A good breakdown showing Dawson Knox’s value to the Bills

[BuffaloBill]

Some Bills fans are down on Knox because he does not show big time receiving stats. He delivers value to the Bills in other ways. He and Kincaid are a nice set of bookends for the Bills.

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

He played more than Kincaid last week and I have thought for sometime he is the better overall guy who is a true te.    Kincaid has just been ok, not what his draft status was …yet. He is the guy the pitchforks should be pointed at. 

[Shortchaz]

Bills fans are down on Knox because of his salary and history of drops. 

Edited Sunday at 11:57 AM by Shortchaz

[Billzgobowlin]

I see value in DK squared.  Dalton has some great hands and can outrun coverage if we utilize him correct.  Dawson makes the tough catches (annoyingly misses the easy ones) and battles for extra yardage but lots of drops makes it frustrating.  

3 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Bills fans are down on Knox because of his salary. 

And he doesn't catch the easy pass...  Love the dude because when he catches the ball he is a dawg

[GunnerBill]

He was outstanding last week. I gave him a game ball. Not only is he a beast of a run game blocker for us.... he gets open better than Kincaid. He definitely doesn't run better routes so it is kind of hard to rely on it but he just consistently gets more separation even if its all a bit improvised. The Bills need to be willing to use him more in the pass game IMO. The early big play last week was a schemed shot for him. Think Brady needs to make sure he has 1 or 2 of those tonight too and for as far as we go in this post season.

[colin]

Kinkaid has had an awful sophomore slump.  I think he's not be healthy most of the year.

 

He's got to get the magic back he had his rookie year, and hopefully today.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, colin said:

Kinkaid has had an awful sophomore slump.  I think he's not be healthy most of the year.

 

He's got to get the magic back he had his rookie year, and hopefully today.

Kincaid has hardly been awful…you may have noticed that, for a multitude of reasons, none of the Bills’ receivers has had a statistically impressive year…it’s a hard position to learn in the NFL

[NewEra]

I’m not down on him.  I just think we pay him a lot of money to do the work of the best TE2 in the league.  He is the best imo. 

[QB Bills]

He's always been better than Kincaid. Criminally underappreciated by the fanbase. In addition to his blocking skills, he's made a number of incredible catches in his time here.

[Don Otreply]

Fans that think poorly of Knox are seriously confused, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Man with No Name]

I don't think anybody's really down on him this year. He's overpaid, but he's playing the best ball he's played in a long time. We are using him in the role he is best suited for right now. 

 

I don't pay attention, but what's the $$ value of a really awesome 2nd tight end whose main job is to block, but also makes some big catches the few times he's called upon? 

I would guess it's somewhere around half of what he's making. 

I don't know how it works, but if we can push a chunk of his money for 25 and 26 to his void years in 27 and 28, his contract will turn out to be fair. They fixed it decently for this year. But 25 and 26 he has A LOT of money coming his way. 

 

https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

He played more than Kincaid last week and I have thought for sometime he is the better overall guy who is a true te.    Kincaid has just been ok, not what his draft status was …yet. He is the guy the pitchforks should be pointed at. 

 

Talking about pitchforks on the day of the divisional round game?

 

[vanhalen26]

I haven’t looked at stats but from just watching it seems like Knox’s hands have improved and he’s more reliable now when he’s thrown to.  Seemed like a lot more drops early in his career.

 

I think Kincaid is decent, but didn’t live up to the expectations vs where he was drafted.  It might be a bit redundant having both of them once Kincaid starts costing more $.  

[Doc]

He looks like a guy who gets complacent when an easy pass is incoming and looks for his next move before securing the ball.  When he needs to adjust to the ball, he focuses and almost always snags it.

 

As for Kincaid, yeah, very disappointed in him so far.  Hopefully he puts it together year 3.

[Yobogoya!]

28 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

He's always been better than Kincaid. Criminally underappreciated by the fanbase. In addition to his blocking skills, he's made a number of incredible catches in his time here.

 

I don't think that's completely fair -- most of the fanbase was super high on him year 1 into year 2, but during the sophomore stretch and into the draft where they took Kincaid, he put together a fairly lengthy highlight reel of drops and letdowns. He definitely earned the "stone hands" type of reputation.

 

But I agree that he probably does take a fair bit more grief than he deserves, and is definitely a more complete tight end at this point than Kindcaid is. And when the catch is tough and you least expect him to make it, he pulls it in and can really impress you. When he goes full "Juggerknox" -- look out!

[NoSaint]

40 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Fans that think poorly of Knox are seriously confused, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

I think it’s all a bit relative…  by giving him 10M a year you set an expectation. Especially on a team that’s paying qb already. 

 

If looking for an offensive role player that’s not a boundary WR…. would you rather Dawson Knox, at TE2 or a premiere RB? Say Henry or perhaps a very real choice between Knox and cook? 

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think it’s all a bit relative…  by giving him 10M a year you set an expectation. Especially on a team that’s paying qb already. 

 

If looking for an offensive role player that’s not a boundary WR…. would you rather Dawson Knox, at TE2 or a premiere RB? Say Henry or perhaps a very real choice between Knox and cook? 

Fan expectations and the teams assigned roles are two very different things, and fans seem to lose track of those differences with regularity, 

[NoSaint]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

Fan expectations and the teams assigned roles are two very different things, and fans seem to lose track of those differences with regularity, 

definitely considerations…. 
 

but also I think if beane could have hindsight he might pause on whether he’d sign that deal based on the role Knox fills. I don’t think he’d argue it is tremendous value for constructing a full 53, even if he thinks he’s a good player 

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

definitely considerations…. 
 

but also I think if beane could have hindsight he might pause on whether he’d sign that deal based on the role Knox fills. I don’t think he’d argue it is tremendous value for constructing a full 53, even if he thinks he’s a good player 

I’m suspecting that the OC has a lot to do with who is used and when, the Bills haven’t been a TE centric team, frankly ever, just a different scheme than say how KC has used TEs, 

[Brand J]

Moral of the story: don’t trade up for a TE (or S, LB, G, or C) in round 1. Prior to this year, RB was also itching to be on that list, but Barkley and Henry are showing their value on strong teams. I wouldn’t trade up for any position unless it’s a QB, but that’s just me. It’s proven time and time again it’s not where you select a player, it’s who.