC and all the assistants could help to round out the workplace/meeting room culture.)

[Sweats]

12 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

As someone who honestly doesn't know, did McDaniels ever succeed anywhere where he didn't have Bill supervising him?  

 

 

 

That's a huge NO.

 

He single handedly set Denver back about 8-10 years with his piss poor drafting and overall bad decisions with that franchise.........and then couldn't understand why he got fired. 

 

..............he then rushed back to his ole daddy Belichick's teet

 

Disgusting

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

Did have Mac Jones looking decent though.

Surely you jest.  Mac Jones looked 'decent'?  More like 'descent'. 🤔🤨

6 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

That's a huge NO.

 

He single handedly set Denver back about 8-10 years with his piss poor drafting and overall bad decisions with that franchise.........and then couldn't understand why he got fired. 

 

..............he then rushed back to his ole daddy Belichick's teet

 

Disgusting

A 'mole'? 🤔😁

[Sweats]

23 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Surely you jest.  Mac Jones looked 'decent'?  More like 'descent'. 🤔🤨

A 'mole'? 🤔😁

 

 

 

 

I don't think Belichick's teet has any moles..........

[JP51]

14 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

As someone who honestly doesn't know, did McDaniels ever succeed anywhere where he didn't have Bill supervising him?  

and Brady as QB... not really... Josh "Billy Martin" McDaniels LOL will probably be fine... but I do believe that coaches have a shelf life unless they are constant innovators especially co ordinators... as the league changes... they also need to design systems that take advantage of their players skills... we will see what "Billy" does... maybe its an improvement... but I am not expecting a redeux of the old Brady offense... 

[Ghost_002!]

14 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Not to brag, but I think I could have been a pretty damn good OC with Tom Brady as my QB. 

 

 

Had a top 10 offense when he had

 

Matt Cassell

Cam Newton 

And Mac Jones 

[FLFan]

Poor Drake Maye.  What this situation called for in NE was some new blood, new thinking, a chance to remold that team into a modern offense around a promising young QB.  Instead what he’s got is another attempt to relive the glory years with old school “Patriot Way” coaches.  They will likely be better than the Jets though, so there is that.  

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Surely you jest.  Mac Jones looked 'decent'?  More like 'descent'. 🤔🤨

 

 

Oh, how short are memories.....Mac Jones rookie year, the Pats went 10-7, Mac threw 22 TD passes to 13 INTs, 224 ypg passing completing 68% ....those aren't world-beating stats but they are absolutely decent for a rookie and he was runner-up OROY to Ja'Mar Chase as a result.  Coming into Buffalo, there was a lot of talk about how great he was.

 

Josh McDaniel got a job as HC in Vegas, partly on the strength of how good Mac looked as a rookie.

 

Next year, of course, Belichick got the bright idea to hire Matt Patricia as OC and Joe Judge as QB coach, Mac hated them both and rebelled, and the slippery slope was on.

 

Anyway, that year is pretty much the only argument for Josh McDaniels being a competent OC without Brady and the Patriots Way around him.
 

[Bruffalo]

15 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Not to brag, but I think I could have been a pretty damn good OC with Tom Brady as my QB. 

Overwhelming evidence to support your claim: Adam Gase. A guy who coasted off being Manning's coach for nearly a decade while being objectively awful at his job.  

Edited yesterday at 02:53 PM by Bruffalo

[Matt_In_NH]

re tread re tread re tread.....this will fail

[T master]

16 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

>>>  "Whaddya got that's cheaper?"

 

<<<  "Well, we have this '84 Dodge Powerwagon.  260,000 miles, 45 day warranty..."

 

This past year i have bought a 1975 Power Wagon with a 440 in it, it has over 100K on it and with some new pieces it is one bad ass truck so never under estimate the strength of the classics . JMHO .

[Ghost_002!]

15 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Overwhelming evidence to support your claim: Adam Gase. A guy who coasted off being Manning's coach for nearly a decade while being objectively awful at his job.  

 

 

There's a difference between being a coordinator than being a head coach.

 

Steve Spagnuolo was a great DC w the giants got a head coaching job and got fire. Went back to being a DC and is pretty damn good.

 

 

I could name a few more that haven't been good head coaches but are good defense or offensive coordinators.

Edited yesterday at 03:09 PM by Ghost_002!

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

There's a difference between being a coordinator than being a head coach.

 

Steve Spagnuolo was a great DC w the giants got a head coaching job and got fire. Went back to being a DC and is pretty damn good.

 

 

I could name a few more that haven't been good head coaches but are good defense or offensive coordinators.

Gase was an awful coordinator too though. 

[Ghost_002!]

2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Gase was an awful coordinator too though. 

 

 

But McDaniels is not an awful OC.

[Bruffalo]

6 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

But McDaniels is not an awful OC.

Has he ever done well without Tom Brady? It doesn't seem like it. 

 

Just to be clear, that's the point I was making. There are coaches who had elite talents who are seemingly good coordinators with the elite talent, but then go on to do nothing. That's Adam Gase in a nutshell, and I think it can apply to McDaniels to some degree as well. Either way, I'm not going to go and worry about the Patriots until they prove they're worth thinking about again. 

Edited yesterday at 03:23 PM by Bruffalo

[Ghost_002!]

23 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Has he ever done well without Tom Brady? It doesn't seem like it. 

 

Just to be clear, that's the point I was making. There are coaches who had elite talents who are seemingly good coordinators with the elite talent, but then go on to do nothing. That's Adam Gase in a nutshell, and I think it can apply to McDaniels to some degree as well. Either way, I'm not going to go and worry about the Patriots until they prove they're worth thinking about again. 

 

 

My original post.

 

He has had a top 10 offense with QBs

 

Matt Cassell

Mac Jones

Cam Newton(I'm wrong about Cam Newton)

 

And you have named 1 coordinator that wasn't good I have given you 2 that were good as coordinators but not as head coaches. I can give you another one.

 

 

Jim Schwartz;

Not the greatest head coach but is a great DC

 

Edited yesterday at 03:43 PM by Ghost_002!

[machine gun kelly]

Who knows as Brady made him look great.  He stunk at his chances for a HC opportunity twice.

[msw2112]

I think that Vrabel is a good coach and Maye is a good young QB.  I'm not as high on McDaniels, but I do think the Patriots are going to be a bigger thorn in the Bills' side than the Jests or Dolphins.  Vrabel had a pretty good run with the Titans and his personnel was pretty bad at the end of his tenure there.  I don't think they've gotten any better since he left.

[Cash]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Oh, how short are memories.....Mac Jones rookie year, the Pats went 10-7, Mac threw 22 TD passes to 13 INTs, 224 ypg passing completing 68% ....those aren't world-beating stats but they are absolutely decent for a rookie and he was runner-up OROY to Ja'Mar Chase as a result.  Coming into Buffalo, there was a lot of talk about how great he was.

 

Josh McDaniel got a job as HC in Vegas, partly on the strength of how good Mac looked as a rookie.

 

Next year, of course, Belichick got the bright idea to hire Matt Patricia as OC and Joe Judge as QB coach, Mac hated them both and rebelled, and the slippery slope was on.

 

Anyway, that year is pretty much the only argument for Josh McDaniels being a competent OC without Brady and the Patriots Way around him.
 

 

Yeah, absolutely.  There was a lot of hype for Jac Mones here in the Boston area.  And it wasn't totally unwarranted - he looked good as a rookie, and led his team to the playoffs. But the hype was mostly unwarranted, because:

 

1.) Mones came in as seemingly a finished product in some ways.  He was playing kind of like a savvy veteran, which is good for winning games right now, but also means he didn't have as much room for improvement as a typical rookie would.

 

AND

 

2.) Watching the games, you could see his arm wasn't great.  Not Peterman-level "you can't play in the NFL" weak, but low enough that it would really limit what his team could do on offense.  I once made a guy in a bar pretty sad by saying that his best case was Chad Pennington unless he significantly improved his arm strength.

 

Now, I didn't expect Mones to flame out as bad as he actually did, and I suspect his confidence just became totally shot.  The abysmal coaching in his 2nd year was probably a factor there, but I don't think he was ever going to be better than a mid/low tier starter.

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Had a top 10 offense when he had

 

Matt Cassell

Cam Newton 

And Mac Jones 

 

When did Josh McDaniels have a top 10 offense with Cam Newton?  The year Cam played for the Pats, their offense was 27th in the league

(#4 for rush yards though)

 

With Matt Cassell, Pats had an offense that was #1 in the league the previous year with Brady and still had Moss, Welker, and a stable of capable RBs; plugged in a QB who had 4 years to watch and learn; and got capable results.

 

The bigger question for Pats fans who want to see Drake Maye reach his potential, is what results has McDaniel had developing QB?

And you can't address that question without looking at Sam Bradford - who looked promising under Pat Shurmer, promising under Brian Shottenheimer, and like he just couldn't play in between with Josh McDaniel.

 

Mac Jones their offense was #6 for points, I do grant that.

So I give you 1 year of "+" and 1 year of (- - ) on McDaniel with a young QB.