Dalton Kincaid- why so underwhelming this season?

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I will  never understand the mindset of most fans.

 

the constant complaining about Kincaid and Coleman is really absurd to me.

9 different players have led the game in receiving.  Kincaid has zero.  Why can't Buffalo get seperation?  Samuels, Cooper, and Kincaid are mysteries to me. 

[djp14150]

6 minutes ago, sunshynman said:

Sophomore slump.

He’s not 100% from injuries this year

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

In a game with 22 total pass attempts we don’t need a thread about every single player that didn’t have many targets.  It applies to everyone but Shakir.  This isn’t fantasy football.

[Boatdrinks]

41 minutes ago, Pete said:

Where are the mismatches?  Where are the big plays?  Why are you not clicking with Josh?  Is Brady to blame?  Opposing TEs continually find soft spots in our coverage, and catch large chunk plays, game after game.  Why can't Kincaid?

 

9 different Bills have had most receiving yards in a game.  Kincaid has 0.

 

We know Kincaid has mitts, and he looks smooth sometimes.  Hes got size, and some speed.  Knox is a much more complete TE, yet Kincaid still struggles

 

Will Kincaid make any big plays against KC?

 

I like Dalton, and I am rooting for him.  But Im perplexed why he is so underwhelming.

 

Thoughts?

 

GO BILLS!

I’d like more from Kincaid , but a lot of what we saw last night was rather game plan specific. The Ravens were a mismatch for the Bills - as everyone pointed out to us. The Bills staff designed a gameplan to win the game regardless. I don’t think the KC gameplan will look the same at all. 

[Pete]

14 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I will  never understand the mindset of most fans.

 

the constant complaining about Kincaid and Coleman is really absurd to me.

dont you notice that Bills WR cannot get separation?  Don't you expect more production from a first and second round pick?

Edited 6 hours ago by Pete

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

The bills heiarchy used to be:

 

Josh > Beane > McDermott 

 

But I'm now at :

 

Josh > McDermott > Beane

 

The talent on this team is lacking compared to other playoff teams (only 2 pro bowlers) but McDermott is getting the most out of them. 

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

dont you notice that Bills WR cannot get separation?  Don't you expect more production from a first and second round pick?

I hope the offense functions as a high performing unit.  They are built around the running game.  Kincaid and Coleman are a part of the running game.

 

the game plan was clearly not about attacking the ravens through the air.   Coleman drew a really important penalty that set up a td.

 

if all that is important to you in football is wr’s and tight end stats then you will never be happy.  Winning in the playoffs in the cold is about being physical and being smart.

 

and for the record no I am not worried about two young players and separation.  

[NewEra]

52 minutes ago, Pete said:

Where are the mismatches?  Where are the big plays?  Why are you not clicking with Josh?  Is Brady to blame?  Opposing TEs continually find soft spots in our coverage, and catch large chunk plays, game after game.  Why can't Kincaid?

 

9 different Bills have had most receiving yards in a game.  Kincaid has 0.

 

We know Kincaid has mitts, and he looks smooth sometimes.  Hes got size, and some speed.  Knox is a much more complete TE, yet Kincaid still struggles

 

Will Kincaid make any big plays against KC?

 

I like Dalton, and I am rooting for him.  But Im perplexed why he is so underwhelming.

 

Thoughts?

 

GO BILLS!

😢 I feel the same.  No words

[Process]

Kincaid is by far the biggest disappointment this season. Not saying it's all on him. Maybe it's some on Josh, maybe some on Brady. But for whatever reason the connection is not there. Not the guy we thought he was going to be. 

[Pete]

41 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

In a game with 22 total pass attempts we don’t need a thread about every single player that didn’t have many targets.  It applies to everyone but Shakir.  This isn’t fantasy football.

Im referring to Kincaids whole career.  First round picks should contribute more

[Kelly to Allen]

30 minutes ago, Process said:

Kincaid is by far the biggest disappointment this season. Not saying it's all on him. Maybe it's some on Josh, maybe some on Brady. But for whatever reason the connection is not there. Not the guy we thought he was going to be. 

 

Yup. Now don't get me wrong I fully believe in Kincaid as a talent and his skillset. But he's been inconsistent this year learning to deal with more attention and double teams. I thought he would dominate the ravens and he didn't. 

 

That bring said his talent and skills are undeniable and the offense generally speaking runs through Shakir and Kincaid 

[JMM]

I am disappointed in the lack of big plays by him this season.  I expected to see him get a bunch if deep seam routes, I don't know if it's him,  the scheme or what.  I saw a Stat that Knox at times is getting more snaps,  so that makes me think he's struggling. 

[McBean]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Where are the mismatches?  Where are the big plays?  Why are you not clicking with Josh?  Is Brady to blame?  Opposing TEs continually find soft spots in our coverage, and catch large chunk plays, game after game.  Why can't Kincaid?

 

9 different Bills have had most receiving yards in a game.  Kincaid has 0.

 

We know Kincaid has mitts, and he looks smooth sometimes.  Hes got size, and some speed.  Knox is a much more complete TE, yet Kincaid still struggles

 

Will Kincaid make any big plays against KC?

 

I like Dalton, and I am rooting for him.  But Im perplexed why he is so underwhelming.

 

Thoughts?

 

GO BILLS!

I told my buddies last night when he fell on that pass that he’s been a huge disappointment so far. No sugar coating it.

 

I’m not beating Beane up for the pick either. I loved it at the time and thought it was a grand slam selection.

 

goes to show you how much I know because he’s not lived up to his hype at all.

[Brand J]

It was curious for Beane to trade up in the first to take him when Allen had never shown a reliance on the TE. He’s being underutilized, either through scheme or Josh, but he’s also had a few drops, including that long one against DEN that was ruled a catch.

[gonzo1105]

You could literally say this for every Bills skill player this year with the exception of Shakir, Cook, and Johnson. Where was Amari Cooper, where was Keon Coleman, where was Mack Hollins,  Curtis Samuel etc etc etc. Allen is going to what’s available. They ran the ball a lot last night they take what the defense gives. They aren’t going to force it to anyone 

[Pete]

Just now, gonzo1105 said:

You could literally say this for every Bills skill player this year with the exception of Shakir, Cook, and Johnson. Where was Amari Cooper, where was Keon Coleman, where was Mack Hollins,  Curtis Samuel etc etc etc. Allen is going to what’s available. They ran the ball a lot last night they take what the defense gives. They aren’t going to force it to anyone 

Mack makes plays every game.  He is a special teams demon, punishing blocker, and leads the Bills in TD catches.   Keon couldn't separate in college, and he can't separate in the NFL.  Amari doesnt block, but has made huge catches that have contributed to Bills wins.

 

What has Kincaid done?

[T.E.]

They have no idea how to use him, nothing more than that. The HC wants a run-first offense and doesn't care about passing at all. Remember, this is the same guy who watched a QB competition between Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman and picked Peterman as the winner.

[Bangarang]

I think part of it is Brady's design of the offense and his route combinations. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

59 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

In a game with 22 total pass attempts we don’t need a thread about every single player that didn’t have many targets.  It applies to everyone but Shakir.  This isn’t fantasy football.

Respectfully disagree. 
 

This is not about a single game, but the trend and his career progression after investing a large asset into him.
 

Discussing what went well and what can improve is exactly what we do here.  
 

IMO I’d rather roll with Knox at this point

[I'mBuff]

3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

You could literally say this for every Bills skill player this year with the exception of Shakir, Cook, and Johnson. Where was Amari Cooper, where was Keon Coleman, where was Mack Hollins,  Curtis Samuel etc etc etc. Allen is going to what’s available. They ran the ball a lot last night they take what the defense gives. They aren’t going to force it to anyone 

That is a reflection of Brady and his play calling and design. Not being able to get Cooper involved is telling. MVS scoring multiple td’s for New Orleans ridiculous that he barely saw the field and had only a couple catches. Yes we are winning, but something is wrong here.