Does Mahomes really get preferential treatment from officials?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

The star that is getting the calls is Taylor Swift.

Do people really believe our QB doesn’t flop and get calls?

 

I don’t criticize Allen for it because if a player is dumb enough to try and get an extra hit on Allen then they deserve a flag.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, beebe said:

among active QBs, josh allen draws the most roughing the passer penalties in the NFL on a per-game basis with 38 in 122 games (0.31 per game). allen drew 11 roughing the passer penalties in the 2020 season. i believe that is a modern NFL record (no other QB has drawn more than 8 in a year in data that goes back the last 15 years.) 

 

allen had seven roughing calls last year and five more this year. 

 

mahomes has had 31 career roughing the passer penalties, or 0.23 per game, which ranks him ninth among active QBs. but mahomes also throws far more than the league average and has attempted more passes than his peers who entered the league at roughly the same time. for example, mahomes has attempted ~800 more passes than allen since entering the league and has played nine more games (includes playoffs). given that, you'd expect mahomes to have more - not less.

 

if you break it down by dropbacks, it looks like this:

 

allen: 0.93 per 100 (3rd most penalties drawn)

mahomes: 0.64 per 100 (20th most)

 

among the 31 roughing the passer penalties for mahomes, eight of them have come in playoff games or super bowls. someone with more time than me can go through the eight plays and determine if they are legit or not - or the timing - or how much they mattered. 

 

i don't think the chiefs get preferential treatment from refs. the numbers actually suggest the opposite (not just mahomes, but the chiefs in general.) the common counter argument is that "it's not how many penalties, it's when." i read a recent analysis that suggested the chiefs are not major beneficiaries in one-score games in 2nd halves either. 

 

the fans of 31 teams who call the refs biased for the chiefs likely have a bias against the chiefs themselves. they're sick of the chiefs. they actively root against the chiefs. and nobody plays in primetime or on national tv more than the chiefs. "calling out the chiefs" has become an easy way for media members to get attention and claiming the refs don't have bias but are equally bad for all teams is the surest way to be hated and called a clown. 

 

no other team in the league has fans that all come together to create frame-by-frame replays, zoomed-in images and super slow motion videos quite like the chiefs. because of this, the chiefs flags draw outsized attention/coverage/reaction. people simply don't care if there's a bad call in a panthers or colts game. interestingly, america defended the chiefs in the 2018 afc championship game when two and possibly three rotten calls went against them to help the patriots win the game. but at that point in time, america loved mahomes and the chiefs and were alleging that the patriots got all the calls and that the nfl was cheating for them. 

 

next time you watch a bills game and see a bad call - whether it be the atrocious call against dawkins or the questionable pass interference penalty that benefited coleman in the ravens game - just ask yourself: "what if this was the chiefs?" 

 

because those calls, while they got some attention, generated very little media coverage broadly.

 

and the PI flag, whether it was right or wrong, was probably the biggest call of the game in terms of win expectancy. 

Great analysis but how many times has Jamaal Taylor been lined up behind the line of scrimmage or rocked back before the snap, taken a few snaps and not been flagged? I mean I know he's the most flagged player in the league the last few seasons but truth is he doing far more than he getting flagged for. 

Edited 15 hours ago by The Jokeman

[Bill from NYC]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Do people really believe our QB doesn’t flop and get calls?

 

I don’t criticize Allen for it because if a player is dumb enough to try and get an extra hit on Allen then they deserve a flag.

It isn't just the Mahomes getting the calls, it is the KC Chiefs. Did you see the call against Dawkins? It could not have been more obvious that it was a crooked call. Why is this happening?

 

Taylor Swift is bringing in untold advertising money, as well as viewers. The woman is a world wide phenom, a 2025 answer to the 1965 Beatles. The NFL is cashing in on it, thus the favorable calls. 

 

That said, the above is getting to be a popular opinion, or so I think. I don't think that they can keep favoring the Chiefs without losing a ton of integrity and fans getting dusgusted. This is why I think that the Bills are going to soundly defeat the Chiefs on Sunday. We are better than they are and the refs won't hold us back. At least I hope not. 

 

As always, the above is merely my opinion. I am not asking anyone to agree with me.

 

ONTO THE SUPER BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrEpsYtown]

The roughing the passer stuff is annoying, but on some level I get it. The last second slide, or slowing up on the sideline is just very bush league and childish. So it's annoying to watch refs fall for that garbage. 

 

The problem is the offensive holding and defensive holding that the Chiefs constantly get away with. It changes games. The offensive holding thy got away with last playoffs was awful and egregious. 

 

It seems that every third-down incomplete pass from Mahomes is accompanied by a late flag for some BS holding. 

 

The football Gods need to take their penance. Chiefs need to suffer. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

It isn't just the Mahomes getting the calls, it is the KC Chiefs. Did you see the call against Dawkins? It could not have been more obvious that it was a crooked call. Why is this happening?

 

Taylor Swift is bringing in untold advertising money, as well as viewers. The woman is a world wide phenom, a 2025 answer to the 1965 Beatles. The NFL is cashing in on it, thus the favorable calls. 

 

That said, the above is getting to be a popular opinion, or so I think. I don't think that they can keep favoring the Chiefs without losing a ton of integrity and fans getting dusgusted. This is why I think that the Bills are going to soundly defeat the Chiefs on Sunday. We are better than they are and the refs won't hold us back. At least I hope not. 

 

As always, the above is merely my opinion. I am not asking anyone to agree with me.

 

ONTO THE SUPER BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chiefs definitely get calls but I think it’s more of a winning thing. Patriots were also hated for getting calls. There’s many fan bases that think Josh Allen gets calls. 
 

 

[JP51]

22 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

You think his wife is that rough with him?

only if he asks nicely... LOL 

[PromoTheRobot]

He does, but so does Josh. It's an unwritten rule of the NFL: elite QBs get the calls.

24 minutes ago, JP51 said:

only if he asks nicely... LOL 

And only on his brithday.

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

He does, but so does Josh. It's an unwritten rule of the NFL: elite QBs get the calls.

And only on his brithday.

Totally forgot about that part... I need to be better and more concise... LOL  I appreciate you saving me here! 🤣

[zow2]

I think Mahomes has gotten his calls, but in general, especially the playoffs I feel like the home team is gifted some calls, or beneficial non-calls.  

 

We only had 1 penalty on Sunday, and it was a bad call.  anyone think the Bills had no other infractions in that game?  I saw a couple that were let go.

 

I'm hoping that's the case in KC.  I feel like in our game there was a correction of sorts and the refs let them play more.  

Edited 14 hours ago by zow2

[JESSEFEFFER]

Josh takes a borderline hit and embellishes its effect on him so that the referee will feel the pressure to drop the flag.  He will also hold the ball to the last possible moment where the hit is immanent but he can still release the ball cleanly, thus creating a  borderline hit.  Very rare for Josh to take a hit that he did not see coming but he chooses not to avoid many of them at the cost of missing the play.   Mastering QB time and space.

[Philly McButterpants]

FWIW, Chiefs Planet is all up in arms that Blakeman is the ref on Sunday. 

 

Also, does anyone remember "Hot Dog Stand" from Windows 3.1? 

Edited 14 hours ago by Philly McButterpants

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, Philly McButterpants said:

FWIW, Chiefs Planet is all up in arms that Blakeman is the ref on Sunday. 

"Wait what the game might be called fairly?"

The fact they are crying about it probably tells you they also recognize the favoritism. 

[Drew21PA]

We got clete this weekend 

[Solomon Grundy]

On 1/20/2025 at 12:33 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Listen, he’s Patrick Mahomes. He should get calls. Our guy is a flopper because he knows it works, he should also get calls.

 

Stars get calls.

Nobody's a bigger FLOPPER than Mahomes. Saturday's game was perfect proof 

[beebe]

the refs have zero incentive - none - to intentionally get calls wrong. they are graded after every game internally, and fans and media grade them publicly. being wrong leads to less opportunity to call playoff games and super bowls. 

 

do people actually think the nfl is going to tell clete blakeman and his crew to cheat for the chiefs? for what purpose? so they can cultivate more swiftie viewers in the short term while jeopardizing the long term? (ie scandal, lack of trust, gambling ramifications etc.) this would be literal criminal behavior if such a thing took place. it would be game fixing directed by the league to be carried out by the people charged with maintaining fair play. 

 

officiating is incredibly hard. there’s a subset of national tv games every year that have so many 50/50 bang-bang subjective/judgment calls that it’s almost comical. like, the refs are wrong no matter what they call. the broadcasters think A, the rules experts think B, and the fans are going to think whatever benefits their team, goes against the team they hate or whatever helps their bets. most people who opine about the rules don’t even know the rulebook themselves (i have watched 1000+ games and i don’t know all the rules myself.)

 

bitching about refs has gone too far. it’s too frequently the story because slow motion replay, freeze frames and instant reaction social media takes - often by the most conspiratorial morons on earth - makes it the story. 

 

once you accept that missed calls are inevitable and random, you will enjoy watching sports more. 

[TwoFlocksofFury]

On 1/20/2025 at 11:04 AM, billsfan714 said:

They're talking about this on first take a few minutes ago, the consensus from the panel---yes he does.   And they mentioned Brady got the same treatment.   Also the NFL was wrong to say refs calls were right.  Your eyes aren't lying to you.

Brady, Jordan, LeBron, Patrick...

[stlbills13]

I would say the question is more about the Chiefs as a whole than Mahomes..

 

And the answer is "no but yes"

[DJB]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The roughing the passer stuff is annoying, but on some level I get it. The last second slide, or slowing up on the sideline is just very bush league and childish. So it's annoying to watch refs fall for that garbage. 

 

The problem is the offensive holding and defensive holding that the Chiefs constantly get away with. It changes games. The offensive holding thy got away with last playoffs was awful and egregious. 

 

It seems that every third-down incomplete pass from Mahomes is accompanied by a late flag for some BS holding. 

 

The football Gods need to take their penance. Chiefs need to suffer. 

And the false starts by Taylor that never get called 

[beebe]

7 minutes ago, DJB said:

And the false starts by Taylor that never get called 

 

He is the most penalized player in the entire NFL the last two years. Do the refs miss some? Of course. 

[Don Otreply]

“Just give it to them” 

 

Remember that during the Brady era? 

 

So very likely, yes he does,