AFC Championship Game Week Thread - Bills at Chiefs

[Kelly to Allen]

Just win baby!!!

[Beck Water]

23 minutes ago, wppete said:

Any injury report yet? Anyone out other than Rapp? 

 

We won't get an injury report until Weds.    Benford is in concussion protocol, happened on the onside kick at the end of the game.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 minutes ago, appoo said:

Damar had a rare miss against the Ravens in coverage, but also with Rapp back, Damar is probably closer to the LOS where his skill set is a better fit

I still think damar intercepts that ball the vast majority of the time if it’s the play I’m thinking of, Lamar definitely got away with one there I don’t think he saw Hamlin at all.  Probably should give them that Andrews fumble back and add an INT as far as getting it closer to ‘what should’ve happened’ goes lol

Edited 10 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[ExiledInIllinois]

23 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I feel better about beating kc than I did the Ravens. However it's the Chiefs, and they always find a way, plus we all know if any bills players look at Mahomes the wrong way, they'll give kc an extra 15 yards automatically. Just really really hoping McDermott has a plan they don't see coming 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Hate to say it, but I thought he arguably had his worst game in a Bills uniform on Sunday.

It's like he was asked to do too much. His plate was over capacity and it showed. I keyed in on him several times but gave up because I couldn't figure out his assignment 

 

Von Miller was a joy to watch, however. Holy Crow that guy was a wreckingnball. 

[PoundingDog]

If the Bills expect to use the same script like they used on Nov 17, the result will be disappointing. I believe the saying "you learn more from defeat." The Chiefs will be ready. And they have important re-enforcement with that corner. Can Cooper beat that guy?

 

What I remember of that game from the offensive side is how poorly we ran the ball. Cook/Davis/Johnson combined for 50 yards the whole game. The Chiefs have a defensive group similar to the Bills and they rally to the ball from everywhere, creating number advantage.  I feel this time they have to do better. Mixon was able to run 88 yards on them, I feel the Bills have to find a way to at least match that.

 

Bottom line - winning the trenches on both side and I think we have a chance to do that. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

If the Bills expect to use the same script like they used on Nov 17, the result will be disappointing. I believe the saying "you learn more from defeat." The Chiefs will be ready. And they have important re-enforcement with that corner. Can Cooper beat that guy?

 

What I remember of that game from the offensive side is how poorly we ran the ball. Cook/Davis/Johnson combined for 50 yards the whole game. The Chiefs have a defensive group similar to the Bills and they rally to the ball from everywhere, creating number advantage.  I feel this time they have to do better. Mixon was able to run 88 yards on them, I feel the Bills have to find a way to at least match that.

 

Bottom line - winning the trenches on both side and I think we have a chance to do that. 

The way Spencer Brown and Dion Dawkins are playing, I am confident they can move the Chiefs (certainly better than the first time around).

 

Offensively we’ll be 100%. There was no Kincaid or Coleman at Orchard Park. Spencer Brown also missed the game. 

 

It’s of course our defense that has sustained these late injuries against a Chiefs offense that had three weeks to prepare and were not impressive against the Texans. 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Straight Hucklebuck

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

If the Bills expect to use the same script like they used on Nov 17, the result will be disappointing. I believe the saying "you learn more from defeat." The Chiefs will be ready. And they have important re-enforcement with that corner. Can Cooper beat that guy?

 

What I remember of that game from the offensive side is how poorly we ran the ball. Cook/Davis/Johnson combined for 50 yards the whole game. The Chiefs have a defensive group similar to the Bills and they rally to the ball from everywhere, creating number advantage.  I feel this time they have to do better. Mixon was able to run 88 yards on them, I feel the Bills have to find a way to at least match that.

 

Bottom line - winning the trenches on both side and I think we have a chance to do that. 

if you are the chiefs D, I am not sure what they will be preparing for. That ravens game showed them almost nothing. We could really surprise them on offense. 

[Kelly to Allen]

10 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

If the Bills expect to use the same script like they used on Nov 17, the result will be disappointing. I believe the saying "you learn more from defeat." The Chiefs will be ready. And they have important re-enforcement with that corner. Can Cooper beat that guy?

 

What I remember of that game from the offensive side is how poorly we ran the ball. Cook/Davis/Johnson combined for 50 yards the whole game. The Chiefs have a defensive group similar to the Bills and they rally to the ball from everywhere, creating number advantage.  I feel this time they have to do better. Mixon was able to run 88 yards on them, I feel the Bills have to find a way to at least match that.

 

Bottom line - winning the trenches on both side and I think we have a chance to do that. 

 

The difference is that Allen has a fully healthy Coleman/ Hollins and Cooper that we just didn't have in the playoffs last year. Along with an even better oline, dline and more experienced Kincaid.

 

The fact that Allen almost won that game last year with a banged up diggs and nothing on the outside is incredible. The drops were absolutely cringe 

 

This is a higher level of blue chip talent this year. And it's a deeper team 

Edited 10 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

if you are the chiefs D, I am not sure what they will be preparing for. That ravens game showed them almost nothing. We could really surprise them on offense. 

I hope you are right! 

[PoundingDog]

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The way Spencer Brown and Dion Dawkins are playing, I am confident they can move the Chiefs (certainly better than the first time around).

 

I'm not so confident. Personally I believe we never marry the run game and play-action very well. There has to be something we give away to the defense on play-action to be so ineffective. The reason Bills are notoriously bad at defending play-action is because we rally to the ball approach and it exposes vulnerability to the pass off the action. But we don't seem to be able to do it against others.   

3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

if you are the chiefs D, I am not sure what they will be preparing for. That ravens game showed them almost nothing. We could really surprise them on offense. 

watch the 3rd quarter of Ravens game. Stop the run. Key on screens, Blitz some. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

26 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

If the Bills expect to use the same script like they used on Nov 17, the result will be disappointing. I believe the saying "you learn more from defeat." The Chiefs will be ready. And they have important re-enforcement with that corner. Can Cooper beat that guy?

 

What I remember of that game from the offensive side is how poorly we ran the ball. Cook/Davis/Johnson combined for 50 yards the whole game. The Chiefs have a defensive group similar to the Bills and they rally to the ball from everywhere, creating number advantage.  I feel this time they have to do better. Mixon was able to run 88 yards on them, I feel the Bills have to find a way to at least match that.

 

Bottom line - winning the trenches on both side and I think we have a chance to do that. 

This might spark a debate with our resident chiefs fans haha but I think the missing player additions assuming Milano is good to go is at worst a wash.  We were down Milano,spencer brown (huge)

Kincaid and Coleman (not as huge but still pretty meaningful) 

Milano and brown have been two of the best guys on the field for us the last two weeks 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Beck Water]

44 minutes ago, Simon said:

I thought he was out of position frequently which put him in bad situations he couldn't recover from.

I thought he was indecisive at times and it caused him to be reactive instead of proactive and resulted in blockers getting on top of him so that he couldn't disengage.

I thought he made some poor decisions in zone coverage that took himself out of the areas of the field the Ravens wanted to attack.

From my couch, he was the third best LB on the field that night and was clearly outplayed by Dorian Williams, imo. And that is coming from a guy who is not a huge fan of Williams.

 

Full disclosure: I had a house full of Raven-hating Steelers fans here and was inhaling beers for the first time since Christmas Eve so feel free to take this with a grain of salt (and a lime wedge).

 

Thanks for your explanation!

 

I wouldn't pretend to know what position Bernard was supposed to be in, in zone coverage.  I don't have the "key" to the Bills coverage rules.  What I saw, especially in the first half, was that the Bills defense as a whole was having success in containing Jackson and Henry - 73 yds on 18 plays was not where the Ravens hoped to be IMO.  I thought the Bills did a good job adjusting pre-snap to give themselves success and it seemed clear Bernard was the chief conductor there. I also thought the Bills used multiple guys at the point of attack to compensate for the likelihood that our LB might not be able to shed behemoths like Ricard.  Cover1 breaks some of those down I think.  

 

In the second half, I thought the Bills wore down, including Bernard.  It didn't help a bit that our first 2 offensive possessions were 3 and out then 6 and out.  I thought the whole D started to look flat.  As a friend said once about a rock singer who came to a sad end, "that's what you get when you take a 60 watt singer and run him at 350W for a few years".  At the end of the day, physics is undefeated.

 

I got no quarrel with calling him the 2nd best LB on the field to Milano.  I thought Milano looked closer than ever to his old self and just hope his trip to the Blue Tent wasn't anything serious, along with Bernard's trip and the shots of him using the Theragun on the sidelines.

 

As far as Dorian Williams, the guy only played 24 snaps.  When you got a guy who is playing Left Bench 60% of the snaps against a physical, large offense like the Ravens, comparing him to a guy who is on the field Every Defensive Snap is a rigged comparison IMO.

May your beers be ever tasty and tinged with lime (if that's what you prefer)

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Thanks for your explanation!

 

I wouldn't pretend to know what position Bernard was supposed to be in, in zone coverage.  I don't have the "key" to the Bills coverage rules.  What I saw, especially in the first half, was that the Bills defense as a whole was having success in containing Jackson and Henry - 73 yds on 18 plays was not where the Ravens hoped to be IMO.  I thought the Bills did a good job adjusting pre-snap to give themselves success and it seemed clear Bernard was the chief conductor there. I also thought the Bills used multiple guys at the point of attack to compensate for the likelihood that our LB might not be able to shed behemoths like Ricard.  Cover1 breaks some of those down I think.  

 

In the second half, I thought the Bills wore down, including Bernard.  It didn't help a bit that our first 2 offensive possessions were 3 and out then 6 and out.  I thought the whole D started to look flat.  As a friend said once about a rock singer who came to a sad end, "that's what you get when you take a 60 watt singer and run him at 350W for a few years".  At the end of the day, physics is undefeated.

 

I got no quarrel with calling him the 2nd best LB on the field to Milano.  I thought Milano looked closer than ever to his old self and just hope his trip to the Blue Tent wasn't anything serious, along with Bernard's trip and the shots of him using the Theragun on the sidelines.

 

As far as Dorian Williams, the guy only played 24 snaps.  When you got a guy who is playing Left Bench 60% of the snaps against a physical, large offense like the Ravens, comparing him to a guy who is on the field Every Defensive Snap is a rigged comparison IMO.

May your beers be ever tasty and tinged with lime (if that's what you prefer)

Did Milano go to the blue tent?

 

Or did he just stand on the sidelines? 
 

The All-22 I saw doesn’t show him limping, it cuts off right after Lamar releases the ball. 

[Steptide]

57 minutes ago, wppete said:

Any injury report yet? Anyone out other than Rapp? 

They don't practice until tomorrow 

[boyst]

52 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I thought he was out of position frequently which put him in bad situations he couldn't recover from.

I thought he was indecisive at times and it caused him to be reactive instead of proactive and resulted in blockers getting on top of him so that he couldn't disengage.

I thought he made some poor decisions in zone coverage that took himself out of the areas of the field the Ravens wanted to attack.

From my couch, he was the third best LB on the field that night and was clearly outplayed by Dorian Williams, imo. And that is coming from a guy who is not a huge fan of Williams.

 

Full disclosure: I had a house full of Raven-hating Steelers fans here and was inhaling beers for the first time since Christmas Eve so feel free to take this with a grain of salt (and a lime wedge).

jst saw this and it is spot on. he was looking all over, head on a swivel and over thinking/asked to do too much. babich should have noticed this, so should mcdermott.

 

i expect this week to be different. i expect some 4-3 packages - and even some dime with cam lewis coming in over milano (if banged up) and/or bernard. cam lewis showed he can stick with kelce last year.

[Sestak4ever]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:10 AM, chris heff said:

I’ve been watching GMFB this morning and based on that I think the Bills should forfeit. According to these experts the Ravens beat themselves. And the Bills have no chance against the Chiefs. I’ve got news for them, the Bills beat the Ravens. The Ravens had three turnovers, two caused by Bills players, the other was a terrible pass by the anointed by all MVP. Mark Andrews dropped a game tying pass. The Bills were in his head, because of the fumble, he dropped it. I don’t care if he caught it. Bills had 1:33 and two timeouts, Josh Allen would have willed that team down the field for a walk off game winning FG. 
 

As for the Chiefs, they are not what they once were.  Mahomes has been running for his life, that OL stinks, the LT is a turnstile. GO GET THEM, GO BEAT THEM!

We also had a drop by Kincaid that may have lead to a 3 score lead early in the third quarter. 

[Big Turk]

The entire NFL outside KC is with us...

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

The entire NFL outside KC is with us...

 

 

Amen Marlon.

 

We all saw what it looked like last Sunday.

 

Drives extended on penalties, Pacheco barely running for 3-yards/carry, Kelce has love handles and a beer gut and is allowed free releases off the line to jog around the secondary, an OG playing OT, the RT lining up illegal formation all game. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

We also had a drop by Kincaid that may have lead to a 3 score lead early in the third quarter. 

I think people aren’t factoring in that there were so few drives in the second half..  that Kincaid drop/not great throw whatever you want to call it and TE screen audible killed half the second half drives. Compare that to like the eagles/rams game that ended in a pretty similar score where each team had 7-8 second half drives.