Lets talk complementary football and the 2nd half

[appoo]

so post game there seems to be a lot of debate on the 2nd half offense. 

 

During the game - I hated it. 

Immediatly after the game - I hated it. 

Now? I think I kind of appreciate it. 

 

So hear me out. The first drive, the Ravens stuffed the offense. Bills even went misdirection on first and the Ravens brought so many they still for the stuff. They stopped the Bills and forced the punt, not really anytning conservative or bad about the playcalling. 

 

They respond with a FG right?  At this point the Bills were pretty intentional abou their play calling. Play for first downs. Go 3-4 yards at a time. They had runs and quick throws, and challenged the Ravens to tackle in the open field. They did that. 

 

The Ravens get their best drive of the game, HAMMERING the Bills in the run. D never stoppe dthem on first. But you know what they DID do? stop the 2 pointer, and now it's 21 - 19. 

 

Again the Bills get the ball. Again they go small ball. This time, they inch their way to multiple first downs.  They took 4.5 minutes, 10 plays to go 37 yards and then get a FG.  The defense comes back, and this time they get the Ravens out of their run game.  They forced them into a 4th down conversion. On the Andrews fumble it was 2nd and 11 after a first down stuff.  If the Bills went aggressive their last drive, and go 3 and out. Are the Bills effective on D? That's the question right. 

 

Bills have the ball. It's off a turnover. It's an opportunity to get aggressive. Instead they take 5:12 to go 50 yards in 11 plays. Josh couldn't bust it in from 3rd and 2 on the 2, they kick the FG...and the Ravens only have 3:23 to score. They did that, and it left 1:33 left with Allen having 2 possessions, so even if Bmore ties it, you gotta believe Allen wins it. 

 

Folks the Bills had an 11 point lead going into the 2nd hald and limited the Ravens to just 4 possessions in the 2nd half. 

 

That is the very definition of complementary football, and controlling the clock so you always have the advantage at the end of the game

 

So I didn;t at first love the 2nd half strategy...byt when I looked at them having just FOUR possesions, and the defense forcing a FG? That's just great game management. 

 

I'm now 100% complimentary of how the Bills played complementary football to win this game in the 2nd half. 

Edited 4 hours ago by appoo

[Dr Krentist]

Just now, appoo said:

so post game there seems to be a lot of debate on the 2nd half offense. 

 

During the game - I hated it. 

Immediatly after the game - I hated it. 

Now? I think I kind of appreciate it. 

 

So hear me out. The first drive, the Ravens stuffed the offense. Bills even went misdirection on first and the Ravens brought so many they still for the stuff. They stopped the Bills and forced the punt, not really anytning conservative or bad about the playcalling. 

 

They respond with a FG right?  At this point the Bills were pretty intentional abou their play calling. Play for first downs. Go 3-4 yards at a time. They had runs and quick throws, and challenged the Ravens to tackle in the open field. They did that. 

 

The Ravens get their best drive of the game, HAMMERING the Bills in the run. D never stoppe dthem on first. But you know what they DID do? stop the 2 pointer, and now it's 24 - 19. 

 

Again the Bills get the ball. Again they go small ball. This time, they inch their way to multiple first downs.  They took 4.5 minutes, 10 plays to go 37 yards and then get a FG.  The defense comes back, and this time they get the Ravens out of their run game.  They forced them into a 4th down conversion. On the Andrews fumble it was 2nd and 11 after a first down stuff.  If the Bills went aggressive their last drive, and go 3 and out. Are the Bills effective on D? That's the question right. 

 

Bills have the ball. It's off a turnover. It's an opportunity to get aggressive. Instead they take 5:12 to go 50 yards in 11 plays. Josh couldn't bust it in from 3rd and 2 on the 2, they kick the FG...and the Ravens only have 3:23 to score. They did that, and it left 1:33 left with Allen having 2 possessions, so even if Bmore ties it, you gotta believe Allen wins it. 

 

Folks the Bills had an 11 point lead going into the 2nd hald and limited the Ravens to just 4 possessions in the 2nd half. 

 

That is the very definition of complementary football, and controlling the clock so you always have the advantage at the end of the game

 

So I didn;t at first love the 2nd half strategy...byt when I looked at them having just FOUR possesions, and the defense forcing a FG? That's just great game management. 

 

I'm not 100% complimentary of how the Bills played complementary football to win this game in the 2nd half. 

 

My only gripe is that the game could have been done if they tush pushed twice to make it a two possession game.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

so post game there seems to be a lot of debate on the 2nd half offense. 

 

During the game - I hated it. 

Immediatly after the game - I hated it. 

Now? I think I kind of appreciate it. 

 

So hear me out. The first drive, the Ravens stuffed the offense. Bills even went misdirection on first and the Ravens brought so many they still for the stuff. They stopped the Bills and forced the punt, not really anytning conservative or bad about the playcalling. 

 

They respond with a FG right?  At this point the Bills were pretty intentional abou their play calling. Play for first downs. Go 3-4 yards at a time. They had runs and quick throws, and challenged the Ravens to tackle in the open field. They did that. 

 

The Ravens get their best drive of the game, HAMMERING the Bills in the run. D never stoppe dthem on first. But you know what they DID do? stop the 2 pointer, and now it's 24 - 19. 

 

Again the Bills get the ball. Again they go small ball. This time, they inch their way to multiple first downs.  They took 4.5 minutes, 10 plays to go 37 yards and then get a FG.  The defense comes back, and this time they get the Ravens out of their run game.  They forced them into a 4th down conversion. On the Andrews fumble it was 2nd and 11 after a first down stuff.  If the Bills went aggressive their last drive, and go 3 and out. Are the Bills effective on D? That's the question right. 

 

Bills have the ball. It's off a turnover. It's an opportunity to get aggressive. Instead they take 5:12 to go 50 yards in 11 plays. Josh couldn't bust it in from 3rd and 2 on the 2, they kick the FG...and the Ravens only have 3:23 to score. They did that, and it left 1:33 left with Allen having 2 possessions, so even if Bmore ties it, you gotta believe Allen wins it. 

 

Folks the Bills had an 11 point lead going into the 2nd hald and limited the Ravens to just 4 possessions in the 2nd half. 

 

That is the very definition of complementary football, and controlling the clock so you always have the advantage at the end of the game

 

So I didn;t at first love the 2nd half strategy...byt when I looked at them having just FOUR possesions, and the defense forcing a FG? That's just great game management. 

 

I'm not 100% complimentary of how the Bills played complementary football to win this game in the 2nd half. 

Agree completely.

 

And if they had scored a TD instead of a FG on that last drive, then there wojos

be no debate about how brilliant it was.

 

i have to commend Brady for sticking with the run. It was like running into a brick wall. But they were out there to bleed clock and not put the ball in harm’s Way.

[BidsJr]

McDermott took the ball out of Allen’s hands and almost lost the game.  That is unforgivable.

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Dr Krentist said:

 

My only gripe is that the game could have been done if they tush pushed twice to make it a two possession game.

Agreed.  Totally. 

[Doc Brown]

McDermott should’ve challenged that Allen spot and a tush push ends the game.  Thank god Andrews dropped it or I would’ve helped McDermott move.

[appoo]

1 minute ago, Dr Krentist said:

 

My only gripe is that the game could have been done if they tush pushed twice to make it a two possession game.

that's a fair point. I wonder if McDermott was going to go FG unless it was at like under half a yard.  They got a BAD spot on that 2nd down and it 3rd and a long 2. I think what they were debating does tush push get you 1.5 yards?

[Bookie Man]

They definitely were looking to play small ball and get first downs. Take as much time off the clock per drive as they could. I'm sure they wanted to limit Baltimore's possessions and not get worn out and gassed by that running game.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

so post game there seems to be a lot of debate on the 2nd half offense. 

 

During the game - I hated it. 

Immediatly after the game - I hated it. 

Now? I think I kind of appreciate it. 

 

So hear me out. The first drive, the Ravens stuffed the offense. Bills even went misdirection on first and the Ravens brought so many they still for the stuff. They stopped the Bills and forced the punt, not really anytning conservative or bad about the playcalling. 

 

They respond with a FG right?  At this point the Bills were pretty intentional abou their play calling. Play for first downs. Go 3-4 yards at a time. They had runs and quick throws, and challenged the Ravens to tackle in the open field. They did that. 

 

The Ravens get their best drive of the game, HAMMERING the Bills in the run. D never stoppe dthem on first. But you know what they DID do? stop the 2 pointer, and now it's 24 - 19. 

 

Again the Bills get the ball. Again they go small ball. This time, they inch their way to multiple first downs.  They took 4.5 minutes, 10 plays to go 37 yards and then get a FG.  The defense comes back, and this time they get the Ravens out of their run game.  They forced them into a 4th down conversion. On the Andrews fumble it was 2nd and 11 after a first down stuff.  If the Bills went aggressive their last drive, and go 3 and out. Are the Bills effective on D? That's the question right. 

 

Bills have the ball. It's off a turnover. It's an opportunity to get aggressive. Instead they take 5:12 to go 50 yards in 11 plays. Josh couldn't bust it in from 3rd and 2 on the 2, they kick the FG...and the Ravens only have 3:23 to score. They did that, and it left 1:33 left with Allen having 2 possessions, so even if Bmore ties it, you gotta believe Allen wins it. 

 

Folks the Bills had an 11 point lead going into the 2nd hald and limited the Ravens to just 4 possessions in the 2nd half. 

 

That is the very definition of complementary football, and controlling the clock so you always have the advantage at the end of the game

 

So I didn;t at first love the 2nd half strategy...byt when I looked at them having just FOUR possesions, and the defense forcing a FG? That's just great game management. 

 

I'm not 100% complimentary of how the Bills played complementary football to win this game in the 2nd half. 

It worked out in the end and that's all that matters.  And to be fair had Andrews caught that pass for the 2 pt conversion the Bills had 1 minute & 33 seconds and 2 TO's left to go get the game winning FG. 

[appoo]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

McDermott should’ve challenged that Allen spot and a tush push ends the game.  Thank god Andrews dropped it or I would’ve helped McDermott move.

I think you can only challenge a spot on whether its a first down or not

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Bookie Man said:

They definitely were looking to play small ball and get first downs. Take as much time off the clock per drive as they could. I'm sure they wanted to limit Baltimore's possessions and not get worn out and gassed by that running game.

I mean did the Bills snap the ball with more then 3 seconds on the play clock the entire 2nd half?

 

 

[NoSaint]

I think you can be a lot more bold in the third quarter and have the same time consumption (maybe more) 

 

we went a long time without a pass past maybe 2-3 yards down field or an Allen run. 
 

im not saying you have to go run and shoot there but they don’t have the talent around Josh to completely pull him out of the game for most of the second half and if not for a huge fumble we may not have won a game we had a two score lead 

[bouds]

I just have one question.  We played with heavy sets tonight.  We have what we think are two capable TEs.  I know Kincaid isn't a great blocker, but how on earth are we not getting them some good looks off playaction considering how run heavy we were?  Been a thing all season.  Complimentary football is having complimentary playcalls.  You can't just run the ball against loaded boxes if you don't have a compliment of pass plays when they counter to stop the run.  Thats my biggest beef with the O all season, it feels like we run so much and yet can't take advantage via playaction, we don't play action enough period.  

Edited 4 hours ago by bouds

[Livinginthepast]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

McDermott should’ve challenged that Allen spot and a tush push ends the game.  Thank god Andrews dropped it or I would’ve helped McDermott move.

Exactly! Allen looked like he hit down at the 1 not the 2 . The clueless refs though just guessed as usual on the spot. I really wish the NFL would put a chip in the ball and figure this out !

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Agree completely.

 

And if they had scored a TD instead of a FG on that last drive, then there wojos

be no debate about how brilliant it was.

 

i have to commend Brady for sticking with the run. It was like running into a brick wall. But they were out there to bleed clock and not put the ball in harm’s Way.

maybe spread the ravens out a bit and sneak Josh in there a bit though? 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, NoSaint said:

maybe spread the ravens out a bit and sneak Josh in there a bit though? 

this is me speculating, but it looked like Josh checked into that run on third and goal. It looked like it could have been a fade to Coleman that he checked out of (a play I wouldn’t have loved either).

[bobobonators]

I disagree. I felt our offense was too conservative with the run. It worked out, but only bc of all of the Ravens mistakes. 
 

Today we played not to lose the game and it actually worked for once. We cannot lose our edge on offense. 
 

Im hopeful that weather was the main factor in why we didn’t pass very much bc it was brutally cold and slick tonight. Next Sunday vs Chiefs it’ll be 30s with no snow. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this is me speculating, but it looked like Josh checked into that run on third and goal. It looked like it could have been a fade to Coleman that he checked out of (a play I wouldn’t have loved either).

but even early in drives in the 3rd quarter? 
 

Did he have zero carries and maybe 10 air yards passing in the first 20 minutes after halftime? I’m sure I’m forgetting some plays but generally…. We can’t say Josh is the mvp because he doesn’t have the talent around him and then make the choice to contain him in the backfield and put all the pressure on the other guys to make a play. 
 

I’ll buy that in September to preserve health but in January he’s got to be bigger in putting the nail in the coffin instead of bleeding clock with other guys taking the hits for him

[appoo]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think you can be a lot more bold in the third quarter and have the same time consumption (maybe more) 

 

we went a long time without a pass past maybe 2-3 yards down field or an Allen run. 
 

im not saying you have to go run and shoot there but they don’t have the talent around Josh to completely pull him out of the game for most of the second half and if not for a huge fumble we may not have won a game we had a two score lead 

This is fair. That 3rd Bills drive which ended up in the long FG was the drive they could have done that, and chose not to. 

[PBF81]

15 minutes ago, appoo said:

so post game there seems to be a lot of debate on the 2nd half offense. 

 

During the game - I hated it. 

Immediatly after the game - I hated it. 

Now? I think I kind of appreciate it. 

 

So hear me out. The first drive, the Ravens stuffed the offense. Bills even went misdirection on first and the Ravens brought so many they still for the stuff. They stopped the Bills and forced the punt, not really anytning conservative or bad about the playcalling. 

 

They respond with a FG right?  At this point the Bills were pretty intentional abou their play calling. Play for first downs. Go 3-4 yards at a time. They had runs and quick throws, and challenged the Ravens to tackle in the open field. They did that. 

 

The Ravens get their best drive of the game, HAMMERING the Bills in the run. D never stoppe dthem on first. But you know what they DID do? stop the 2 pointer, and now it's 21 - 19. 

 

Again the Bills get the ball. Again they go small ball. This time, they inch their way to multiple first downs.  They took 4.5 minutes, 10 plays to go 37 yards and then get a FG.  The defense comes back, and this time they get the Ravens out of their run game.  They forced them into a 4th down conversion. On the Andrews fumble it was 2nd and 11 after a first down stuff.  If the Bills went aggressive their last drive, and go 3 and out. Are the Bills effective on D? That's the question right. 

 

Bills have the ball. It's off a turnover. It's an opportunity to get aggressive. Instead they take 5:12 to go 50 yards in 11 plays. Josh couldn't bust it in from 3rd and 2 on the 2, they kick the FG...and the Ravens only have 3:23 to score. They did that, and it left 1:33 left with Allen having 2 possessions, so even if Bmore ties it, you gotta believe Allen wins it. 

 

Folks the Bills had an 11 point lead going into the 2nd hald and limited the Ravens to just 4 possessions in the 2nd half. 

 

That is the very definition of complementary football, and controlling the clock so you always have the advantage at the end of the game

 

So I didn;t at first love the 2nd half strategy...byt when I looked at them having just FOUR possesions, and the defense forcing a FG? That's just great game management. 

 

I'm now 100% complimentary of how the Bills played complementary football to win this game in the 2nd half. 

 

The Ravens had drives of 93, 88, 80, 73, and 57, four of them resulting in scores, 3 TDs and a FG.  

 

We had drives of 70, 70, 52, 37, and 24, all resulting in scores, 3 TDs and two FGs.