Lamar Jackson - Popular Opinion

[Dukestreetking]

17 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

And they have a cool band that was formerly the Baltimore Colts Band which they kept active when the Colts moved out in the middle of the night and are now the Ravens Band. Very cool IMHO.

 

Thanks for this reminder. Great documentary on this band, I think it was ESPN 30-30. Showed a ton of heart re the city and fans.

[Virgil]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

If we were lucky to escape with a win (and you may be at least partially correct), that means to me that if we play our best game we should be able to destroy The KC Swifties.  

I truly think the Chiefs and Bills game is more like a wild card game against a divisional opponent.  Yes, the roster talent matters, but it goes beyond that.  These two teams know each other so well, that anything can happen. 

[Chugga]

3 hours ago, dma0034 said:

 

3. Lamar has a playoff problem. So do the Ravens as a whole but he has multiple turnovers in 4 out of his 8 playoff games. This year he had one interception that wasn't off his WR's hands and he quickly throws a terrible pick to Rapp. On the fumble he had Likely immediately and chose to try and deke and wasn't aware that the ball was slippery or something? The Ravens may be the most talented team in the league (either them or the Eagles imo) and yet continue to fail. Makes me wonder about whether John Harbaugh is a problem or not

 

4. I question if Lamar will ever win a Superbowl. He does have some injuries in the past but the moment he loses half a step his effectiveness as a runner goes down and allows Defenses to not have to crowd the line. He has never had elite arm strength and while he has improved as a passer the amount of throws he makes to players with 3 yards of seperation is insane. He may only have 5-6 more years of elite play left

I actually don’t think Lamar has a playoff problem anymore.  I think the Ravens do.

 

I truly believe what gives the Chiefs an edge every year is they never play to prove anything to anyone.  When Tyreek left and the national media said their passing game might have died, Mahomes wasn’t trying to pass for 400 yards to prove people wrong.  When the world thought Kelce might be washed they didn’t get him a 200 yard game to prove a point they use him when needed.

 

The Bills have FINALLY adopted this way of thinking.  In the past I believe the legacy of Josh depended on Josh throwing on his cape every game.  But the Bills didn’t leave Josh in too long in games or funnel TDs his way to prove he’s the MVP.  They just played bills football and kept winning.

 

The Ravens have seemingly always listened to the national media WAY too much and in turn let it dictate their play.  Lamar was throwing in the 4th quarter of blowouts to prove he was worthy of an MVP.  The last two times the Ravens were eliminated from the playoffs they came into the game with the top rushing attack in the league and then put the ball in Lamar’s hands to prove he was an elite passer.  If the Ravens just stuck to their running game last year they likely would have beaten the Chiefs.  And if they just kept using Henry & Hill against the Bills I hate to say it but they probably win.

 

But the Ravens want to prove he’s that guy.  So they abandon their strength during the biggest times in the biggest spots to prove a point.

 

Meanwhile every year Mahomes throws for relatively average numbers and strolls his way into a Super Bowl every year with those numbers.  While the national media questions if Burrow is the new goat, or Allen, or Lamar…the WHOLE time Mahomes is casually posting pedestrian numbers and winning SBs.  While everyone else tries to prove their worth he adds to his trophy case.

 

The Bills have seemingly adopted this approach and I think it’s what gets us to take the next step this year.

[C.Biscuit97]

Besides being a rival, it was always idiotic to hate on Lamar. The MVP conversations has melted down fans’ brains. The best part is Lamar and Allen care so much less than fans. It’s kinda weird how much some people care about another man winning an individual award. 

[GaryPinC]

On 1/21/2025 at 7:46 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I think Lamar is overrated in the sense that he’s not on the level of the big 3 (Allen, Burrow, Mahomes.) He is right on the fringes though and well worth the money they paid him which was very controversial at the time. I don’t think he will be playing at a high level into his mid-late 30s like the current top guys. He’s just too overly reliant on his athleticism. Allen can run it with the best of them and it certainly opens things up, but he’s more reliant on power than pure speed, and he can do things w his arm that no one else can. His athleticism was a complete afterthought during the draft process. Lamar needs an offense tailored to his skill set whereas Allen will thrive in pretty much any system. I am 100% positive all 32 GMs would take Josh over Lamar 

Two years ago I  would have agreed with you, but Lamar has really improved his vision and passing since then.  He's drastically improved his decision making.  Him and Josh have taken those final steps to being complete QB's and both will strive for continuing improvement.

 

We're really privileged to have 3-4 great quarterbacks squaring off against each other in the AFC (my fourth is Burrow).  Epic playoff games now and in the coming years!

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

Two years ago I  would have agreed with you, but Lamar has really improved his vision and passing since then.  He's drastically improved his decision making.  Him and Josh have taken those final steps to being complete QB's and both will strive for continuing improvement.

 

We're really privileged to have 3-4 great quarterbacks squaring off against each other in the AFC (my fourth is Burrow).  Epic playoff games now and in the coming years!

Lamar through 2023 was a great talent lacking some recognition and target selection.  Lamar 2024 was complete.  He’s really on that elite level IMO.  I think Burrow is behind the other 3 because he is a bit of a douche and because of injury concerns, but that’s just me.  He isn’t a throwaway that’s for sure.  There are some other guys like Daniels that are too young to judge whether they can sustain but sure look promising.  The sand is running through Herbert and Lawrence’s hourglasses.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lamar through 2023 was a great talent lacking some recognition and target selection.  Lamar 2024 was complete.  He’s really on that elite level IMO.  I think Burrow is behind the other 3 because he is a bit of a douche and because of injury concerns, but that’s just me.  He isn’t a throwaway that’s for sure.  There are some other guys like Daniels that are too young to judge whether they can sustain but sure look promising.  The sand is running through Herbert and Lawrence’s hourglasses.

We're in the golden age of quarterbacking. 

[WideNine]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Besides being a rival, it was always idiotic to hate on Lamar. The MVP conversations has melted down fans’ brains. The best part is Lamar and Allen care so much less than fans. It’s kinda weird how much some people care about another man winning an individual award. 

 

This.

 

Lamar is a great QB and had a great season full stop.

 

I am certain that both he and Allen would rather hoist the Lombardi than win some MVP award.

 

Seems too much like an empty consolation prize and media popularity thing than anything meaningful.

 

 

 

 

[UKBillFan]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Besides being a rival, it was always idiotic to hate on Lamar. The MVP conversations has melted down fans’ brains. The best part is Lamar and Allen care so much less than fans. It’s kinda weird how much some people care about another man winning an individual award. 

 

I think it's less hate on Lamar and how he seems to be treated differently to Josh. Excuses made, less criticism, criteria changes for MVP etc. It's on the media rather than Lamar as a QB.

[GaryPinC]

6 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think it's less hate on Lamar and how he seems to be treated differently to Josh. Excuses made, less criticism, criteria changes for MVP etc. It's on the media rather than Lamar as a QB.

I think Josh is/was treated differently because before last year, in his quest to be Superman, he made a lot of dumb plays alongside the great ones.  Forcing the ball into coverage rather than a wide open underneath route, sacrificing his body to pick up yards on a second down run in the middle of a routine game.

 

Critics are going to be harder on Josh making mistakes  playing the game the wrong way vs Lamar's mistakes while playing the game the right way.  

Especially as everyone could see the greatness in Josh.

 

As Josh's changes prove permanent over time the critics are coming around and will continue to.

[machine gun kelly]

On 1/19/2025 at 9:47 PM, Saint Doug said:

He definitely not a sore loser. Had a huge smile on when he embraced Josh at the end of the game. Good for him. 

I thought he showed real class telling Josh to get hardware (both the SB and MVP).  I can only hope Josh would say something similar to Lamar of the roles were reversed.

[Scott7975]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:08 AM, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I, a frequent Josh defender, thought Josh played pretty meh and he WON the game lol. I would be livid if he did what Lamar did and wishing he played more like Josh 😂

 

Brady/mcd are taking some heat that Josh deserves imo.  That missed throw to Kincaid and the TE screen audible killed half our drives in the second half but I keep reading the coaching staff neutered him or something…can’t really understand it 
 

hes the best player in the league imo but he wasn’t great in this one,didn’t actively hurt the team but didn’t help a ton either.  I do think he pulls off the late fg drive to win it if he had to though.  
 

Lamar actively hurt his team.  Fluky bad snap fumble?  He was dancing around before securing the football trying to make a play happen… that was 1000% on him.  Had a pass tipped on a huge 2 point conversion, got stuffed in a goal to go situation.  He also basically threw another deep ball right at a safety and got away with it because Hamlin misjudged it so bad on top of all the other stuff…I probably could’ve jumped down from the 300 level and caught that pick while the ball was in the air 😂. not sure what Hamlin was doing on that one…looked like he was standing still lining up the pick then it went right over his head at the last second 

 

The TE screen audible was the right call. It was executed poorly.