Dion Dawkins and the Bills ripped off - Baldy agrees

[MJS]

Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

In real time it looked like white yanked him down.  If you freeze frame stuff its more obvious but the ref who called the penalty had a very good view right on the field.  

 

They also never called a single OPI on baltimore despite numerous pick plays, including a couple full initiated blocks by andrews well before the ball is delivered.  Much like a hold... these are drive killers.  

Well, the ball doesn't have to actually be delivered. They can start blocking as soon as the ball leaves the QB's hand.

 

The official should be saying to himself, "It looked like the player got yanked down, but I didn't actually see Dawkins do that.". They need to stop officiating the reaction, only the actual action. They are cheating by guessing what caused it. And when they guess like that, sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are wrong. That is the whole crux of the officiating problem. They'll miss some calls if they stop cheating like that, but at least they have a defense. "I can only call what I see, and I didn't see that."

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

18 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

That holding call was absolutely massive momentum wise.  I think the call itself was for sure worse than the Tre white call but both were definitely bad 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

In real time it looked like white yanked him down.  If you freeze frame stuff its more obvious but the ref who called the penalty had a very good view right on the field.  

 

They also never called a single OPI on baltimore despite numerous pick plays, including a couple full initiated blocks by andrews well before the ball is delivered.  Much like a hold... these are drive killers.  

 

Andrews had at least 2 blatant OPI go uncalled (push off on T.Johnson and one he had arms full extended and blocking like 10+yards downfield). Ravens O-line was getting away with murder too

[QB Bills]

Maybe there's another replay out there that will show something different but this is not DPI. If anything, they could have called Coleman for this. But with how Andrews was committing OPI on every route, they seemed to let them play on that side of the ball.

 

This was a third down play that was a pretty big turning point in the game imo.

[Kaenon]

25 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

I don't agree with this.

The holding penalty killed the drive and forced us to punt.

Tre had Coleman's hands and was a borderline call, but at minimum could have been illegal contact or PI and it was.

 

But just my opinion, doesn't count for anything!

[MrEpsYtown]

Yeah, as a HS coach, my biggest gripe with refs is they call things they "think" they saw. 

 

They should never throw a flag because they think they saw something. If you see it and it is clear as day and zero doubt whatsoever, throw the flag. 

 

This one was awful. Not even close. For a professional whose job it is to stare at these guys and make these calls, it's egregious. 

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

Lost in the entirety of the game was just how bad and damaging this call was. It is the offense’s version of a very poorly called PI on the defense. Holding calls are drive killers. This is the second time this year Dion has been flagged for masterful o-line play.

 

Obviously, it’s in the history books but c’mon refs - be better with what you are looking at.  

 

There was an article on one of my main news feeds just hours after showing the play and saying that NFL officiating has been poor this year.

[benderbender]

29 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

Because the referee crew selected will not “let them play” in KC. If there’s a sports book taking action on flags thrown, they’d have to set the over/under at 15

[Virgil]

Holding needs to be reduced to a 5 yard penalty.  They are called too much and aren’t dangerous.  
 

The impact of the 10 yards is disproportionate to the penalty committed 

[Shaw66]

36 minutes ago, T.E. said:

White physically impeded the route of the WR and held both his arms to boot. Not sure why everyone thought that didn't matter just because Coleman shoved him out of the way.

This.  Plus, Coleman did what he wasn't doing earlier in the season, which was to finish the play by going after the ball and running through White.  At that point, White clearly was simply in the way of the receiver trying to make a play on the ball. 

16 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe there's another replay out there that will show something different but this is not DPI. 

Of course it's DPI.  The defender is not permitted to get into the path that the receiver is running and stop the receiver from continuing his route.  He just can't do that.  

[Man with No Name]

watching the replay a few posts up, i am more in line with thinking that wasn't a bad call. White has his hands on Coleman before and after 5 yards. Coleman's hands were a reaction to that. And then White isn't able to get out of his own way and run with the ball, impeding Coleman's ability to go to the ball.  It's easily a 5 yard call and a first down. And it's fair to call it a PI. I'm 50/50 on that. I wouldn't have cried bloody murder if only 5 yards, but I think the interference call is justified. 

I think people were influenced by Gene Sterratore's opinion on the call, which wasn't fully fleshed out, imo. 

[zow2]

35 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

 

I heard one broadcaster mention that KC has been hit with fewer penalties than their opponents in 8 of their last 9 playoff games.  

 

I think the refs let some stuff go last Sunday night on both clubs,  but if suddenly the Bills go from be flagged one time to 9 times at Arrowhead I will have a huge beef with the refs.

[Shaw66]

As for the Dawkins call, I saw it once on replay in the stadium, and it's the same bad call that's been made against Dawkins a couple of times in the past few weeks.  As someone said, it's surprising that the refs haven't been educated about this move.  And they called it on Torrence earlier this season, too.  

 

And it was a big play. Score tied 7-7.  Second and 11 at the Baltimore 47.  Allen completes and 8 yard pass to Samuel, to make it third and 3.  Instead, the Bills lose 10 and it's second and 21. Bills punted two plays later.  Bills quite probably would have gotten the first down, and they probably would have gotten 3 or 7 points.  

[Ralonzo]

42 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I had a rudimentary debate with someone at my favorite watering hole Sunday for lunch as he clearly made a move to slide.  You can only put your hand on him to say he’s down.

 

 

If you finally turtle after running toward the sideline, stopping, and doing a 180 straight back toward the middle of the field jumping around like a Kansas City ferret, I don't think that ought to be considered a valid "slide" to give yourself up as a QB.

[Spiderweb]

50 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

BS....... White held, then interfered... Call was equally one or the other.

[Sweats]

29 minutes ago, MJS said:

Well, the ball doesn't have to actually be delivered. They can start blocking as soon as the ball leaves the QB's hand.

 

The official should be saying to himself, "It looked like the player got yanked down, but I didn't actually see Dawkins do that.". They need to stop officiating the reaction, only the actual action. They are cheating by guessing what caused it. And when they guess like that, sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are wrong. That is the whole crux of the officiating problem. They'll miss some calls if they stop cheating like that, but at least they have a defense. "I can only call what I see, and I didn't see that."

 

 

 

Just like Mahomes on the weekend, the ref didn't actually see him get hit, just saw Mahomes head snap back and assumed that it was a hit to the head.......replay showed he was hit in the chest (a perfectly legal hit) but because the ref saw the reaction and not the actual hit, assumed it was roughing the passer.

 

............disgusting.

[JP51]

I am gonna say this... the Dawkins call was a complete whiff... just inexcusable... the Coleman call I honestly thought we were gonna get Offensive PI watching it again in a playoff game... I let it go and hold on to the flag.... the thing that really got me and I rememeber Oliver complaining even after the sack of Jackson was literally some of the worst non holding calls I have seen yet on our interior line... like how can you call Dawkins and not see a DL with a clear line to the QB with an OL that has a hand full of his jersey pulling him sideways... it wasnt even like it was away from the play it was the play... I dont even know what to say about the officiating anymore... this was not the worst called game I have seen against the Bills... this one in comparison to some of those was actually tame... but I think you have to resign yourself to on any given day you have to beat the officials too...  i just got nothing anymore to think about the officiating in this league... 

[Wraith]

24 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe there's another replay out there that will show something different but this is not DPI. If anything, they could have called Coleman for this. But with how Andrews was committing OPI on every route, they seemed to let them play on that side of the ball.

 

This was a third down play that was a pretty big turning point in the game imo.

What are we doing here, man? Your own video shows Tre initiated contact at the 20 yard line and is full on holding him from the ~19 down to the 13 yard lines. The line of scrimmage was the 27 yard line. There is a five yard zone where DBs can make contact with a receiver down field. This was textbook illegal contact that converted to defensive pass interference because he did it while the ball was in the air. This was not a bad call by the official.

[Ralonzo]

25 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Maybe there's another replay out there that will show something different but this is not DPI. If anything, they could have called Coleman for this. But with how Andrews was committing OPI on every route, they seemed to let them play on that side of the ball.

 

This was a third down play that was a pretty big turning point in the game imo.

 

This is the one call that favored the Bills in the game. Of course it's the call that make the highlight reels with a commentary that it's "questionable." A few packages also showed the clear DPI on Shakir on 3rd down but the scripts did not comment that as a missed call. Hence the narrative that "oooh the refs are in da Billzz pocket$ durrrr." No mention of: above DPI, bogus call on Dawkins, a couple false starts, PF's against Kincaid and Knox ignored, and Andrews tiring his hands out holding Bills defenders to the point where he couldn't hold the ball.

[BigAl2526]

58 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

I don't know that the PI call was that much more significant.  Yes, it brought the Bills pretty close to the end zone, but the phantom holding call was a drive killer.  Who's to say Buffalo couldn't have scored a touchdown.