Dalton Kincaid- why so underwhelming this season?

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, muppy said:

only at TBD are fans moping about what a disappointment our starting g TE is, comparing he to other players. why Why WHY s he such a disappointment.

 

on the cusp of the AFC championship

 

@-@ it's a free chat. The "like" in this thread is daunting I tell you. Let’s drag him some more . PFFT

Weaklink

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Was he healthy last week?  What’s his excuse for choking in a playoff game?

Andrews choked. Wrong team and wrong TE. 😂😂😂

[Pete]

18 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Sure about that? Sure he doesn’t draw coverage to him. Sure he’s not run blocking for Cook, Ty and Davis? Sure he’s not setting “picks” on certain routes to free other players?  You sound like a stat checker. I really doubt you look at things like this. Why? Maybe cuz you tried saying we have 2 first round picks on offense. Sure about that? 
Hint: Cooper. 

Cooper barely sees the field.  Josh and Dalton are the two first rounders.  Hollins and Coleman block-  Kincaid doesn’t.  I watch tape, and as it has been discussed, Dalton often miss runs the route- often going too deep, or not breaking sharp enough.  4 drops and 44 catches is horrible

17 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Andrews choked. Wrong team and wrong TE. 😂😂😂

You showed me my wrong ways.  One drop, and one catch for 11 yards is perfectly acceptable for playoff TE

Edited yesterday at 01:21 PM by Pete

[Dopey]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You said the Bills were second in the playoffs in points. Dalton is averaging 29 YPG in the playoffs. I am not the biggest Kincaid fan but I think we can do better, and I bet Beane agrees.

 

To my eye, as good as Brady has been and as much as it’s hard to find too many faults, I think the Kincaid/Shakir overlap as “slot” players has been too much to figure out for him. They basically have the same role which makes it pretty difficult to scheme around imo. And with our emphasis on running the football and needing an inline TE in which Knox is better suited for, it’s going limit Kincaid a bit. 
 

Where Kincaid would thrive is a more spread offense with Cooper/Coleman on the boundary and both Kincaid and Shakir lined up off the line. Bills don’t wanna seem to do that too much. 

My point was who gives a 💩? He can catch 1 pass every playoff game for negative yardage, all the way to a SB win for all I care. We won’t throw to him just to get first round pick numbers. For that Brady should be commended. Back to my point: Who gives a damn. We’re scoring AND winning. Oh, TBD (Toxic Bills Drive) does. We really don’t need a whipping boy every year, do we?

[FireChans]

Just now, Dopey said:

My point was who gives a 💩? He can catch 1 pass every playoff game for negative yardage, all the way to a SB win for all I care. We won’t throw to him just to get first round pick numbers. For that Brady should be commended. Back to my point: Who gives a damn. We’re scoring AND winning. Oh, TBD (Toxic Bills Drive) does. We really don’t need a whipping boy every year, do we?

If we win the SB, there will be no reason to complain about Kincaid’s production. Who cares will be exactly right.

 

Lets get through the AFCCG first before we drop the “who cares?”

[Dopey]

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

Cooper barely sees the field.  Josh and Dalton are the two first rounders.  Hollins and Coleman block-  Kincaid doesn’t.  I watch tape, and as it has been discussed, Dalton often miss runs the route- often going too deep, or not breaking sharp enough.  4 drops and 57 catches is horrible

You showed me my wrong ways.  One drop, and one catch for 11 yards is perfectly acceptable for playoff TE

So you know the plays called AND where he’s supposed to run in a route AND how deep? Come on now! Stop it. Just stop. I find this hard to believe.
Plus, you’re missing my point. We don’t need him to blow up. Why? we have a TEAM of ballers, not just a first round pick at TE. To the 2nd bold, if we win, hell yes, it’s perfectly acceptable. I’m sure he’s worried he let you down. So, yes, I showed you your wrong ways. You just don’t get it. 

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, Pete said:

Cooper barely sees the field.  Josh and Dalton are the two first rounders.  Hollins and Coleman block-  Kincaid doesn’t.  I watch tape, and as it has been discussed, Dalton often miss runs the route- often going too deep, or not breaking sharp enough.  4 drops and 57 catches is horrible

You showed me my wrong ways.  One drop, and one catch for 11 yards is perfectly acceptable for playoff TE

I think you’re starting to go overboard.  dalton blocks. He’s not great- but he often effective enough to give the ball carrier room.  
 

I think you started this with a clear head but have started to see red and ramble

Edited yesterday at 01:25 PM by NewEra

[Dopey]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If we win the SB, there will be no reason to complain about Kincaid’s production. Who cares will be exactly right.

 

Let’s get through the AFCCG first before we drop the “who cares?”

Should we wait before bitching about Dalton, then? Makes sense, no?

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think you’re starting to go overboard.  dalton blocks. He’s not great- but he often effective enough to give the ball carrier room.  
 

I think you started this with a clear head but have started to see red and ramble

, Kincaid had the 112th-best run-blocking grade among tight ends with at least 100 blocking snaps, according to PFF. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

Should we wait before bitching about Dalton, then? Makes sense, no?

No. Because a lack of production out of Dalton may be a reason we don’t win a Super Bowl.

 

whats not fair is to say “if we win the SB who cares?” Why not say that in September when players get hurt? “Who cares that Bernard and Taron Johnson are hurt, if we win the Super Bowl?” “Who cares if Milano misses most of the season if we win the Super Bowl!”

 

May as well shut down TBD.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Pete said:

, Kincaid had the 112th-best run-blocking grade among tight ends with at least 100 blocking snaps, according to PFF. 

That’s fine and dandy-  but he does block and he does block effectively sometimes.  You said he doesn’t block.  That’s going overboard. 
 

that’s not the only thing you’re going overboard about.
 

Calling him a “weak link” - he’s underperformed and is not what we expected-  I don’t see him as an “weak link”-  overboard.  

“Choking last week”- I didn’t hear anyone say Josh choked by throwing an off target pass-  yet Kincaid choked by not being able to real in an off target pass. overboard.  

I think the discussion about him being better than bowers and Laporta may have gotten your blood boiling and it’s still on the stove.  Or maybe you just think he’s that bad-  either way- I think you’re going overboard.  He’s a good player.  He’s not what we expected

[Pete]

Shakir has the shortest arms in the NFL, and Josh completed 27 consecutive passes to Shakir. 6’4  Kincaid has a 58% catch rate.  Does Josh only throw accurate passes to Shakir?  Does  Kincaid drop 42% of passes?  Or does Kincaid make catches difficult by not being in correct spot?  Or do you have another idea why the disconnect?  

Edited yesterday at 01:49 PM by Pete

[Dunkirk Donski]

To sum up this thread:  Mofos didn’t trade for Ertz.  

[without a drought]

 

I'm a little more concerned about having a QB who only passed for 127 yards in the biggest game or the year.

 

And don't get me started on Cooper, Miller, Milano, Oliver and all the other bums. 

 

So many weak links

 

Don't get mad because I like these players.

 

I can't believe they're in the AFC Championship Game today, they are more of a 9-8 team with all these holes.

 

Go Bills

 

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

He has loads of natural ability. And he showed that in his first season. That's what makes it so perplexing. There has clearly been a drop off this year. Some of it is on Brady I think, but Dalton has to cop his share of the criticism.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if he had a big one tomorrow. But it's not likely based on this year's form.

If he gets open and Josh sees it, then he will get more targets. 

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Pete, I’ve wondered aloud this same thing. Took a lot of heat for criticizing him in the offseason but I stand by it. He needed to get bigger and stronger. He didn’t. He needed to work on breaking easy tackles. Obviously he didn’t. He needed to get tougher to cover and fight for the football. He didn’t. What he does is enjoy himself playing halfazz football. He’s just OK but nowhere near the level of exceptional talent he was touted as when he was Drafted.

The surprising part is that he was known in College for breaking the tackles.  His highlights showed exactly that....

[Kelly to Allen]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

Was he healthy last week?  What’s his excuse for choking in a playoff game?

 

😆😆🤣🤣

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

You’re on an island all by yourself. 
 

but feel free to tell everyone you know how much better Kincaid is than Bowers and LaPorta.
 

 

 

No I'm not. Read the scouting reports. 

 

Bowers is the number one on a bad team. 

 

Again you're confusing volume numbers with skill level

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

Is there any Bills player you don’t think is the next HoFer? Is Hamlin the next Night Train? Shakir the next Andre Reed? Ed Oliver the next Aaron Donald? Greg Rousseau the next Lawrence Taylor?

 

I mean they have been a great team for 5 years....

 

Hyperbole aside

[Mr. WEO]

he's a short yardage receiver and played that role well last year.  struggling to make those catches this season, but who cares?  

 

Others stepping up.

13 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

😆😆🤣🤣

 

No I'm not. Read the scouting reports. 

 

Bowers is the number one on a bad team. 

 

Again you're confusing volume numbers with skill level

 

I mean they have been a great team for 5 years....

 

Hyperbole aside

 

Put Kincaid on that Raiders Offense and he doesn't get close to 1200 yards...

[VaMilBill]

2 hours ago, without a drought said:

 

I'm a little more concerned about having a QB who only passed for 127 yards in the biggest game or the year.

 

And don't get me started on Cooper, Miller, Milano, Oliver and all the other bums. 

 

So many weak links

 

Don't get mad because I like these players.

 

I can't believe they're in the AFC Championship Game today, they are more of a 9-8 team with all these holes.

 

Go Bills

 

I don’t know how you come up with the logic we are a 9-8 team when we won 13 games (probably could have been 14 if we actually tried against the Pats). Even against the Lions we were missing two starters in the secondary.  
 

Now I will agree with you we are not the most talented team in the league. Effective coaching certainly covers up blemishes. 

[FireChans]

32 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

😆😆🤣🤣

 

No I'm not. Read the scouting reports. 

 

Bowers is the number one on a bad team. 

 

Again you're confusing volume numbers with skill level

 

I mean they have been a great team for 5 years....

 

Hyperbole aside

They have been a great team because they have a great QB. That’s why lots of very good or good Pats players are not HoF bound. 

[Pete]

I’d love to see Kincaid make me eat my words today!

 

GO BILLS!