1/18 Texans @ Chiefs divisional playoff thread

[SaulGoodman]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’ve never seen anyone mention iffy calls from other teams?  Only KC?  😂 put down the egocentric glasses and fire up your crack pipe.  
 

yes- you’ve mentioned it all before.  And then, like clockwork, the chiefs are beneficiaries of lame calls and everyone on earth agrees- except chiefs fans.  Then we can watch you waste your minutes on earth telling everyone that KC gets crewed by the refs more than any other team.  Again, like clockwork.

 

 

Who’s denying that KC benefits from questionable calls now and then? Definitely not me. But you realize that an iffy call here and there isn’t proof of a conspiracy, right?

 

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

millions of people watch. The WWE.  There are more WWE fans on earth than chiefs fans

 

Yep. How many of them rage about it being scripted, but keep coming back? Lol.
 

[Beast]

 

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Who’s denying that KC benefits from questionable calls now and then? Definitely not me. But you realize that an iffy call here and there isn’t proof of a conspiracy, right?

 

Yep. How many of them rage about it being scripted, but keep coming back? Lol.
 

“Here and there”-  we certainly have different opinions of what that means.

45 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

 

Yep. How many of them rage about it being scripted, but keep coming back? Lol.
 

If you can’t see the difference- I can’t help ya.  But I already knew that

Edited 3 hours ago by NewEra

[Beck Water]

If this wasn't upthread it oughtta be

 

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[Beck Water]

 

[stevewin]

The Anderson bit was the stupidest waste of time I ever saw on network TV - his whole argument for both was predicated on hits to the head that did not happen.  Wasn't even vaguely trying to hide the fact he was there just to make excuses for the shield

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Totally disagree on the Toney thing. That play led to numerous viral screenshots of players around the league doing the same with no call. It happens all the time. Toney himself had been lining up the same way all game and they chose to only call that one. First offense offside of Reid’s 30ish year career. 
 

 

The reason it isn't normally a flag is because the refs warn the coach, warn the player and only then do they call a flag. Reid and Toney were both warned. It was a penalty. 100% correct flag.

[SaulGoodman]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The reason it isn't normally a flag is because the refs warn the coach, warn the player and only then do they call a flag. Reid and Toney were both warned. It was a penalty. 100% correct flag.

No, they weren’t warned. Reid specifically mentioned that.

 

"Very disappointed that it ended the way it did," Reid said. "Normally I'll get -- I never use any of this as excuses, but normally I get a warning before something like that happens in a big game. (It's) a bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place…

"I've been in the league a long time and I haven't had one like that. So, not where, at least in that kind of position there where it is not given a heads up to."

 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

No, they weren’t warned. Reid specifically mentioned that.

 

"Very disappointed that it ended the way it did," Reid said. "Normally I'll get -- I never use any of this as excuses, but normally I get a warning before something like that happens in a big game. (It's) a bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place…

"I've been in the league a long time and I haven't had one like that. So, not where, at least in that kind of position there where it is not given a heads up to."

 

 

Yea the refs were adament that they had warned him. I am not sure Reid is being honest

 

[SaulGoodman]

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“Here and there”-  we certainly have different opinions of what that means.

 

Of course, and it’s not hard to fathom why. Difference is, I have facts to support my takes. The other side can only point to the occasional call or missed call, which can be done for any team. But the microscope isn’t pointed toward other teams, is it?

 

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If you can’t see the difference- I can’t help ya.  But I already knew that

Um…if one literally thought that NFL games were scripted and rigged, and it enraged them to the point of continual blowups…why would that person continue to religiously support and fork over money for a “fake” and illegitimate product? That’s no different than following WWE. Actually worse, because people only follow WWE for the entertainment value of goofy promotions and trash talk.

[FireChans]

Two things can be very true.

 

The Chiefs can be beneficiaries of bad calls close to the tops of the league, particularly in high exposure or high leverage games.

 

Fans that hate the Chiefs hyperfixate on those calls because they hate the Chiefs.

 

The Pats used to get a bunch of garbage calls with Brady and co too. It’s the way the league operates. Reputation influences the refs like everyone else. It’s why Sauce Gardener getting a rep of being a shut down corner led to refs sticking their flags in their pockets early and often. It’s why Jerry Hughes would get flagged for celebrating with his team mates or whatever BS they could drum up. It’s why Josh and Mahomes get flags when they get looked at funny.

 

I don’t blame the Chiefs for trying to get calls. I hate them for it because they are a rival team but I don’t blame them. And I love when Josh does it because it does affect the game.

 

If the Bills get out of this weekend, the Chiefs game next week will be pretty fairly called imo, because we have a team with a closer perception to KC than any other in the league. The Texans don’t.

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

It's outrageous,  Hou was the better team,  the refs literally assisted to KC points and took points off the board for Hou

 

Well let's not go too far. Some of the calls were outrageous, that is for sure and it's bad look for the NFL. But Houston was not the better team. Their pass protection sucked, their pass catchers sucked, their coaching sucked, and as the game went along Stroud started to panic and make poor decisions (although I don't blame him given the circumstances). I think it's fair to say bad officiating added a few points to the board for KC and that's not right... But Houston was responsible for their own failures on offense, which started with poor decisions their front office made in the offseason. KC was winning this game no matter what.

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

Taylor’s been targeted relentlessly since he joined KC. Far more so than in Jax. Which is a great example of how biased perceptions influence these narratives. Nobody talked about Taylor’s habits whatsoever until he joined the Chiefs. Somehow, a player getting targeted immediately after joining a new team became evidence that said team was favored by officials. 

 

Nobody SAW Taylor's habit until he joined the Chiefs. "Targeted immediately" are you kidding? He might lead all tackles in penalties, but as a percentage called versus penalties actually committed I'd bet he's one of the lowest in the league, considering his daily double of illegal formation and false start on most passing downs.

[ColoradoBills]

13 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

So why is it that the Bills seem to get the late/important calls vs KC?
 

 

Dude, every team benefits from some bad call by the officials.

It's the frequency that has been in the Chiefs pockets the last few years.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well let's not go too far. Some of the calls were outrageous, that is for sure and it's bad look for the NFL. But Houston was not the better team. Their pass protection sucked, their pass catchers sucked, their coaching sucked, and as the game went along Stroud started to panic and make poor decisions (although I don't blame him given the circumstances). I think it's fair to say bad officiating added a few points to the board for KC and that's not right... But Houston was responsible for their own failures on offense, which started with poor decisions their front office made in the offseason. KC was winning this game no matter what.

If I had to do a "blame pie" Stroud gets the majority imo.

 

He had next to zero pocket presence or urgency after that great 3rd Q drive.  Every drive, he was patting the ball waiting and waiting. Now maybe Spags had everyone locked up down field all game, but I doubt it. And the coaches should have adjusted to help him out when he was getting killed drive after drive.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Nobody SAW Taylor's habit until he joined the Chiefs. "Targeted immediately" are you kidding? He might lead all tackles in penalties, but as a percentage called versus penalties actually committed I'd bet he's one of the lowest in the league, considering his daily double of illegal formation and false start on most passing downs.

 

He lines up illegally on almost every play. 

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He had next to zero pocket presence or urgency after that great 3rd Q drive.  Every drive, he was patting the ball waiting and waiting. Now maybe Spags had everyone locked up down field all game, but I doubt it.

 

I don't know, I try to be fair to QBs. Maybe with Stroud I shouldn't be after his foolish podcast apearances, maybe I should judge him like the "top 5 QB" he's proclaimed himself as. But realistically we're all so spoiled by watching Allen, Jackson, and Mahomes, it's hard to remember that normal QBs need a lot of help around them to avoid negative plays. Even Allen or Mahomes playing with that mess of a supporting cast yesterday wouldn't have looked too pretty.

 

And I wouldn't doubt Spags had the entire pass catching unit locked down. It's not that hard to double Nico Collins and force Stroud to throw to some guy named Jared Wayne while getting blasted on every other play. At a certain point in the game Stroud was just trying to make something, anything, happen and I can't fault him for that too much.

[SaulGoodman]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Nobody SAW Taylor's habit until he joined the Chiefs. "Targeted immediately" are you kidding? He might lead all tackles in penalties, but as a percentage called versus penalties actually committed I'd bet he's one of the lowest in the league, considering his daily double of illegal formation and false start on most passing downs.

Again, he’s been penalized MUCH more than in Jacksonville, and it started immediately after he joined the Chiefs. Somehow, in haters’ minds, an immediate dramatic increase in penalty rate indicates favoritism for KC. Please make it make sense. 
 

Your own Dion Dawkins is known for the same kick step. Let me guess…he never gets away with a penalty? Or just 80% less than Taylor? And you know this because you study every snap of both payers. 
 

If we’re being honest, we all know there are numerous penalties that go uncalled in every.single.game. Technically there’s holding on almost every snap. To expect imperfect/inconsistent refs to be perfect when officiating KC is ridiculous. 

We also know that armchair refs aren’t as knowledgeable about rules as trained officials and rules experts. 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

Again, he’s been penalized MUCH more than in Jacksonville, and it started immediately after he joined the Chiefs. Somehow, in haters’ minds, an immediate dramatic increase in penalty rate indicates favoritism for KC. Please make it make sense. 
 

Your own Dion Dawkins is known for the same kick step. Let me guess…he never gets away with a penalty? Or just 80% less than Taylor? And you know this because you study every snap of both payers. 
 

If we’re being honest, we all know there are numerous penalties that go uncalled in every.single.game. Technically there’s holding on almost every snap. To expect imperfect/inconsistent refs to be perfect when officiating KC is ridiculous. 

We also know that armchair refs aren’t as knowledgeable about rules as trained officials and rules experts. 

 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

Totally disagree on the Toney thing. That play led to numerous viral screenshots of players around the league doing the same with no call. It happens all the time. Toney himself had been lining up the same way all game and they chose to only call that one. First offense offside of Reid’s 30ish year career. 

 

This is loser stuff. Your team has won three championships. Be a better fan than this.