That FG Decision by McDermott

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

The Andrew’s drop is the entire point of taking the points there.  You force them to be perfect needing a TD and 2 pt conversion.  Worst case, Josh Allen still had 1:31 left to go win the game in regulation with a FG

I can agree with your second point. But I'm not sure relying on an all pro tight end to drop a lay up pass wasn't just pure luck 

 

I am not saying it's an outrageous call to kick the FG. But I would rather put the game in 17s hands and if you get two yards, it's over. If you don't, then Baltimore has to be perfect to drive 98 yards 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

I can agree with your second point. But I'm not sure relying on an all pro tight end to drop a lay up pass wasn't just pure luck 

 

I am not saying it's an outrageous call to kick the FG. But I would rather put the game in 17s hands and if you get two yards, it's over. If you don't, then Baltimore has to be perfect to drive 98 yards 

Baltimore was moving the ball too well. Just too risky imo. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Was the best and most important call of his career.

 

Everybody loves this unrelenting aggression on 4th down and McD shows a ton of it, arguably the second most after Dan Campbell. There’s also the common sense inclination that you let your best player win the game.

 

But the strategy of this game comes down to probability even when it’s boring.  Make your opponent be perfect.  You go up by 8 points, make them score the TD AND the 2 point conversion AND stop your final drive afterward.  Worst case scenario you take it to OT and accept your 50/50 odds there.  
 

It’s like making a big fold at a poker tournament with your two pair on a board with straights and flushes possible.  Not fun, but right.  

 

He made that decision with an entire city, many of whom hate him, watching over his shoulder.  Well done, coach.

Contrast it with Harbaugh going for two too early and we have ourselves a playoff victory. 

[billsfan_34]

The absolute right call to go up by 8 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Baltimore was moving the ball too well. Just too risky imo. 

If you're worried about Baltimore's offence, then exactly my point- Go for it and win the game 

[Orlando Buffalo]

FG was definitely the correct call, but the third down call by Brady sucked. Trying to get too cute and should cost him him any chance to get a HC position and should have to come back for another year.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Brady was awful today.  Don’t understand a lot of what happened.

Ravens have the number 1 run defense so that weighs on decisions. We didn’t turn it over. Some head scratcher calls indeed but overall game plan was good.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said:

Ravens have the number 1 run defense so that weighs on decisions. We didn’t turn it over. Some head scratcher calls indeed but overall game plan was good.

Ray Davis was running well against them. What happened to him?

[Man with No Name]

We may have also lost to the rams because we did go for the tush push, when the Rams had been controlling the LOS against us. Brady just doesn't have a feel for it down there. Those are obvious calls that should be dictated by how the trenches are being played in each particular game. 

[billsfan_34]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Ray Davis was running well against them. What happened to him?

They made adjustments and started to get penetration. We had to adjust to that.

[Billsfanatic8989]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

If you're worried about Baltimore's offence, then exactly my point- Go for it and win the game 

But we were up 5 and a chip shot fg. Baltimore can only tie in that situation. They need to be perfect. TD and the 2 pt conversion. So not stopping them wasn't a death sentence. Especially up by 8.

 

Not getting it means Baltimore has to go the length for the field. Not easy. But their game plan changes. They would have likely played it so the clock didn't have much time left. And a TD puts them ahead by two. With Allen then needing to go the length of the field with little to no time left.

[BeastMaster]

I only agree it was the right call because it put us up eight

 

If it was seven, I'm going for it

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I can agree with your second point. But I'm not sure relying on an all pro tight end to drop a lay up pass wasn't just pure luck 

 

I am not saying it's an outrageous call to kick the FG. But I would rather put the game in 17s hands and if you get two yards, it's over. If you don't, then Baltimore has to be perfect to drive 98 yards 

Im not saying they kicked it hoping Andrews has a bad drop.  Just saying it’s hard enough to get a TD, but now you’re making them get a TD and a 2 pt conversion.  Puts Ravens in a position where not only do they have to do the hard work of getting a long TD, but also they have only one shot at a 2pt conversion leaving no room for error.  
 

And we are at home with a defense that has already forced 3 turnovers.  
 

For me at 2.5 yards out, it’s a no brainer you take the points there knowing that even if your D allows the score and conversion you are at worst looking at OT, but also likely going to still give Allen a chance to win it in OT on a FG.  
 

Now that 3rd down call was atrocious by Brady though.  

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

But we were up 5 and a chip shot fg. Baltimore can only tie in that situation. They need to be perfect. TD and the 2 pt conversion. So not stopping them wasn't a death sentence. Especially up by 8.

 

Not getting it means Baltimore has to go the length for the field. Not easy. But their game plan changes. They would have likely played it so the clock didn't have much time left. And a TD puts them ahead by two. With Allen then needing to go the length of the field with little to no time left.

I know, I hear you.

 

Im not saying it's a horrific decision to kick the field goal.

I just would rather put the game in Josh's hands. If you don't get it, then make them go 98 yards.

 

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

Im not saying they kicked it hoping Andrews has a bad drop.  Just saying it’s hard enough to get a TD, but now you’re making them get a TD and a 2 pt conversion.  Puts Ravens in a position where not only do they have to do the hard work of getting a long TD, but also they have only one shot at a 2pt conversion leaving no room for error.  
 

And we are at home with a defense that has already forced 3 turnovers.  
 

For me at 2.5 yards out, it’s a no brainer you take the points there knowing that even if your D allows the score and conversion you are at worst looking at OT, but also likely going to still give Allen a chance to win it in OT on a FG.  
 

Now that 3rd down call was atrocious by Brady though.  

I'm not going to disagree with you too much as I definitely get the argument kicking the field goal.

 

I personally just would have put the game in Josh's hands.
 

If they don't get it- worst case scenario they have to go 98 yards in 3 minutes . And if they do somehow get a TD, Josh should still get another chance .

 

But you have a valid point- I'm just a bit more on the aggressive side, full disclosure 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

I know, I hear you.

 

Im not saying it's a horrific decision to kick the field goal.

I just would rather put the game in Josh's hands. If you don't get it, then make them go 98 yards.

 

I know what you mean.

 

McDermott is second guessed either way if Baltimore wins. 

 

People will scream he should have went for it. Ended the game right there and the Ravens don't get a chance to tie.

 

People will scream they failed on 4th down. Allowing Baltimore to get the winning score. Instead of the fg.

[Billsatlastin2018]

Lot of chat at the bar, among us Bills fans!

 

And, I don’t like these end game decisions by McD normally.

 

This one was 100% correct to go up 8. 
 

Now, if Brady had not had such a dumb assed call on 3rd Down, negating getting it to the 1 on Allen Tush Push… yeah GOOOOOOO!
 

But not from where they were under the conditions. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Billsatlastin2018

[NoSaint]

Honestly- if questioning coaching… 

 

how did the ravens motion Henry out of the backfield on the first two pointer after waltzing down the field 10-15 yards at a time? If nothing else make else sell out on the run

 

I imagine if they ran Henry both 2 pointers it would’ve been a more interesting game 

 

but coaches do dumb stuff. See Jameson Williams at qb for the lions and no one calling TO for 12 men on the field for them. Two premiere coordinators. It’s why you kick and make the other team execute.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I think McD should have challenged the spot.  

The third down call was terrible

Kicking the FG was the right decision.

[Governor]

Not kicking the FG would’ve been a fireable offense. That’s some Matt LaFleur level *****.

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

We may have also lost to the rams because we did go for the tush push, when the Rams had been controlling the LOS against us. Brady just doesn't have a feel for it down there. Those are obvious calls that should be dictated by how the trenches are being played in each particular game. 

Yup. Our OL was getting blown up at that moment and it wasn’t going to end well. Glad we didn’t.

[Mikie2times]

From my view, you go up 8, if they score AND get the two point conversion, then you still likely have a potential FG drive unless they score with no time. Then you have OT with the TD rule. So the outs just keep going in that spot and so it made sense. If it was just to go up 7 maybe you really have a decision, but I don’t think it was a decision going up 8.

Edited 4 hours ago by Mikie2times