Dion Dawkins and the Bills ripped off - Baldy agrees

[BuffaloBill]

 

Lost in the entirety of the game was just how bad and damaging this call was. It is the offense’s version of a very poorly called PI on the defense. Holding calls are drive killers. This is the second time this year Dion has been flagged for masterful o-line play.

 

Obviously, it’s in the history books but c’mon refs - be better with what you are looking at.  

[JMM]

Yup its happened several times, how have the refs NOT been educated on this?? I GUARANTEE you the Bills have addressed it with the league office.  This false penalty almost certainly cost the Bills points. 

[QB Bills]

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

[machine gun kelly]

As always Baldy is right, just like all of these KC haters saying it wasn’t a flag when the two Texans guys collided with each other over a Mahomes slides wasn’t a penalty.  I had a rudimentary debate with someone at my favorite watering hole Sunday for lunch as he clearly made a move to slide.  You can only put your hand on him to say he’s down.  The overhype was ridiculous amd yes, the Chiefs have had way too many questionable  calls go their way this year.  This wasn’t one of them.

 

 

[Beck Water]

All I ask is that the refs this coming week call "illegal formation" and "false start" penalties on the both lines equally, and holding on both lines equally.

 

It was very annoying watching Baltimore clothesline our DLmen in obvious ways and no calls.

It would be more annoying watching the KC tackles line up way behind the LOS and false start repeatedly.

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

White physically impeded the route of the WR and held both his arms to boot. Not sure why everyone thought that didn't matter just because Coleman shoved him out of the way.

[QB Bills]

25 minutes ago, T.E. said:

White physically impeded the route of the WR and held both his arms to boot. Not sure why everyone thought that didn't matter just because Coleman shoved him out of the way.

That just isn't true. He did neither of those things beyond what happens on any pass play.

 

If the roles were reversed and Benford or Douglas got called for that, we'd have 3 separate threads on this board screaming bloody murder. 

Edited 12 hours ago by QB Bills

[Charles Romes]

It’s one thing to get flagged for doing something that’s not a penalty.
 

It’s a whole other thing to get flagged when you have DOMINATED a rep.

 

I was shocked when this happened. Don’t the refs know who Dion Dawkins is, and that he doesn’t need to hold? This is where the lack of all pro recognition can really hurt. 

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, QB Bills said:

That just isn't true. He did neither of those things beyond what happens on any pass play.

 

If the roles were reversed and Benford or Douglas got called for that, we'd have 3 separate thread on this board screaming bloody murder. 

It's routinely called; he made contact outside of the 5 yard cushion. It only looked like a bad call because Coleman did a terrible job of selling it.

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

Disagree, if the Bills have even more points going into the half it might cause the Ravens to pass more in 2nd half and tbh they Ravens got their offense going when Henry was running in the 3rd quarter. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

 

White committed a foul. I think it was holding / illegal contact and 5 yards rather than a spot foul but it was a foul. He had Coleman grabbed before Josh released the ball.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

That just isn't true. He did neither of those things beyond what happens on any pass play.

 

If the roles were reversed and Benford or Douglas got called for that, we'd have 3 separate thread on this board screaming bloody murder. 

 

If i can't jump for the jump ball because of contact... then there's probably too much contact.  He shoved him and extended his arm so i can see the opi discussion, but his entire body was wrapped around coleman at that point.  

1 minute ago, T.E. said:

It's routinely called; he made contact outside of the 5 yard cushion. It only looked like a bad call because Coleman did a terrible job of selling it.

 

Right, maybe if he tried to jump instead of create space it would've been more apparent.  

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

It’s one thing to get flagged for doing something that’s not a penalty.
 

It’s a whole other thing to get flagged when you have DOMINATED a rep.

 

I was shocked when this happened. Don’t the refs know who Dion Dawkins is, and that he doesn’t need to hold? This is where the lack of all pro recognition can really hurt. 

The problem is the refs can only rely on their eyes and on first glance it appeared it be a hold due to way defender reacted, much like Mahomes on the roughing the passer. In these instances the league might want to allow the ref in the sky over rule the refs on the field if can see clearly it wasn't a penalty. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

That just isn't true. He did neither of those things beyond what happens on any pass play.

 

If the roles were reversed and Benford or Douglas got called for that, we'd have 3 separate thread on this board screaming bloody murder. 

 

Not from me you wouldn't when the Bills commit a penalty I call it a penalty. The Ravens got hosed a little in that the wrong penalty (with the bigger tarrif applied to it) was called. But it was a definite foul.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

9 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

 

I thought the call on Dawkins was worse as he showed perfect technique and should NEVER be called a penalty. White was stumbling and created a bit of contact with Coleman, I could see that being called if the refs were being really tight with contact in the secondary. This was a 'let them play' type game though so it's pretty ridiculous to call that penalty on Tre.

 

Pretty funny that we only had 1 accepted penalty and we still have a legitimate gripe about the officiating. 

[MJS]

13 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

To be fair, that PI call on Tre White was ridiculous and benefitted us far more than this holding call hurt.

 

Really can't complain about the refs this past Sunday. Saving all of that for this week 🙂 

I disagree. It killed a drive.

 

And the penalty on Tre White was at least illegal contact. White was engaged with the receiver past 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, impacting his route. And when he fell, he further impacted his route. It was a borderline call that maybe you want to not see called for PI, but it was nothing like the Dawkins call, which was not holding by any stretch of the imagination.

[LABILLBACKER]

Clearly the refs have no clue (or just don't care) what the rules are. He also slips on the snow covered field. This individual ref is a cross section of the incompetence we see every damn week. And the NFL is just not motivated to do anything about it.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I thought the call on Dawkins was worse as he showed perfect technique and should NEVER be called a penalty. White was stumbling and created a bit of contact with Coleman, I could see that being called if the refs were being really tight with contact in the secondary. This was a 'let them play' type game though so it's pretty ridiculous to call that penalty on Tre.

 

Pretty funny that we only had 1 accepted penalty and we still have a legitimate gripe about the officiating. 

 

In real time it looked like white yanked him down.  If you freeze frame stuff its more obvious but the ref who called the penalty had a very good view right on the field.  

 

They also never called a single OPI on baltimore despite numerous pick plays, including a couple full initiated blocks by andrews well before the ball is delivered.  Much like a hold... these are drive killers.  

[MJS]

11 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The problem is the refs can only rely on their eyes and on first glance it appeared it be a hold due to way defender reacted, much like Mahomes on the roughing the passer. In these instances the league might want to allow the ref in the sky over rule the refs on the field if can see clearly it wasn't a penalty. 

You aren't supposed to officiate the reaction. You are supposed to officiate the action. You see it all the time with phantom facemask calls. The player turns his head and draws a flag when the defender never even touches the facemask.

 

Officials need to be trained out of that. You can't throw flags like that. You can only throw them if you see something actually happen.

Edited 12 hours ago by MJS

[LABILLBACKER]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The problem is the refs can only rely on their eyes and on first glance it appeared it be a hold due to way defender reacted, much like Mahomes on the roughing the passer. In these instances the league might want to allow the ref in the sky over rule the refs on the field if can see clearly it wasn't a penalty. 

But they rarely use replay assist. And when they do, it's for selected circumstances. It's worthless if it doesn't cover everything that goes on in a game.  Why buy a car if you're never going to drive it.