Lamar Jackson - Popular Opinion

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

No one is trashing Lamar? Have you read this thread? 

 

Your second paragraph is a strawman argument. 

 

2x MVP Lamar Jackson needed Henry to improve his level of play?? C'mon.

 

Had Andrews caught the conversion and Ravens beaten us in OT, we could just as easily point to our inability to punch it in from the 2 which cost us the game. See how easy that is? 

 

Yes, and that would be a valid point then. The Bills idiotic play calling would have come back to haunt them. And the Ravens would have won despite of Lamar's turnovers.

[VW82]

Just now, Doc said:

Why do some keep pretending like the Ravens scored their final TD with no/little time left on the clock?  There was a minute and a half left.

 

If this is directed at me I'm not pretending that. Implicit in the scenario described above is that we wouldn't have scored with the 80+ seconds or so left after kickoff return. 

[I'mBuff]

23 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

I thought Brady’s second half playcalling was awful. He basically called a plan that Trubisky could’ve run. It was safe, and borderline alarming. There didn’t seem to be any attempt to go for the kill shot. Happy for this win… but gonna need a lot more next week in KC.

Just rewatched and what he did in the 2nd half was horrible, it was like he didn’t trust Allen not to ***** something up. Totally played into the Ravens hands. Josh didn’t help with some of his audibles falling flat. Would have been interesting to see how he would have run the two minute drill if the 2pt was successful. 

[BillMafia716ix]

I believe we knocked out the best team left in the playoffs. Trying to defend him and Derrick Henry is a nightmare. Glad we came out on the other side of it. 

[VW82]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Yes, and that would be a valid point then. The Bills idiotic play calling would have come back to haunt them. And the Ravens would have won despite of Lamar's turnovers.

 

I still have issue with the framing here. If it had been all Henry or great catches on poorly placed balls or trick plays or, or...that helped Ravens get back in it and won then sure. But it was Lamar's brilliance before and after those turnovers that kept them in it. 

 

He was EASILY the best player in the game outside of his two turnovers .

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

No one is trashing Lamar? Have you read this thread? 

 

Your second paragraph is a strawman argument. 

 

2x MVP Lamar Jackson needed Henry to improve his level of play?? C'mon.

 

No one is trashing Jackson TO PROP UP ALLEN.  Be precise when quoting me please.

 

You don't think Henry improved Jackson's play?  Seriously?  Jackson has never put up the passing numbers he has this year and you think it didn't have a lot to do with having a 2000 yard rusher in the backfield?

 

 

 

 

[VW82]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No one is trashing Jackson TO PROP UP ALLEN.  Be precise when quoting me please.

 

You don't think Henry improved Jackson's play?  Seriously?  Jackson has never put up the passing numbers he has this year and you think it didn't have a lot to do with having a 2000 yard rusher in the backfield?

 

 

Ok well I disagree. I'm quite certain posters are trashing Lamar to prop up Allen. 

 

Having Henry definitely helped the Ravens. I'd argue Lamar improved as a passer for some of the same reasons Josh improved as a passer; mainly, he's a little older, a little more experienced, and is in the prime of his career. Once again, we're taking credit away from a great player. Why is that? See first point.

[UKBillFan]

8 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

I still have issue with the framing here. If it had been all Henry or great catches on poorly placed balls or trick plays or, or...that helped Ravens get back in it and won then sure. But it was Lamar's brilliance before and after those turnovers that kept them in it. 

 

He was EASILY the best player in the game outside of his two turnovers .

 

I'm having trouble with the framing as well. Because you cannot exclude turnovers because of otherwise brilliant play. Otherwise Josh would have been the unanimous MVP last year.

[VW82]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'm having trouble with the framing as well. Because you cannot exclude turnovers because of otherwise brilliant play. Otherwise Josh would have been the unanimous MVP last year.

 

I don't know about unanimous MVP but Josh probably should've been MVP. 

 

Of course the turnovers are part of it. But to the same point that Bills didn't win games in 2023 despite Josh's turnovers, the Ravens didn't lose or wouldn't have won or whatever despite Lamar's turnovers. At some point, a guy makes enough briliant plays over the course of a game that he renders said turnovers to be a minor point in consideration of his overall brilliance. No one should understand that better than Bills fans!

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, VW82 said:

If this is directed at me I'm not pretending that. Implicit in the scenario described above is that we wouldn't have scored with the 80+ seconds or so left after kickoff return. 

 

No.  Talking heads.

[McMuffin]

I love watching Lamar play the game.  I’ve been watching him since his college days.  He’s a once in a generation player.  I root for him except for when he plays against the Bills.

[BillsFooteball]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Not the best QB from 2018 but he's pretty good. Better than Baker

Agreed! 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, VW82 said:

I think if the roles were reversed we'd have legions of fans in here swearing on their first born's life that Josh outplayed Lamar and was just unlucky with all the drops and a fluky bad snap fumble. Go back and read post after post during the 2023 season. 

 

If the roles were reversed this board would have burned to the ground. I have no clue what you're talking about. You're the only person I've seen anywhere with this take, and I even checked out the Ravens forum last night. There's no luck involved in throwing a horrid INT and inexplicably dropping the ball. The INT was rookie in his first start bad - fail to look off the safety, stare down your target, throw an inaccurate floater. This is who Lamar becomes in the playoffs. This year I honestly thought he would finally shake that stigma because he showed so much improvement in the regular season, but turns out it was the same old story.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

He was EASILY the best player in the game outside of his two turnovers .

 

Wrong again. The best player in the game was Spencer Brown.

[ticketssince61]

On 1/19/2025 at 7:21 PM, PrimeTime101 said:

MY personal opinion.. The dude was just at the podium.. and it was "WE" need to do this better "WE" cant be turning the ball over..

 

If That Was JA it would of been him taking accountability saying "I cant turn the ball over" "I did things I could of done differently"

 

Lamar..  WE WE WE WE...

JA I I I I

 

Lamar has no accountability.  Horrible look for Lamar.. the playoff choak artist.. .. 

 

 To give him the benefit of a doubt, it could be that (in a positive sense) it is always "WE"  - as in "we the team" whether win or lose

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, VW82 said:

I think if the roles were reversed we'd have legions of fans in here swearing on their first born's life that Josh outplayed Lamar and was just unlucky with all the drops and a fluky bad snap fumble. Go back and read post after post during the 2023 season. 

I, a frequent Josh defender, thought Josh played pretty meh and he WON the game lol. I would be livid if he did what Lamar did and wishing he played more like Josh 😂

 

Brady/mcd are taking some heat that Josh deserves imo.  That missed throw to Kincaid and the TE screen audible killed half our drives in the second half but I keep reading the coaching staff neutered him or something…can’t really understand it 
 

hes the best player in the league imo but he wasn’t great in this one,didn’t actively hurt the team but didn’t help a ton either.  I do think he pulls off the late fg drive to win it if he had to though.  
 

Lamar actively hurt his team.  Fluky bad snap fumble?  He was dancing around before securing the football trying to make a play happen… that was 1000% on him.  Had a pass tipped on a huge 2 point conversion, got stuffed in a goal to go situation.  He also basically threw another deep ball right at a safety and got away with it because Hamlin misjudged it so bad on top of all the other stuff…I probably could’ve jumped down from the 300 level and caught that pick while the ball was in the air 😂. not sure what Hamlin was doing on that one…looked like he was standing still lining up the pick then it went right over his head at the last second 

[VW82]

7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

He threw a deep ball basically right to Hamlin also that went for a completion because Hamlin misjudged it despite having all day to adjust  That easily could’ve been a third turnover. 

 

Or maybe he watched tape of Hamlin not being able to cover all year and knew he had a better than average chance and made a great throw...who can say?...but according to some you'd be the only one on the internet making that kind of argument. Bad Lamar. Bad. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

22 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Or maybe he watched tape of Hamlin not being able to cover all year and knew he had a better than average chance and made a great throw...who can say?...but according to some you'd be the only one on the internet making that kind of argument. Bad Lamar. Bad. 

Lol Im sure he knows Hamlin is bad in coverage but I think he just didn’t see him on that play…guarantee you if he could’ve cashed out that throw midair for an incompletion he would’ve done so. Hamlin had all day to get under that one 

 

I thought maybe it was the angle I was at or something so I didn’t bring it up initially but now I’ve been seeing videos of it and it was every bit as bad as I thought it was real time 😂

Edited 1 hour ago by Generic_Bills_Fan