1/18 Texans @ Chiefs divisional playoff thread

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

I think refs aren’t perfect and a few iffy calls went KC’s way. I’ve seen a lot of iffy calls go the other way over the years, but no one ever seems to mention those for some reason. 
 

I’ve mentioned this before, but Mahomes has far more TDs erased by penalty than any other QB since he’s been in the league. KC was the only team to have a TD negated by penalty last postseason and it happened twice. KC’s been among the most-penalized teams in the league in the Mahomes era, and they’re nearly always near the top in the most critical penalties (offensive holding, DPI, etc). And an ESPN writer found that the team with the most late/close-game flags this year was KC. 
 

The facts don’t support the conspiracy theory. Every team gets iffy calls/no-calls. Every one. 
 

If people think the league is literally scripted…..why even watch? I sure as hell won’t watch WWE. 

He also has far more interceptions called back by penalty than anyone else in the league by a WIDE margin. If everyone on here is honest, we all know Josh has benefited from some iffy roughing the passer penalties over the years, but to think that KC hadn’t benefited as much if not more than any other team over the past several years is disingenuous. Going back as far as the AFC championship game between the 2, you could pick almost every passing play by the Bills and defensive holding could’ve been called on the Chiefs. The offensive Offside was so egregious they HAD to make that call against Toney

[jcamm1966]

Can't even complain about refs anymore, Bills know the script , stay up 2 scores and burn clock

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

I was watching The Drive on YouTube a while ago and that is the kind of thing I think of when I think about playoff football. A muddy field, no frills stadium, players covered in sh*t, going the length of the field in 2 minutes being a truly monumental act.

 

My memory isn't as good as it used to be but I don't remember this part.

 

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

It's outrageous,  Hou was the better team,  the refs literally assisted to KC points and took points off the board for Hou

 

Houston was definitely not the better team.

 

2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

it's not over. whichever team goes there next week will succumb to the same results. if folks can't see the obvious script going on and has been going on all season, one loss?

 

divisional round with two clearly blatant  personal foul calls as well as missed calls to benefit the ***** mahomes and his team?

 

yeah, those who don't see it are either blind or kc ball washers.

 

So the Bills are going to lose at Arrowhead next week because of the NFL's agenda?

 

[Returntoglory]

Simply pathetic performance by the Refs in the KC game yesterday. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

Whether it was sacks, or penalties, or just lost yardage on run plays the Texans had way too many negative yardage plays on offense.

Preferential treatment for Mahomes and the Chefs from the officials aside, I think that's why they lost as the defense played well enough most of the game.

Edited 3 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills

[CincyBillsFan]

10 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

So why is it that the Bills seem to get the late/important calls vs KC?
 

Can you provide examples?

 

 

3 hours ago, Coastie said:

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if somehow the Chiefs get a terrible call against them next week. Not because someone is making a conscious decision to "script" it that way but because the humans that referees the game have to hear this stuff and maybe, just maybe, those 50/50 calls don't go the "face of the league's" way by default.

It is not in the NFL's interest that the vast majority of its fans think the refs are biased in the Chiefs favor.  This will be a discussion point between the ref crew working next weeks game and NFL management.  In a game that Texas was dominating two bad roughing calls kept KC drives alive leading directly to 10 points.  In a sport where the perception of a level playing field, where incompetent officiating is supposed to cancel out, the league can not afford many more of these KC officiated games.

 

 

[st pete gogolak]

So the most handsy defensive backfield in the NFL goes another playoff game with zero DPI, illegal contact or defensive holding calls.  (Sorry if I missed anything.). I’m curious how many times they’ve been called for any of those penalties during their current run.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

10 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

If people think the league is literally scripted…..why even watch? I sure as hell won’t watch WWE. 

if kc wins the sb, you can call it or see it anyway you want. I certainly don't compare it to the lowly WWE. the $ vegas and the nfl generate makes the WWE look like a flea circus for two bits a show.

 

I have been a fan far too long to not see what the hell is going on. just go out there and read it for yourself. look, like I said, call it what you want but if kc gets the 3 peat then yes, I damn sure believe it could be scripted. if whoever wins tonight's game, both with the ability to beat their ass in arrowhead, especially a healthy bills team, and lose because of poor officiating/bad calls like were called against the texans D yesterday. two personal foul calls  for clearly non contact (as shown in replay) to the head and the 2nd one he was trying to elude and became a runner, you can't TACKLE him?

 

even old redeye aikman sounded off about the calls.

 

I believe, the texans, who gave the bills one of their 4 losses, had been healthy and had all their starters on offense it would of given them a better chance. stout enough defense but they were not to touch patty and penalized 30 yards doing so. hard to beat a good team as it is but when favored calls go their way as well. you usually lose. wait, usually. against the chiefs, you lose.

 

I get it, missed fg and xp at the end of the 3rd did not help their chances but they were able to keep it close until the 4th when the other personal foul against them as well as a missed Offside on the chiefs on the punt. which had that been called it would of given the texans a first down and another shot?

 

if kc doesn't make it or if somehow by the grace of the nfl refs they do make it and lose, I'll accept that I looked like a damn fool, no scripted 3 peat. if they go on to win it all, no one will convince me otherwise that it wasn't a scripted nfl fairytale with the frog, princess and prince all crowned as the nfl's only team to win 3 straight sb's.

 

 

[90sBills]

It’s really simple. People hate seeing KC win. It has gotten to the point that any calls they get, justified or not, would be viewed as some grand conspiracy.

[Billl]

The NFL wants it this way, or at worst they don’t care.  This way, there is one champion and 31 fan bases who think their team deserves to be the champs if it weren’t for them getting screwed.  It’s pretty pathetic.  You’ve got a team that managed 12 points, missed 3 kicks, allowed 8 sacks, and completely crumbled under the pressure and people are saying they deserved to win a game they lost by 2 scores.

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

He also has far more interceptions called back by penalty than anyone else in the league by a WIDE margin. If everyone on here is honest, we all know Josh has benefited from some iffy roughing the passer penalties over the years, but to think that KC hadn’t benefited as much if not more than any other team over the past several years is disingenuous. Going back as far as the AFC championship game between the 2, you could pick almost every passing play by the Bills and defensive holding could’ve been called on the Chiefs. The offensive Offside was so egregious they HAD to make that call against Toney

 

Totally disagree on the Toney thing. That play led to numerous viral screenshots of players around the league doing the same with no call. It happens all the time. Toney himself had been lining up the same way all game and they chose to only call that one. First offense offside of Reid’s 30ish year career. 

Every time Mahomes sees a flag for Offside, he treats it as a free play and throws it up for grabs. Do people think the refs are psychic and throw the flag knowing an INT is coming?

 

Chris Jones is held constantly and it’s rarely called. Taylor’s been targeted relentlessly since he joined KC. Far more so than in Jax. Which is a great example of how biased perceptions influence these narratives. Nobody talked about Taylor’s habits whatsoever until he joined the Chiefs. Somehow, a player getting targeted immediately after joining a new team became evidence that said team was favored by officials. 
 

KC was absolutely hosed by officiating in two huge games (2020 SB and 2018 AFCC). Both of which ruined otherwise amazing seasons. So I don’t think KC fans need to feel guilty if a few iffy calls go their way, especially against a Texans team they’d have beaten anyway.

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

The NFL wants it this way, or at worst they don’t care.  This way, there is one champion and 31 fan bases who think their team deserves to be the champs if it weren’t for them getting screwed.  It’s pretty pathetic.  You’ve got a team that managed 12 points, missed 3 kicks, allowed 8 sacks, and completely crumbled under the pressure and people are saying they deserved to win a game they lost by 2 scores.

I am not saying Houston would have won if the officating was "equal" for both sides. (we will never know lol)

 

But objectively they got screwed.

 

-Roughing the passer call- Resulted in 3 points

-Missed field goal that was clearly offside- potential 3 points.

 

Not too mention the other BS roughing call on Mahomes, not calling false starts on Taylor. 

 

The list goes on, and it was an embarassing performance from the refs.

[SaulGoodman]

17 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

It’s really simple. People hate seeing KC win. It has gotten to the point that any calls they get, justified or not, would be viewed as some grand conspiracy.

Yep. And what really pisses people off about this is that they thought they were finally done with a team dominating the NFL (NE), then another team immediately replaced them.
 

I get it. But KC fans were very loyal and supportive through decades of heartbreak and frustration. To hear people talk incessantly about “Chiefs fatigue” after they finally broke through for a 5-6 year stretch is kinda annoying. Just like it would be to Bills fans if everybody were whining about Bills fatigue after they finally broke through and won a few SBs. 

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Totally disagree on the Toney thing. That play led to numerous viral screenshots of players around the league doing the same with no call. It happens all the time. Toney himself had been lining up the same way all game and they chose to only call that one. First offense offside of Reid’s 30ish year career. 

Every time Mahomes sees a flag for Offside, he treats it as a free play and throws it up for grabs. Do people think the refs are psychic and throw the flag knowing an INT is coming?

 

Chris Jones is held constantly and it’s rarely called. Taylor’s been targeted relentlessly since he joined KC. Far more so than in Jax. Which is a great example of how biased perceptions influence these narratives. Nobody talked about Taylor’s habits whatsoever until he joined the Chiefs. Somehow, a player getting targeted immediately after joining a new team became evidence that said team was favored by officials. 
 

KC was absolutely hosed by officiating in two huge games (2020 SB and 2018 AFCC). Both of which ruined otherwise amazing seasons. So I don’t think KC fans need to feel guilty if a few iffy calls go their way, especially against a Texans team they’d have beaten anyway.

So do you agree or disagree he lined up Offside? Should it be called more? That’s a different debate, but did he or did he not line up Offside? 
 

Your argument in regards to Mahomes doesn’t hold any water. Are refs psychic when he throws a touchdown on plays that are flagged against his team? You can’t use the same logic for your argument and then also use it against your logic.

 

People did call out Jawan Taylor while he was in Jacksonville, but he played in Jacksonville so it didn’t get as much publicity. And again, Taylor starts early on many occasions every game, he should be called for those false starts! Honestly as far as Jones is concerned, I don’t pay enough attention to know what you’re saying is true. As a Bills fan though, we watched for years as Jerry Hughes would get held multiple times every game and not get the call, so even if it is true you’re not going g to get sympathy for that on a Bills discussion board. 

 

You're trying to justify things that you yourself know are penalties. 

[muppy]

[muppy]

I am not happy with blatant missed calls and bad ones. Everyone agrees with that.

 

the rub is is there even a way to fix it?  And under what circumstances and when.

 

It's a mind **** I wish I had an answer. The thing is I myself will watch because Im NFL addicted.

 

so that is why I am so frustrated. My options basically are continue to watch and deal with the injustice. Or turn it off.

 

I'd need a replacement like maybe follow college only. Yeah I dunno

 

The fact I would even consider leaving the NFL speaks volumes of mine and other peoples frustration.

 

we are tired of it it is #######

 

 

[SaulGoodman]

38 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

if kc wins the sb, you can call it or see it anyway you want. I certainly don't compare it to the lowly WWE. the $ vegas and the nfl generate makes the WWE look like a flea circus for two bits a show.

 

I have been a fan far too long to not see what the hell is going on. just go out there and read it for yourself. look, like I said, call it what you want but if kc gets the 3 peat then yes, I damn sure believe it could be scripted. if whoever wins tonight's game, both with the ability to beat their ass in arrowhead, especially a healthy bills team, and lose because of poor officiating/bad calls like were called against the texans D yesterday. two personal foul calls  for clearly non contact (as shown in replay) to the head and the 2nd one he was trying to elude and became a runner, you can't TACKLE him?

 

even old redeye aikman sounded off about the calls.

 

I believe, the texans, who gave the bills one of their 4 losses, had been healthy and had all their starters on offense it would of given them a better chance. stout enough defense but they were not to touch patty and penalized 30 yards doing so. hard to beat a good team as it is but when favored calls go their way as well. you usually lose. wait, usually. against the chiefs, you lose.

 

I get it, missed fg and xp at the end of the 3rd did not help their chances but they were able to keep it close until the 4th when the other personal foul against them as well as a missed Offside on the chiefs on the punt. which had that been called it would of given the texans a first down and another shot?

 

if kc doesn't make it or if somehow by the grace of the nfl refs they do make it and lose, I'll accept that I looked like a damn fool, no scripted 3 peat. if they go on to win it all, no one will convince me otherwise that it wasn't a scripted nfl fairytale with the frog, princess and prince all crowned as the nfl's only team to win 3 straight sb's.

 

 

The “record with such and such officials” stuff is silly. He has a great record with pretty much any ref.

 

I think it’s ridiculous to claim that if a b2b champ and winners of 22 of the last 23 (not including the game in which starters sat) wins again, it’s proof of a fix. But people need a reason to justify their KC hate and they found one. Is what it is. 
 

Of course, when questionable or game-changing calls go their team’s way, those calls were obvious and correct and “nothing to see here.”

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

I think refs aren’t perfect and a few iffy calls went KC’s way. I’ve seen a lot of iffy calls go the other way over the years, but no one ever seems to mention those for some reason. 
 

I’ve mentioned this before, but Mahomes has far more TDs erased by penalty than any other QB since he’s been in the league. KC was the only team to have a TD negated by penalty last postseason and it happened twice. KC’s been among the most-penalized teams in the league in the Mahomes era, and they’re nearly always near the top in the most critical penalties (offensive holding, DPI, etc). And an ESPN writer found that the team with the most late/close-game flags this year was KC. 
 

The facts don’t support the conspiracy theory. Every team gets iffy calls/no-calls. Every one. 
 

If people think the league is literally scripted…..why even watch? I sure as hell won’t watch WWE. 

You’ve never seen anyone mention iffy calls from other teams?  Only KC?  😂 put down the egocentric glasses and fire up your crack pipe.  
 

yes- you’ve mentioned it all before.  And then, like clockwork, the chiefs are beneficiaries of lame calls and everyone on earth agrees- except chiefs fans.  Then we can watch you waste your minutes on earth telling everyone that KC gets crewed by the refs more than any other team.  Again, like clockwork.

millions of people watch. The WWE.  There are more WWE fans on earth than chiefs fans

 

Edited 2 hours ago by NewEra

[SaulGoodman]

18 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So do you agree or disagree he lined up Offside? Should it be called more? That’s a different debate, but did he or did he not line up Offside? 
 

 

So we’re only talking about alleged bad calls? Then why did people freak out in 22 after a late hit two yds out of bounds and a defensive hold in which the defender grabbed a handful of jersey? Which was defended by rules experts. 
 

Aside from a few iffy personal fouls yesterday (which led to a grand total of three points), what are all the blatantly bad calls that have helped KC in big games?

 

 

18 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

 

Your argument in regards to Mahomes doesn’t hold any water. Are refs psychic when he throws a touchdown on plays that are flagged against his team? You can’t use the same logic for your argument and then also use it against your logic.

 

I’m not the one claiming conspiracy. I’m saying that plenty of impactful calls go against KC. 

 

18 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

 

People did call out Jawan Taylor while he was in Jacksonville, but he played in Jacksonville so it didn’t get as much publicity. And again, Taylor starts early on many occasions every game, he should be called for those false starts! Honestly as far as Jones is concerned, I don’t pay enough attention to know what you’re saying is true. As a Bills fan though, we watched for years as Jerry Hughes would get held multiple times every game and not get the call, so even if it is true you’re not going g to get sympathy for that on a Bills discussion board. 

 

I’m not looking for sympathy. But you’re kind of helping to prove my point. Every team can complain about calls/no-calls. Was there a conspiracy to help every team that held Jerry Hughes? No, just KC. 
 

There are questionable or missed calls in every single NFL game, and everyone knows this. But if KC benefits from a call, there’s an undeniable conspiracy. 
 

Come on, people. 

[SCBills]

11 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

So why is it that the Bills seem to get the late/important calls vs KC?
 

Fwiw, I don’t think the Chiefs will get calls like that if we play them next weekend. 
 

But I don’t think for one second that the NFL wanted the Texans in the AFC CG, when they’re staring down the barrel of Allen or Jackson trying to dethrone Mahomes.