Dalton Kincaid- why so underwhelming this season?

[VW82]

Once we switched to Brady’s run heavy scheme, Kincaid’s fate was somewhat sealed imo. Knox is a better fit. 
 

Have to wonder if we wind up looking to trade Kincaid in the off season. 

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Once we switched to Brady’s run heavy scheme, Kincaid’s fate was somewhat sealed imo. Knox is a better fit. 
 

Have to wonder if we wind up looking to trade Kincaid in the off season. 

Not a bad thought. Trade him to Dallas.  Quintin Morris is a good back up.  Zack Davidson flashed. He is not the strongest blocker, but gives more than Kincaid.  Davidson could be a viable TE 3

Edited Saturday at 10:15 PM by Pete

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

If Kincaid was in a high volume passing offense than this would be laughed at. 

 

It's delusional to say otherwise. Having back to back 70 catch years as a te in a ball control offense vs constant double teams is elite. 

 

Again ppl are confusing stats for ability. And stats in the context of this offense 

 

 

 

 

Ok buddy.  You’re saying that Bowers and LaPorta aren’t even close to as good as Kincaid.  And I’m delusional-  

 

I think I’ve been the most outspoken Kincaid fanboy on this forums since we drafted him.  He’s very good.  He might be as good as those guys.  Saying that he’s better and it’s not even close is purely delusional.  I don’t think there’s a person on earth that would agree with that-  not even his mom

Edited Saturday at 10:44 PM by NewEra

[muppy]

ask Dallas how they feel about not being able to draft this guy. We swooped before them and got our guy and his name is Dalton Kincaid.

 

I see nothing but potential and a Great player. I like what Miyagi said about all guys needing to get the ball. Whose touches do you give to Dalton and who do you take them  away from?  

 

and if he doesn't make every single catch Show me a TE or WR that does,

 

Give him a chance I think he is legit 100%

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

NFL numbers.  Those are LaPortas rookie numbers on Lions.  Laporte made sensational one handed TD catch in loss against Washington. 

 

Context.  My original comment was about coming out of college and rankings in major draft profiles.  Trying to prove a point by moving the goalposts from the original basis is bad form.  

 

But, to your point, LaPorta was also used a whole lot differently than Kincaid was, clearly.  That isn't obvious, ... and a part of the discussion and issue?  

 

Let's stay focused here.  

 

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

It's particularly depressing when you consider the performance of other young tight ends like La Porta and Bowers who are doing more with lesser QB"s.

 

Maybe he shows up down the stretch.

Edited Saturday at 11:09 PM by SydneyBillsFan

[Pete]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

Context.  My original comment was about coming out of college and rankings in major draft profiles.  Trying to prove a point by moving the goalposts from the original basis is bad form.  

 

But, to your point, LaPorta was also used a whole lot differently than Kincaid was, clearly.  That isn't obvious, ... and a part of the discussion and issue?  

 

Let's stay focused here.  

 

 

huh?  This whole discussion is why Dalton is not above average, for the Bills, right now, and going forward.  No one in this whole thread is talking about college stats.  Im asking- KC is worst at covering TEs.  Does Dalton produce?  Does he drop passes?  I could give two ***** about college stats

[Billsfanatic8989]

The WR and TE personnel leaves alot to be desired. Every team remaining has a stud receiving threat. Kelce, AJ Brown and Scary Terry. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Not a bad thought. Trade him to Dallas.  Quintin Morris is a good back up.  Zack Davidson flashed. He is not the strongest blocker, but gives more than Kincaid.  Davidson could be a viable TE 3

 

Dalton is not going anywhere.  LOL.

[Brand J]

Bills traded away three extra 4th round picks to draft Knox (two 4ths) and Kincaid (one 4th). I do wish one or both had a bigger impact on the game.

[muppy]

42 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

It's particularly depressing when you consider the performance of other young tight ends like La Porta and Bowers who are doing more with lesser QB"s.

 

Maybe he shows up down the stretch.

what is enough for you to be on board? Let me guess. Clutch performance under pressure

 

I sense skepticism in your view of him. I think he will prove you wrong. I'm frankly surprised at the Diss towards Kincaid tbh

 

it's insulting to him and I'm not buying it. I Hope I'm right.

5 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Bills traded away three extra 4th round picks to draft Knox (two 4ths) and Kincaid (one 4th). I do wish one or both had a bigger impact on the game.

and take touches away from who? *crickets*

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Not a bad thought. Trade him to Dallas.  Quintin Morris is a good back up.  Zack Davidson flashed. He is not the strongest blocker, but gives more than Kincaid.  Davidson could be a viable TE 3

To the Giants.

 

So much has been said that I agree with in this thread. I want Kincaid to succeed and I think he has a lot of talent. I wanted LaPorta over Kincaid because we could have waited and moved around. Further, I wanted to find a way for Brock Bowers this year and was laughed at - while thinking trading Kincaid for a round 2 this year in the process was viable.

 

Kincaid doesn't seem to see the field yet. I think he needs better coaching. 

[notpolian]

This is really pretty simple IMO.  Kincaid is a good TE but not exceptional in any way.

 

He is not a crazy fast or twitchy athlete. He is not all that elusive.  He is not an overpowering / difficult to tackle guy.  He's not an absolutely guaranteed to catch the ball catch radius guy.  Not is he an anti-zone savant.  And most significantly, he's not much of a blocker.  The Bills want to be able to run the ball, and when he is in the game he's a net disadvantage compared to Knox.  So he doesn't get that many opportunities.  He's fine for what he is, but until he either becomes a better blocker or we change offensive philosophy, I don't see his current production changing much.  

 

His rookie salary means I'm not too concerned.  I am disappointed this is all we are getting from a first round draft pick.

[tomur67]

It seems obvious that the Bills don't want a number one receiver or tight end.  They want to spread it out so that on any given Sunday the opposition has no idea who is going to be on the receiving end of josh's passes.  It could be any of 9 or 10 guys.  Laporta is in an entirely different situation.  He is one of 3 or 4 guys that Goff targets.

[DrDawkinstein]

8 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Again ppl are confusing stats for ability. And stats in the context of this offense

 

 

I'm not going to get into the rest of the back-and-forth, but the Kincaid discussion comes down to this.

 

He has the ability. He's just as good as the other top TEs. He just isnt getting the same plays and same targets.

 

Put him on the Lions and he has all of LaPorta's numbers. And vice versa.

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, tomur67 said:

It seems obvious that the Bills don't want a number one receiver or tight end.  They want to spread it out so that on any given Sunday the opposition has no idea who is going to be on the receiving end of josh's passes.  It could be any of 9 or 10 guys.  Laporta is in an entirely different situation.  He is one of 3 or 4 guys that Goff targets.

9 different receivers have had the most yards in a game this season.  None named Dalton. That stat blows me away.  What a waste of a first round pick 

[muppy]

the more *****ing and moaning that happens in this thread about his lack of production I hope he shows up and OUT tomorrow.

 

all this discord before one of our biggest games ever is IMO bad karma.

 

what's the point. Quien es mas macho? Let's right fight and cut off your nose to spite your face. Kincaid sucks. U happy now?

 

smh

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/20/2025 at 6:10 AM, 947 said:

We only threw 22 times, and the Ravens flooded the middle of the field to take that away. I'd have liked to see Kincaid run some seams, but I think better days are ahead for him.

Yeah, his sophomore year was very disappointing. He had less targets, yardage and a substantially lower catch rate. And only 2 tds like 2023.  Maybe he and Josh need a 3rd season to shore up some chemistry. As @DrDawkinsteinsaid, maybe some of this is on Joe?   But as of right now he's nowhere near the realm of a Kelce type TE.  Still hope we target him tomorrow. 

Edited yesterday at 01:22 AM by LABILLBACKER

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah, his sophomore year was very disappointing. He had less targets, yardage and a substantially lower catch rate. And only 2 tds like 2023.  Maybe he and Josh need a 3rd season to shore up some chemistry.  But as of right now he's nowhere near the realm of a Kelce type TE.

 

So you think it's all on him and nothing to do with scheme or how defenses are playing us?

 

If Kelce was on the Bills he'd have big numbers? And if Kincaid was on the Chiefs, he'd have the same low numbers?

[Pete]

20 minutes ago, muppy said:

the more *****ing and moaning that happens in this thread about his lack of production I hope he shows up and OUT tomorrow.

 

all this discord before one of our biggest games ever is IMO bad karma.

 

what's the point. Quien es mas macho? Let's right fight and cut off your nose to spite your face. Kincaid sucks. U happy now?

 

smh

What don’t you understand? 
 

Will Kincaid make any big plays against KC?

 

I like Dalton, and I am rooting for him.  But Im perplexed why he is so underwhelming