Dalton Kincaid- why so underwhelming this season?

[Aussie Joe]

He played well the back half of his rookie season …

 

I don’t know what happened this year …but he has been the biggest disappointment of the season … 

[YodaMan79]

Sure handed?

1 minute ago, Pete said:

He had drops all 3 playoff games.  He is no David Tyree

Also, that "catch" against Denver would have been overturned if they got a challenge in on time.

 

"Usually sure handed" isn't how I'd describe him.   

[Pete]

Just now, YodaMan79 said:

Sure handed?

Also, that "catch" against Denver would have been overturned if they got a challenge in on time.

 

"Usually sure handed" isn't how I'd describe him.   

I read one scouts take, in summation- “Dalton not only has best hands for tight ends,  he has best hands in class.  The best hands I’ve scouted the past two years”

 

in pros, often he fights the ball, and he’s been having regular drops.

 

that’s why I repeatedly post how perplexed Kincaid is to me.  It doesn’t add up.  Did he forget how to catch?

[zow2]

Kincaid needed to make that catch on a hero pass.  We so desperately needed one of the receivers to make a huge play and he failed. I blame him directly just like Ravens fans blamed Andrews last week.  Fail. 

[YodaMan79]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I read one scouts take, in summation- “Dalton not only has best hands for tight ends,  he has best hands in class.  The best hands I’ve scouted the past two years”

 

in pros, often he fights the ball, and he’s been having regular drops.

 

that’s why I repeatedly post how perplexed Kincaid is to me.  It doesn’t add up.  Did he forget how to catch?

 

See my earlier explanation and hypothesis on how he was able to ascend to a first round grade, in this thread.  He played the NFL/Bills.  Our organization unfortunately fell for it. 

 

Good for him and his agent. 

Edited Monday at 04:42 PM by YodaMan79

[JP51]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:10 AM, 947 said:

We only threw 22 times, and the Ravens flooded the middle of the field to take that away. I'd have liked to see Kincaid run some seams, but I think better days are ahead for him.

As did the Chiefs... no one is afraid of anyone deep in this offense... this is a problem. 

[Pete]

On 1/26/2025 at 1:59 PM, HappyDays said:

 

I have a different take on this play. First play on this clip:

 

I think Kincaid needs to flatten this route. Allen throws the ball after Kincaid makes his cut and is seemingly going to finish his route on the 39. Instead he drifts upfield and ends at the 41. This makes it impossible for Allen to know where he's going.

 

If you watch it in slow motion you can see him appear to be flattening his route but suddenly he starts drifting upfield as soon as the ball leaves Allen's hands. This creates an awkward catch attempt where he slips trying to come back to where the ball was delivered. Not an awful throw, not an awful drop. Bad leverage caused by a lack of attention to detail. This is what I've seen from Kincaid too frequently this year and it's a big reason why he has a low catch percentage.

 

HappyDays- I’m guessing KC was playing zone, and Kincaid should have stopped in soft spot of zone, instead Dalton keeps running towards Chiefs.  My conjecture is Josh threw the ball where Dalton was supposed to be.  What do you think?

 

 

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

HappyDays- I’m guessing KC was playing zone, and Kincaid should have stopped in soft spot of zone, instead Dalton keeps running towards Chiefs.  My conjecture is Josh threw the ball where Dalton was supposed to be.  What do you think?

 

 

After watching that I'm actually impressed Kincaid was able to stop on a dime and put himself in position to make the sliding catch.  However, he needs to make that catch.

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, Pete said:

HappyDays- I’m guessing KC was playing zone, and Kincaid should have stopped in soft spot of zone, instead Dalton keeps running towards Chiefs.  My conjecture is Josh threw the ball where Dalton was supposed to be.  What do you think?

 

 

 

Yeah it's like I said earlier, that play encapsulates everything about his underwhelming play this year - poor understanding of zone spacing, poor body positioning, and finally a drop. He did everything wrong on this play.

 

It turns out there's a reason we didn't get him involved a lot this year and it isn't because Brady doesnt know how to use him or because Allen just happens to be randomly less accurate when throwing in his direction - he just flat out hasn't been good enough.

 

If I'm the Bills I'm walking into the offseason with the assumption that Kincaid and Coleman are both busts, and I'd make my draft and FA decisions accordingly. If one or both of them take a big step in their development, great that is found money. But I'd assume the worst and plan from there.

 

Edited Monday at 09:24 PM by HappyDays

[Buffalo4Life01]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

After watching that I'm actually impressed Kincaid was able to stop on a dime and put himself in position to make the sliding catch.  However, he needs to make that catch.

Appreciate your opinion of the play and mine is a little different.  I feel like Kincaid completely misjudged the ball in the air and overran it.  I love his potential and what we all hope he can be but he really did not have a good game.   

[YodaMan79]

Too soon on Coleman.  We can thank Poyer for ruining the second half of his season.  I think he had serious injury to both wrists.

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

Too soon on Coleman.  We can thank Poyer for ruining the second half of his season.  I think he had serious injury to both wrists.

 

I still don't get where Coleman fits in this offense the way Brady calls it and it seems like they don't know either.  We ran that fade to Coleman on the 3rd down before the 4th down TD to Samuel and my heart was in my throat.  Josh doesn't throw great fade jump balls and that was against McDuffie, who was is great position.

[Doc Brown]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Appreciate your opinion of the play and mine is a little different.  I feel like Kincaid completely misjudged the ball in the air and overran it.  I love his potential and what we all hope he can be but he really did not have a good game.   

I couldn't have stopped on a dime like that.  I pry would've fallen over and thinking I'm too old for this crap.

[Buffalo4Life01]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I couldn't have stopped on a dime like that.  I pry would've fallen over and thinking I'm too old for this crap.

haha nor could I!  But my point is this.  I believe Kincaid had to stop the way that he did and dive back for the ball because he totally misjudged the ball while it was in the air.  It was a huge overrun.  

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

haha nor could I!  But my point is this.  I believe Kincaid had to stop the way that he did and dive back for the ball because he totally misjudged the ball while it was in the air.  It was a huge overrun.  

Maybe I'm not dwelling on that play so much because of how underwhelming the majority of the team was yesterday.  Kincaid just happened to be the one that didn't step up on that play.

[HOUSE]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:28 AM, HOUSE said:

I suspect a season long injury,  stay tuned AFTER the Bills win the Superbowl 

This was a great observation but you are wrong about the Superbowl you dummy 

[Buffalo4Life01]

16 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Maybe I'm not dwelling on that play so much because of how underwhelming the majority of the team was yesterday.  Kincaid just happened to be the one that didn't step up on that play.

Kincaid had another drop on a contested ball where he had it in his hands and then there was contact made by the cb and he wasn't able to come down with it.  He unfortunately did not have a good game.