Young Men Struggling

[Another Fan]

I mostly lurk in this section and someone mentioned this in a thread here once I believe.  
 

Anyway it’s been shown young guys aren’t doing well so to speak

 

https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/390781/masculinity-scott-galloway-young-men-struggling
 

What are your thoughts?

 

I think it’s a mix of younger guys not wanting to help themselves and what’s being taught to them in the school systems these days.  

[JDHillFan]

54 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

I mostly lurk in this section and someone mentioned this in a thread here once I believe.  
 

Anyway it’s been shown young guys aren’t doing well so to speak

 

https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/390781/masculinity-scott-galloway-young-men-struggling
 

What are your thoughts?

 

I think it’s a mix of younger guys not wanting to help themselves and what’s being taught to them in the school systems these days.  

I don’t think that young men in general are beaten with a sledgehammer but the “death by 1000 cuts” bit seems like a factor. From tv shows and commercials showing men to be the dunce 100% of the time, to the coining of the phrase “toxic masculinity”, to elimination of things like boys-only scouting, to a company like Gillette, a company dependent on men as customers, telling men that they have to do better there’s a lot of negative messaging. 
 

When you get a look at some of the downright bizarre stuff showing up in elementary schools, it’s impossible to argue your point about school systems. 

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

I mostly lurk in this section and someone mentioned this in a thread here once I believe.  
 

Anyway it’s been shown young guys aren’t doing well so to speak

 

https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/390781/masculinity-scott-galloway-young-men-struggling
 

What are your thoughts?

 

I think it’s a mix of younger guys not wanting to help themselves and what’s being taught to them in the school systems these days.  

 

 

Hard to say the precise reasons behind the theme but the data is telling.  

[The Frankish Reich]

Video game addiction. Seriously, that's my #1 reason for why boys are falling behind.

[Motorin']

Does this count? 

 

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Video game addiction. Seriously, that's my #1 reason for why boys are falling behind.

This is absolutely nonsense.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

I mostly lurk in this section and someone mentioned this in a thread here once I believe.  
 

Anyway it’s been shown young guys aren’t doing well so to speak

 

https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/390781/masculinity-scott-galloway-young-men-struggling
 

What are your thoughts?

 

I think it’s a mix of younger guys not wanting to help themselves and what’s being taught to them in the school systems these days.  

I think when you look at the big picture, young men are being relegated to second class citizenship.  Issues like 'toxic masculinity', societal trends toward demonizing males and empowering females, and the overall addiction to victimization all contribute to the challenge.  I do agree with @The Frankish Reich that video games are purposely addictive and contributing to the problem. 

 

To clarify, btw, I have a daughter and fully support empowerment and educational initiatives for women.  My main goal in life as a father was to let her know that women face challenges that men do not, but that her success was not predicated on demonizing all men.  Some men, most definitely.  

 

Nice to have you here. 

[The Frankish Reich]

What I saw as a dad of kids moving through middle school and teenage years: girls become addicted to social media; boys become addicted to the video game world. Of course, not all of them. But way too many. Mostly it's self-regulating - they manage to integrate social media/gaming into their lives in a way that is not damaging to their prospects. Girls seem to do better at this than boys. I don't know why, but researchers seem to think it is because social media (unlike gaming) tends to be centered around their social circles in high school rather than as a solitary activity or one that involves a network of distant gaming "friends."

[The Frankish Reich]

And about girls vs. boys: the work Jonathan Haidt has done about the damaging effects of social media on middle school age girls is pretty compelling. It's not a stretch to say that social media is a cause of depression/anxiety (even suicide) in girls, although somehow it doesn't impact career prospects as much as "new media" (including gaming) does for boys.

Neither one is a good thing.

[Another Fan]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Video game addiction. Seriously, that's my #1 reason for why boys are falling behind.

I was a kid of the 90s and video game systems then were popular with boys as well then.  I still remember in middle school 3 kids that would wear Nintendo 64 shirts too school even then.  

At the same time though I realize in today’s world especially post Covid this stuff can be exacerbated with kids today.

 

I see these issues boys are having going beyond video game addiction.  But I definitely agree it doesn’t help.  

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

Teenage males are being pumped with social media algorithms that push Andrew Tate and the like on them as the ideal male form.

[thenorthremembers]

This is what happens when you make a mockery of the family and a father's role in the family.   Rise in fatherless homes and a father's interest in raising their children.   

 

Add to that the prolonged adolescence of both women and men in their 30 and 40s and you have an absolute recipe for disaster.

 

People pop out kids and rather than taking an interest in them they go on a path to "find themselves" because their marriage and kids destroyed their "identities."

 

We live in the most self centered society in history and our kids are paying for it dearly.

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

16 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Teenage males are being pumped with social media algorithms that push Andrew Tate and the like on them as the ideal male form.

Maybe because men being told not to be men is the problem not tate. Holy *****.