Most Aggressive Coaches of 2024

[GoBills808]

Just now, MJS said:

If you can't understand that tweet, make sure you aren't one of those fans who criticizes offensive and defensive schemes and play calling, because that is FAR more complicated.

by all means explain away

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

53 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The 2nd half of last weeks game disagrees. 

 

It was a game flow thing though.  Up two, you want to be up more than 3 so you don't lose on a FG.  You also force them to go for 2 if they score a TD when they are down 5.  If they score and don't get the 2... then you are down 1 and can win on a FG.  

 

Now up 5 with 3:30 ... if they were closer i think they just sneak it (i think they also sneak it if they run into a 3rd and goal from the 2 again).  But going up 8 under 4 minutes forces them to score a TD and 2 point conversion.  The only result that you can lose on is if they don't get the 2, and get the onside kick.  

 

If harbaugh's aggressive move to go for 2 in the 3rd quarter works, i think they try and get the TD to try and put it away.  But 8 points with 330 is a very advantageous position. They can't really play this out to not give Allen the ball with time because they need the TD.  

[TheBrownBear]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Fans do say that about the defense, but they don't even know what they are talking about. Basically, if the team converts, he was being too conservative. It doesn't matter what formation the defense was in, what play was called, if they blitzed or not, etc. If the offense converts, McDermott gets called conservative. It is just ignorant, honestly. And it is very similar to when he was being called conservative on offense. It just wasn't true, and it isn't now on the defensive side.

 

The issue is the defense is not very good at stopping teams between the 20's. We don't have an elite defense anymore.

I think memories of 13 seconds and 2022-23 (loss to Vikings and the free releases we kept granting Cincy's receivers in the playoff game) are doing a lot of heavy lifting in this regard.  And our third down defense absolutely sucks, so it does bring into question whether it's scheme/strategy or just poor talent.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I have to be honest I have no idea what that tweet is saying

 

Buffalo was expected to go for it on 11.8% of attempts, they went for it on 21.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I agree with both replies thus far.

Still, sadly, I fear the "McDermott is too conservative" nonsense will stick around for years to come, even though it's been proven again and again to be outdated nonsense.

And it all comes back to his penchant for deep zones and wanting to have a great run game

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Buffalo was expected to go for it on 11.8% of attempts, they went for it on 21.  

11.8 percent? Or attempts total? And as compared...to the rest of the league as opposed to when we actually should go for it?
 

come on what does this measure, anyone plz

[Logic]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I have to be honest I have no idea what that tweet is saying

I agree that its worded poorly and in a confusing way.

The website/chart make sense to me. The Tweet is confusing.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I have to be honest I have no idea what that tweet is saying

 

It's most aggressive compared to the mean response by NFL coaches in that scenario. 

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

And as compared...to the rest of the league as opposed to when we actually should go for it?
 

 

Correct.

Edited 14 hours ago by GunnerBill

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It's most aggressive compared to the mean response by NFL coaches in that scenario. 

 

Correct.

right

 

i think it's of dubious value is the overall point no offense to OP...i mean it's interesting but less useful unless the standard is the correct decision as opposed to the popular one

 

zero credit to @MJS for turning tail

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, TheBrownBear said:

I think memories of 13 seconds and 2022-23 (loss to Vikings and the free releases we kept granting Cincy's receivers in the playoff game) are doing a lot of heavy lifting in this regard.  And our third down defense absolutely sucks, so it does bring into question whether it's scheme/strategy or just poor talent.

 

I think the pass rush has just not been getting home all year long.  At the end of the day though, every team feasts on bad offensive lines and QBs that hold the ball.  3rd down defense for "good defenses" is still never as good when you look at their games against good offenses.  

 

The lions had the best 3rd down defense in football this year from a conversion standpoint.  Buffalo was 5-10, the jaguars were 2/10.  

Pittsburgh was 2nd.  They held denver to 2/10 in week 2, baltimore was 10-15 in the playoff game.

 

Buffalo had the fewest turnovers in a season in a long time - yet their turnover % isn't #1.  The defense was 3rd in the league in turnovers, yet their turnover % is #1.  The goal is to have fewer drives, and amplify the impact of a turnovers and punts.  

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

11.8 percent? Or attempts total? And as compared...to the rest of the league as opposed to when we actually should go for it?
 

come on what does this measure, anyone plz

 

Attempts total.  I'm not sure how there is a decimal either.  But if you divide the actual attempts, but the "expected" you would get the index which is designed to measure how much more often he went for it, than was expected to.  

[HOUSE]

Sean McVay is a Psycho, I expect to see him on the news wearing a chicken head

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

right

 

i think it's of dubious value is the overall point no offense to OP...i mean it's interesting but less useful unless the standard is the correct decision as opposed to the popular one

 

zero credit to @MJS for turning tail

Sorry, I am not here waiting expectantly for you to respond to my posts. The tweet is super simple and I don't believe you when you say you don't know what it means.

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

Brian Daboll out there calling plays like he still has Josh Allen

 

 

I know you said this a bit in jest but JA#17 plus the emergence of the offensive line under Kromer make a big difference in the equation.  I really think it is more about the o-line play.  

[Low Positive]

This is at least partly due to the success of the "snowplow." The Bills are like the Eagles in that every drive starts at 1st and 9 because 3rd and 1 is an almost automatic conversion. 

[Dan]

51 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

It was a game flow thing though.  Up two, you want to be up more than 3 so you don't lose on a FG.  You also force them to go for 2 if they score a TD when they are down 5.  If they score and don't get the 2... then you are down 1 and can win on a FG.  

 

Now up 5 with 3:30 ... if they were closer i think they just sneak it (i think they also sneak it if they run into a 3rd and goal from the 2 again).  But going up 8 under 4 minutes forces them to score a TD and 2 point conversion.  The only result that you can lose on is if they don't get the 2, and get the onside kick.  

 

If harbaugh's aggressive move to go for 2 in the 3rd quarter works, i think they try and get the TD to try and put it away.  But 8 points with 330 is a very advantageous position. They can't really play this out to not give Allen the ball with time because they need the TD.  

Completely agree with all of this.

 

Also, no one has really mentioned the decision to go for it on 4th down in the first drive of the game.   Bills got stopped and there was zero hesitation. They lined up and Josh picked up the 1st down and kept the drive going till we scored.   Thats a ballsy play on the first drive of the game!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The 2nd half of last weeks game disagrees. 

I still don’t really see this after going through the game again.  Lots of execution issues in the second half…the offense didn’t really fundamentally change between halves at all though to my eye 

 

there were only 4 total offensive drives outside of the game sealer, one was killed by a missed connection to Kincaid, one was killed by Josh probably reading the defense right but having false confidence in Knox to pick up that first on the TE screen audible, one was killed by what looked to me to be a pretty big hold of Shakir although maybe it’s uncatchable, the goal line sequence is certainly questionable but we valued taking that 8 point lead.  I don’t think we ever doubled up on runs on any series of downs..  

 

looked like Baltimore committed more resources to slowing down the run as their second half adjustment which probably should’ve made throwing easier we just weren’t connecting.  Some of it was your classic playoff grabby defense which maybe we benefited from a bit too 

Edited 13 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

33 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This is at least partly due to the success of the "snowplow." The Bills are like the Eagles in that every drive starts at 1st and 9 because 3rd and 1 is an almost automatic conversion. 

 

That's definitely part of it. Also worth mentioning that McD had no faith in Bass to make kicks

[T.E.]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I agree with both replies thus far.

Still, sadly, I fear the "McDermott is too conservative" nonsense will stick around for years to come, even though it's been proven again and again to be outdated nonsense.

He treats the playoffs differently from the regular season in this regard. I mean, he was clearly terrified of letting the best QB in the league throw the football during the entire second half two days ago.

Edited 12 hours ago by T.E.

[T.E.]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I also think that McD is a relatively slow processor which contributed to the issue.

If someone is making $8MM a year to coach football, he shouldn't need to burn valuable timeouts because he can't think two plays ahead, which is exactly what happened on the Bills last scoring drive pn Sunday. 

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The 2nd half of last weeks game disagrees. 

Context and game flow matters.  All the time or never is incredibly stupid.  Kick the Fg to go up 8 won the game.  Second half punts.  Make the team who has been turning the ball over go the long way to score.  Gotta luck at what happens if you don't make it.  Think Mcdermott coached his best game.  End of game, end of half.  Go or no go calls.