Run the Tush Push everytime

[london_bills]

3 hours ago, Success said:

I thought there would be more talk about the spot of the ball on that 3rd down & goal at the end. I thought it should have been on the 1 - and they spotted it on the 2.

 

Made a huge difference. If it's on the 1, it's almost certainly a TD, and no one is talking about dropped 2-point conversions today.

 

True, but if it's never been stopped why not run it twice?

[notpolian]

I have no problem with the kick on 4th down in that circumstance.  I do have a problem with the 3rd down play call.  If you are going to run it with no pass option, just do the sneak.  You probably gain some distance, might score, worst case you just kick on 4th down as you did.  Run from the gun gives too much opportunity/time for penetration.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

My head explodes when it's 2nd & 1, 3rd & 1, or 4th & 1 and the Bills don't do the Tush Push.  It's darn near automatic and they usually end up getting 2 or 3 yards on the play.  That 4th quarter drive last night where they kicked the late field goal to go up 8 is a great example.  They should have Tush Pushed and they probably are in the end zone and could have saved me the end-of-game angina.

 

Don't get cute... Just run the Tush Push for the love of Almighty God!!!

 

 

Same.  I don’t want to do it on 2nd and 1 though.  I’d rather take a shot at a chunk play and then tush push on 3rd and 4th

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

In 1 yard situations, yes. Every time. But the frustrating thing is a lot of these situations we find ourselves in are 2 or 2 plus.

 

3rd and Goal from just beyond the 2 is not a given we're going to get enough push. Especially at the Goal Line and with that defensive front. In hindsight do I wish we would have tried that instead of what we ran? Sure. But that's just bc we know how it went with the play they chose.

 

But honestly, from the spot we were at (which was a rough spot btw) - I wouldn't have called a tush push either. Though I wouldn't have called the play we went with either. I'd have went with an under center handoff with Ray Davis.

 

And if we did go for a Tush Push on 3rd and didn't get in - I'd still have Kicked the FG rather than going for it on 4th anyways. This was the most situational of Situational Football.. situations. Is it possible we got it on 4th and the game was over right there? Sure.

 

You know what else could have happened? We could have been stopped again. And if that happened - we lose the game. Plain and simple. Simply not worth the risk.

 

That's why you do it on 3rd down and assess.  On the first tush push in the 1st QTR, it was from the 1.5 yard line and Allen was pushed about four yards into the endzone.  

[london_bills]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

That's why you do it on 3rd down and assess.  On the first tush push in the 1st QTR, it was from the 1.5 yard line and Allen was pushed about four yards into the endzone.  

It really is strange why they didnt do it there on 3rd down 

[Turk71]

When they do use that play, I don't understand why they don't have 2 300lb guys behind Josh doing the push.  If the other team knows what you're about to do why not bring in the heavyweights to do the pushing?

[Jerome007]

I love Josh doing it but other teams have started using TEs and other players for it. They don't have to risk Josh every time!

 

There's been some trick plays too. Maybe not a 4th down but on 2nd and 1, why not. And Josh could take the ball and run off tackle. He's  done that before in obvious "QB sneak" plays.

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by Jerome007

[DaggersEOD]

The issue I had with the shotgun is that there was no way Josh was handing it off. He knew it. The D knew it. So they keyed on him. 

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, skibum said:

Also, didn't Josh get banged up right before that? I thought that they might have been protecting him at the time. 

 

Nah. Brady said today that he wishes he had this play back.

[Augie]

…..unless Josh gets his “bell rung”, a/k/a ends our season. 

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

It's been noticeable since late in the season the refs are spotting the ball about half yard back from where it appears they should.  For both teams.  I thought maybe my eyes are going bad.  I know it gets placed where the ball is when the knee is down, 

I have seen so many egregiously bad spot this year it’s been mind numbing.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, K-9 said:

Personally, I’d like to see us do a 99 yard drive with nothing but tush pushes all the way down the field. 

Keep that in the pocket until 4th quarter of a tight SB matchup with the Eagles.  Then do it over and over until we cross the goalline at the buzzer.  The NFL and national media will frown upon it.  We accept the Lombardi, every Bills player retires, the Bills franchise retires, and Josh drops the mic during his Super Bowl MVP acceptance speech.

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, wnyguy said:

Agree. I thought it was a bad spot.

Every spot is bad. These guys literally guess most of the time on spots. If you slow it down,  the ball was on the 1 when Josh's knee first hits the ground. 

[Rochesterfan]

13 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

My head explodes when it's 2nd & 1, 3rd & 1, or 4th & 1 and the Bills don't do the Tush Push.  It's darn near automatic and they usually end up getting 2 or 3 yards on the play.  That 4th quarter drive last night where they kicked the late field goal to go up 8 is a great example.  They should have Tush Pushed and they probably are in the end zone and could have saved me the end-of-game angina.

 

Don't get cute... Just run the Tush Push for the love of Almighty God!!!

 

 

 

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

In 1 yard situations, yes. Every time. But the frustrating thing is a lot of these situations we find ourselves in are 2 or 2 plus.

 

3rd and Goal from just beyond the 2 is not a given we're going to get enough push. Especially at the Goal Line and with that defensive front. In hindsight do I wish we would have tried that instead of what we ran? Sure. But that's just bc we know how it went with the play they chose.

 

But honestly, from the spot we were at (which was a rough spot btw) - I wouldn't have called a tush push either. Though I wouldn't have called the play we went with either. I'd have went with an under center handoff with Ray Davis.

 

And if we did go for a Tush Push on 3rd and didn't get in - I'd still have Kicked the FG rather than going for it on 4th anyways. This was the most situational of Situational Football.. situations. Is it possible we got it on 4th and the game was over right there? Sure.

 

You know what else could have happened? We could have been stopped again. And if that happened - we lose the game. Plain and simple. Simply not worth the risk.

 

The reason I believe for not running it - is what @BillsFanForever19 says for the most part.  
 

The QB sneak works best when the Bills immediately run up to the line and can run it without the other team putting their big package in.  The Bills did that in the Ravens game and got the yardage.  It is less effective when the opponent can bring in extra guys to fill all of the gaps.

 

2nd I think they had decided that the FG was more important than going for a 4th down and risking losing the game with no chance - so they had 1 play from the 2 yard line with Baltimore able to bring in all of their d-line.  
 

Everything changes if the Bills were up by 8 or less than 4 - then I think McD says we have 2 plays for the TD, but up by 5, 6, or even 7 - the FG to ensure you get another chance on offense was the right call - so you need over 2 yards on 1 play.  I don’t know that is the play I want, but it was not the QB sneak from that spot against that Defense.

[Rochesterfan]

10 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

 

my understanding is that you can challenge the spot, but you will technically lose because it's not a TD or 1st. They will still fix the spot, but you'll lose your TO. I went back and watched on tv, and I don't think the spot was as bad as most of us thought last night. 

 

Though I won't commit to that position without seeing video on my computer where I can more effectively slow it down and freeze frame. 

Agreed and 99% of the time even if it looks to be slightly farther - they don’t change the spot.

 

The Bills have a former Ref making the calls from above - so I doubt it was much of anything.  I would love to see some replays because I thought he was a bit closer, but man - the Refs really do a pretty good job catching it live when we think he is still up.

Edited 17 hours ago by Rochesterfan

[bmur66]

I am going to start blocking anyone the says "tush push". This is Buffalo. It is called the Shnow plow unless you are one of those.

[BearNorth]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

We got two bad spots. At the 2 instead of the 1 and then they marked Josh back another half yard after the 3rd down stop. 

 

Yeah Beane or who ever handles the ref complaints probably has already sent tape to the league office.  Not sure what good it will do.  Multi billion dollar business and they still can't get basic stuff accurate.  Imagine if the guy building your house was 18 inches off on all his measurements.

[HOUSE]

It's the Tush Plow

Geeez, I have to fix everything around here

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

14 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

It's been noticeable since late in the season the refs are spotting the ball about half yard back from where it appears they should.  For both teams.  I thought maybe my eyes are going bad.  I know it gets placed where the ball is when the knee is down, 

I’ve noticed this too. The Bills usually end up getting the first so not much attention is paid to it, but they seem to routinely get shorted a 1/2 to 1 full yard on a lot of plays. And challenging the spot of the ball seems to never work either. 

[colin]

30 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

It's the Tush Plow

Geeez, I have to fix everything around here

 

i knew a GI in 'Nam who went AWOL and was found in Cambodia.  The locals called him the Tush Plow.  It was an ugly scene, I suggest you use a different name.